The Bandersnatch are large and intelligent.
Barron Trump has been able to vote for over two years as he just turned
20. We are able to vote at age 18 in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barron_Trump
Lynn
Trump's claims about fentanyl coming from Canada are a simple lie. The >cited amount is the total seized by the Northern Border force, with
Trump and his stooges claiming that all such seizures come from Canada.
But this is utterly false. The largest single seizure, made in Spokane,
has been traced back as far as Arizona. Only a tiny fraction of the
total claimed is believed to have come from Canada.
It's a good lie because simpletons look at that word "Border" and assume
the force is actually at the border. In fact they operate in about a
third of the country.
It's also worth noting that a fentanyl pill sells for about ten times
more in Vancouver than it does in Washington. There's simply no
incentive to ship it south.
William Hyde
US.)
On 2026-05-07, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
Barring tearing up the Constitution how do you get Trump in 2028?
Should any GOP supporter actually WANT
that? Donald Trump was born in June 1946 and
thus would be 82 years old at the end of the
present term. Even were it constitutionally
possible, would you really want an 86 year
old in the White House? At what point does his
health become a factor?
That was an irrelevant question to TDS'ers
when Biden was sounding 100 at 70....
There are of course more ways to kill people than firearms ...
But firearms are the main source of the problem.
Which problem are you talking about ? Homicides or suicides ?
Take away firearms, never gonna happen, and almost the same number of >homicides will occur with knives.
He was not left wing except in the same sense
as Abraham Lincoln nor a socialist Democrat
but he followed Trump's deal with the Taliban
which won him no good publicity.
Given your assessment of Joe and other matters,
you regularly demonstrate being basically the
Joe Biden of this newsgroup.
On Fri, 8 May 2026 11:46:01 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
He was not left wing except in the same sense
as Abraham Lincoln nor a socialist Democrat
but he followed Trump's deal with the Taliban
which won him no good publicity.
Given your assessment of Joe and other matters,
you regularly demonstrate being basically the
Joe Biden of this newsgroup.
Wow - that's REALLY mean!
On Thu, 7 May 2026 16:42:54 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
wrote:
Trump's claims about fentanyl coming from Canada are a simple lie. The
cited amount is the total seized by the Northern Border force, with
Trump and his stooges claiming that all such seizures come from Canada.
But this is utterly false. The largest single seizure, made in Spokane,
has been traced back as far as Arizona. Only a tiny fraction of the
total claimed is believed to have come from Canada.
It's a good lie because simpletons look at that word "Border" and assume
the force is actually at the border. In fact they operate in about a
third of the country.
It's also worth noting that a fentanyl pill sells for about ten times
more in Vancouver than it does in Washington. There's simply no
incentive to ship it south.
William Hyde
There's no question SOME fentanyl enters the US from Canada
was saying is that far more goes the other way.
for the "outlaw motorcycle gangs" that dominate the drug trade on both
sides of the border.
I certainly knew that "Border + Immigration" operates far more than
just at the border - the ONLY part of that that's true is Customs and
in most cases that only affects businesses.
But yeah - that comment from Trump about the cross border drug trade
being primarily N -> S from Canada REALLY burns me since it simply
isn't true.
you include the chemicals needed to make fentanyl - 95+% of which
originate in China - it's about 10-1 US into Canada compared to Canada
US.)
IIRC, 100 miles inland. Hence, yes, Spokane. And, probably, Milwaukee.
I would think that "border" includes the various seacoasts, not just
the dry parts.
As an unfortunate Brit tourista found out while jogging in the woods a
few years back, the Canadian/USA border is not even /marked/ in
places. Never mind having a wall. It took her friends, relatives, and >government several months to retrieve her from wherever the USA Border
guys put her.
Viewing yourself as ?good guys?? through very selective vision.
I wonder if as many Uighurs suffered as Native Americans over the
centuries of US expansionism ...
That's a heck of a lot of verbiage to say "most
people are what I consider morons".
But I totally understand the attraction to
practicing typing!
Apparently "what seems obvious about the word
visually is it implying" doesn't mean to you
what it means to me, which was a reference
to the first seven letters of the word
'conservativism' being 'conserv'.
Oh well! Different minds, different meanings!
On Fri, 8 May 2026 01:36:26 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
On 2026-05-07, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
Barring tearing up the Constitution how do
you get Trump in 2028?
Should any GOP supporter actually WANT
that? Donald Trump was born in June 1946 and
thus would be 82 years old at the end of the
present term. Even were it constitutionally
possible, would you really want an 86 year
old in the White House? At what point does
his health become a factor?
That was an irrelevant question to TDS'ers
when Biden was sounding 100 at 70....
I watched both Trump-Biden debates in 2024 as
well as Trump-Harris and my personal opinion
is that Harris was worse in her debate than
Biden was in the second debate (which was the
one where he sounded deep in dementia). I don't
know who prepped her for the debate but they did
a terrible terrible job preparing her for it.
On Fri, 8 May 2026 11:46:01 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
He was not left wing except in the same sense
as Abraham Lincoln nor a socialist Democrat
but he followed Trump's deal with the Taliban
which won him no good publicity.
Given your assessment of Joe and other matters,
you regularly demonstrate being basically the
Joe Biden of this newsgroup.
Wow - that's REALLY mean!
On Sat, 9 May 2026 19:40:58 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
That's a heck of a lot of verbiage to say "most
people are what I consider morons".
But I totally understand the attraction to
practicing typing!
Yes it is - but the critical reason for the
current war there is that the Israelis are not
prepared to have Iranian nukes (a) because
they don't want to go to war with Iran and
feel Iranian nukes make that inevitable and
(b) a significant number of Iranian nukes means
pretty much every oil state that could afford
nukes would attempt to build as many as possible
and that would make the Middle East a FAR more
dangerous place than now.
Imagine if the Shah of Iran had had nukes
during the revolution of 1979-80 - with the
high likelihood that Khomeini gets them intact.
Then imagine how that scenario would have played
out over the last 40-45 years.
Like what you envision? I thought not.
On Sun, 10 May 2026 04:04:47 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
Apparently "what seems obvious about the word
visually is it implying" doesn't mean to you
what it means to me, which was a reference
to the first seven letters of the word
'conservativism' being 'conserv'.
Oh well! Different minds, different meanings!
Not to mention that what most Conservatives
want to conserve are values (including things
like 'living within your means' which Trump
seems against)
On Fri, 08 May 2026 08:05:46 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
IIRC, 100 miles inland. Hence, yes, Spokane. And, probably, Milwaukee.A lot of the northern US cities were based both on rivers and railway >crossing points, most of which were built from 1865-1900. Spokane is
I would think that "border" includes the various seacoasts, not just
the dry parts.
As an unfortunate Brit tourista found out while jogging in the woods a
few years back, the Canadian/USA border is not even /marked/ in
places. Never mind having a wall. It took her friends, relatives, and >>government several months to retrieve her from wherever the USA Border
guys put her.
about 230 miles from Seattle (more or less straight east). Given the
terrain in that area (my aunt lives about 30 miles N of the Canada-US
border N of Spokane -) it would not surprise me that much of that
border is not marked in places though it certainly is along all roads
and highways. (Google is dead wrong in saying it is 2588 km from
Nelson to the US border since it also says Nelson is 479 miles from
Spokane which is also wrong as it says in the next sentence it's 149.6
miles by highway. 479 miles S from Nelson would be close to the WA/OR
state borders...)
Bottom line is that there are several mountain ranges between
Vancouver and the BC / AB border and several of the small towns were >originally built to accomodate the railways. Most of the signs along
that part of the Canada-US border are on the roads which cross the
border - and most of the off-road routes are fairly challenging hikes
for hikers.
I can't imagine that anyone but an extremely experienced hiker would
want to cross that border over 90% of it (e.g. anywhere more than 2 or
3 miles from a roadway)
The Horny Goat wrote:The
On Thu, 7 May 2026 16:42:54 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
wrote:
Trump's claims about fentanyl coming from Canada are a simple lie.
Canada.cited amount is the total seized by the Northern Border force, with
Trump and his stooges claiming that all such seizures come from
Spokane,
But this is utterly false. The largest single seizure, made in
assumehas been traced back as far as Arizona. Only a tiny fraction of the
total claimed is believed to have come from Canada.
It's a good lie because simpletons look at that word "Border" and
the force is actually at the border. In fact they operate in about a
third of the country.
It's also worth noting that a fentanyl pill sells for about ten times
more in Vancouver than it does in Washington. There's simply no
incentive to ship it south.
William Hyde
There's no question SOME fentanyl enters the US from Canada
The last year for which court figures are available gives it as about a >pound. Completely negligible.
- what I
was saying is that far more goes the other way.
Don't say anything that gives the slightest cover to these liars.
It's a big business
for the "outlaw motorcycle gangs" that dominate the drug trade on both
sides of the border.
I certainly knew that "Border + Immigration" operates far more than
just at the border - the ONLY part of that that's true is Customs and
in most cases that only affects businesses.
But yeah - that comment from Trump about the cross border drug trade
being primarily N -> S from Canada REALLY burns me since it simply
isn't true.
Millions of maga types believe it because Trump said it. I wonder if
Lynn does?
(It may or may not be true for finished fentanyl but if
you include the chemicals needed to make fentanyl - 95+% of which
originate in China - it's about 10-1 US into Canada compared to Canada
US.)
And now you're giving them cover again.
On Sat, 9 May 2026 07:19:09 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D?Oliveirovision.
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Viewing yourself as ?good guys?? through very selective
I wonder if as many Uighurs suffered as Native Americans over the
centuries of US expansionism ...
Estimates vary widely but for Native Americans (by which I assume you
also include those in what is now Canada) the estimates are from 3.8 -
20 million.
Thus making it VERY difficult to judge whether the Native population
has risen or fallen since contact (5.8m in the US, 1.8m in Canada), as >opposed to the equally fuzzy stats for Uighurs (roughly 8m according
to Britannica - which doesn't make it clear whether that's just China
- where about 90-95% of them live or in the adjoining ex-Soviet
republics as well)
One thing making things VERY complex in British Columbia where I live
is that there are several tribes claiming to have lived in the same
area - especially within 100 miles of Vancouver which has the highest >property values as well as the best harbor N of San Francisco. (And
much closer to China and Japan than San Fran as a simple look at a
globe would show you)
Naturally each tribe wants a separate payoff for their claims even
when - especially when - they overlap. Now whether you believe
aboriginal peoples have the right to redress for "lost lands" or not
is one thing but few people support payment for the same land multiple
times over.
My personal opinion is that the government should tell them to get
together and figure out who is going to claim what and tell them in
advance that if any further claims come forward henceforth ALL of them
will be disallowed and paid at zero cents on the dollar. Because
overlapping land claims is simply fraud.
On Sat, 9 May 2026 19:40:58 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
That's a heck of a lot of verbiage to say "most
people are what I consider morons".
But I totally understand the attraction to
practicing typing!
Yes it is - but the critical reason for the current war there is that
the Israelis are not prepared to have Iranian nukes (a) because they
don't want to go to war with Iran and feel Iranian nukes make that
inevitable and (b) a significant number of Iranian nukes means pretty
much every oil state that could afford nukes would attempt to build as
many as possible and that would make the Middle East a FAR more
dangerous place than now.
Imagine if the Shah of Iran had had nukes during the revolution of
1979-80 - with the high likelihood that Khomeini gets them intact.
Then imagine how that scenario would have played out over the last
40-45 years.
Like what you envision? I thought not.
Yes, it is /so/ hard not be fair and balanced
when you are not MAGA.
OK, that didn't come out quite as intended. I am
not stating or implying that MAGA is fair and
balanced, but that many of those not in MAGA
feel a need to be and so have trouble leaving
no loopholes for MAGA to crawl through as they
go back under the rock they came out from under.
On Sun, 10 May 2026 04:04:47 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
Apparently "what seems obvious about the word
visually is it implying" doesn't mean to you
what it means to me, which was a reference
to the first seven letters of the word
'conservativism' being 'conserv'.
Oh well! Different minds, different meanings!
Not to mention that what most Conservatives want to conserve are
values (including things like 'living within your means' which Trump
seems against)
On Thu, 14 May 2026 15:19:02 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 08 May 2026 08:05:46 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
IIRC, 100 miles inland. Hence, yes, Spokane. And, probably, Milwaukee.A lot of the northern US cities were based both on rivers and railway
I would think that "border" includes the various seacoasts, not just
the dry parts.
As an unfortunate Brit tourista found out while jogging in the woods a
few years back, the Canadian/USA border is not even /marked/ in
places. Never mind having a wall. It took her friends, relatives, and
government several months to retrieve her from wherever the USA Border
guys put her.
crossing points, most of which were built from 1865-1900. Spokane is
about 230 miles from Seattle (more or less straight east). Given the
terrain in that area (my aunt lives about 30 miles N of the Canada-US
border N of Spokane -) it would not surprise me that much of that
border is not marked in places though it certainly is along all roads
and highways. (Google is dead wrong in saying it is 2588 km from
Nelson to the US border since it also says Nelson is 479 miles from
Spokane which is also wrong as it says in the next sentence it's 149.6
miles by highway. 479 miles S from Nelson would be close to the WA/OR
state borders...)
Bottom line is that there are several mountain ranges between
Vancouver and the BC / AB border and several of the small towns were
originally built to accomodate the railways. Most of the signs along
that part of the Canada-US border are on the roads which cross the
border - and most of the off-road routes are fairly challenging hikes
for hikers.
I can't imagine that anyone but an extremely experienced hiker would
want to cross that border over 90% of it (e.g. anywhere more than 2 or
3 miles from a roadway)
Interesting information, to be sure.
IIRC, she was a tourist in Canada who went out for a jog and stepped
in the USA unawares. Any hotels/motels close to the border with
jogging paths nearby?
On Thu, 14 May 2026 15:39:40 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
Imagine if the Shah of Iran had had nukes during the revolution of
1979-80 - with the high likelihood that Khomeini gets them intact.
Then imagine how that scenario would have played out over the last
40-45 years.
Like what you envision? I thought not.
Oh, I don't know about that:
1. Iraq/Saddam would be gone early in the Iraq-Iran war.
There's also Derby Line, vt, where a small town straddles the border
- the line runs right through the library. Since 9/11 crossings there
have become much less casual.
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
There's also Derby Line, vt, where a small town straddles the border
- the line runs right through the library. Since 9/11 crossings there
have become much less casual.
For years I bought frequency-determining crystals from a company called
QMX Crystals. Their factory had a yellow line going down the center, and half was in Mexico and half was in the US and various procedures were done
on each side of the border depending on tax costs.
They managed to survive 9-11 but didn't make it to get to the first Trump presidency.
Crystals were another one of those technologies that exploded during WWII
and helped us win the war. There were hundreds of small companies making crystals for the military in the forties... by the time I was interested in radio in the seventies it was down to a couple dozen larger companies.
These days there are really only a couple companies in the world making custom-cut-to-frequency crystals.
--scott
There's the Peace Arch Park in Douglas Washington, which spans the
border, and has to remain unfenced due to complex reasons involving
the Treaty of Ghent.
There's also Derby Line, vt, where a small town straddles the border
- the line runs right through the library. Since 9/11 crossings there
have become much less casual.
On Fri, 15 May 2026 21:54:57 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
There's the Peace Arch Park in Douglas Washington, which spans the
border, and has to remain unfenced due to complex reasons involving
the Treaty of Ghent.
The Peace Arch park is mostly notable for being where the 49th
parallel (which is the Canada US border for everything west of Ontario
other than AK and HI) hits salt water on the west coast has existed
for more than 100 years - and the Arch was built as a commemoration of
100 years of peace following the War of 1812.
Got a citation on the gates having to be open? I remember during the
Vietnam war there was a MAJOR hubbub when protesters closed the gate
for a short time.
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