?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed Capital"
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-energy- machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle."
Shipstones !!!!!!!
On 5/19/2026 11:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed Capital" >>
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-energy-
machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to
produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small
rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle."
Shipstones !!!!!!!
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Do you actually believe this, or are you posting ironically?
On Tue, 19 May 2026 22:49:41 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
Let everybody?s favourite snarky physicist explain why this is a load
of bullshit <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZnjDR-GglE>.
Hint: it?s called ?zero-point energy?. ?Zero? means you can?t go any
lower. The energy you get from the Casimir effect is the same amount
you put back in to pull the plates apart.
On 5/19/2026 11:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-
energy- machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to
produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small
rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle."
Shipstones !!!!!!!
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Do you actually believe this, or are you posting ironically?
pt
On 5/19/2026 11:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-
energy- machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to
produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small
rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle."
Shipstones !!!!!!!
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Do you actually believe this, or are you posting ironically?
pt
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed Capital"
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-energy- machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle."
Shipstones !!!!!!!
Lynn
On 5/19/2026 11:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed Capital" >>
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-energy-
machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to
produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small
rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle."
Shipstones !!!!!!!
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Do you actually believe this, or are you posting ironically?
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/19/2026 11:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed Capital" >>>
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-energy-
machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to
produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small
rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle." >>>
Shipstones !!!!!!!
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Do you actually believe this, or are you posting ironically?
It's not free energy, since the energy is put into it in the first place by separating the plates. But it takes a long time for that energy to come
out, which is partly why you only get a few uA (much less than a small battery). There is degradation and a replacement cycle but it's a very
long one.
I could see some applications for something like this, but I'd want to see
it from a company who was more honest about what they were selling. I would not dismiss the idea but I might dismiss the company and its crazy claims.
Are shipstones free energy sources or did they have an enormous amount of energy installed into them at manufacturing time?
--scott
On 5/20/2026 2:06 AM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2026 22:49:41 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
Let everybody?s favourite snarky physicist explain why this is a
load of bullshit <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZnjDR-GglE>.
Hint: it?s called ?zero-point energy?. ?Zero? means you can?t go
any lower. The energy you get from the Casimir effect is the same
amount you put back in to pull the plates apart.
I love it when scientists say "no way !".
On Wed, 20 May 2026 13:52:02 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/20/2026 2:06 AM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2026 22:49:41 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
Let everybody?s favourite snarky physicist explain why this is a
load of bullshit <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZnjDR-GglE>.
Hint: it?s called ?zero-point energy?. ?Zero? means you can?t go
any lower. The energy you get from the Casimir effect is the same
amount you put back in to pull the plates apart.
I love it when scientists say "no way !".
Let?s just say, conservation laws are a well-known target of scammers
...
Everything is ironic. Just ask Alanis.
On 5/20/2026 6:48 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
Let?s just say, conservation laws are a well-known target of
scammers ...
Yup. But there are still a lot of things to find out about the
universe.
Let's just say, conservation laws are a well-known target of scammers
On 5/19/2026 10:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-
energy- machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to
produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small
rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle."
Shipstones !!!!!!!
Lynn
Of course, the Source of the energy could come from hacking the
simulation?s computers.
Lynn
On Wed, 20 May 2026 18:55:06 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/20/2026 6:48 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
Let?s just say, conservation laws are a well-known target of
scammers ...
Yup. But there are still a lot of things to find out about the
universe.
Like, for example, if it is possible to extract energy from empty
space, then that space must, by definition, be what?s called a ?false vacuum?. That means that the stability of empty space is purely an
illusion -- it is just waiting for an excuse to drop and release its
energy.
If it is possible to make it drop to a lower state in one place, that
could happen anywhere and everywhere: like dropping a fleck of dust
into a glass of supercooled water, once part of it turns to ice, very
quickly the whole of the body of water turns to ice.
Think of a forest that is tinder-dry, just waiting for a fire to start
in one place. Then it spreads from there to everywhere, and the whole
forest is reduced to ash.
In other words, if zero-point energy is real, attempting to harness it
could destroy the Universe.
Only one way to find out, eh ... ?
On 5/20/2026 4:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/19/2026 10:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-
energy- machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to
produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small
rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle." >>>
Shipstones !!!!!!!
Lynn
Of course, the Source of the energy could come from hacking the
simulation?s computers.
Lynn
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
pt
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Let's just say, conservation laws are a well-known target of scammers
I explain to students that the three laws of thermodynamics are a theory that seems to explain the world very well, and that after a few hundred years of trying to find an exception to them nobody has yet done so.
That doesn't mean it's not possible to do so. But it does mean that if anyone ever does so, it won't happen on a kitchen table but on a scale that is very tiny or very giant because everything between them has been very
well explored.
I can't rule out a violation of the first law completely, but the chances
of it ever happening are so small as to not be worth worrying about. This
is how science works.
I have seen cases where energy seemed to come out of nowhere and they all
got tracked down to bad grounding, the thermoelectric effect, or a misplaced decimal point. But as an engineer, being able to generate current from
the thermoelectric effect can be just as useful as generating it out of
thin air, and the same can be said for eddy currents through ground loops. Unfortunately engineers have not found a way to harness misplaced decimal points yet.
--scott
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Let's just say, conservation laws are a well-known target of scammers
I explain to students that the three laws of thermodynamics are a theory that seems to explain the world very well, and that after a few hundred years of trying to find an exception to them nobody has yet done so.
That doesn't mean it's not possible to do so. But it does mean that if anyone ever does so, it won't happen on a kitchen table but on a scale that is very tiny or very giant because everything between them has been very
well explored.
I can't rule out a violation of the first law completely, but the chances
of it ever happening are so small as to not be worth worrying about. This
is how science works.
I have seen cases where energy seemed to come out of nowhere and they all
got tracked down to bad grounding, the thermoelectric effect, or a misplaced decimal point. But as an engineer, being able to generate current from
the thermoelectric effect can be just as useful as generating it out of
thin air, and the same can be said for eddy currents through ground loops. Unfortunately engineers have not found a way to harness misplaced decimal points yet.
--scott
On 5/20/2026 4:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/19/2026 10:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Casimir Effect? Perpetual Energy Machine Raises $12 Million Seed
Capital"
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/18/casimir-effect-perpetual-
energy- machine-raises-12-million-seed-capital/
"Casimir?s MicroSparc chip measures just 5mm ? 5mm and is designed to
produce 1.5 volts at 25 microamps, performance comparable to a small
rechargeable battery, but with no degradation and no replacement cycle." >>>
Shipstones !!!!!!!
Lynn
Of course, the Source of the energy could come from hacking the
simulation?s computers.
Lynn
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
On 5/20/2026 10:48 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 2026 18:55:06 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/20/2026 6:48 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
Let?s just say, conservation laws are a well-known target of
scammers ...
Yup. But there are still a lot of things to find out about the
universe.
Like, for example, if it is possible to extract energy from empty
space, then that space must, by definition, be what?s called a ?false
vacuum?. That means that the stability of empty space is purely an
illusion -- it is just waiting for an excuse to drop and release its
energy.
If it is possible to make it drop to a lower state in one place, that
could happen anywhere and everywhere: like dropping a fleck of dust
into a glass of supercooled water, once part of it turns to ice, very
quickly the whole of the body of water turns to ice.
Think of a forest that is tinder-dry, just waiting for a fire to start
in one place. Then it spreads from there to everywhere, and the whole
forest is reduced to ash.
In other words, if zero-point energy is real, attempting to harness it
could destroy the Universe.
Only one way to find out, eh ... ?
That is what the naysayers said about nuclear weapons.
And several science fiction stories have been written about stealing
heat from Hell and depositing heat in another dimension.
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
And several science fiction stories have been written about stealing
heat from Hell and depositing heat in another dimension.
Or the other way around, to wit Fred Pohl's _The Snowmen_, which might be worth comparing with the current climate considerations.
--scott
There is no significant climate change.
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
On 5/21/2026 4:00 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
And several science fiction stories have been written about stealing
heat from Hell and depositing heat in another dimension.
Or the other way around, to wit Fred Pohl's _The Snowmen_, which might be
worth comparing with the current climate considerations.
There is no significant climate change.
On Thu, 21 May 2026 14:03:13 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
How would we tell? What difference would it make?
You would not believe the number of times that people have used my
software to try to prove that they can violate any and all of the laws
of thermodynamics. And then they get upset when reality rears its ugly
head at them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
But I firmly believe that we do not fully understand quantum effects,
yet. Maybe in the next 100 years.
On Thu, 21 May 2026 14:03:13 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
How would we tell? What difference would it make?
Myself, I don't /ever/ expect to understand quantum effects.
Particularly if you mean /actually/ understand them, as a physicist in
the field presumably does.
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/21/2026 4:00 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
And several science fiction stories have been written about stealing
heat from Hell and depositing heat in another dimension.
Or the other way around, to wit Fred Pohl's _The Snowmen_, which might be >>> worth comparing with the current climate considerations.
There is no significant climate change.
In _The Snowmen_ there was very very significant climate change, with
ambient temperatures only a few degrees above absolute, but people continued to ignore warnings and then something unexpected happened which makes it
a great SF story.
--scott
On 5/21/2026 8:09 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 14:03:13 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
How would we tell? What difference would it make?
Well, you could turn the WishesAreGranted toggle to 'on', from its
current 'off' setting.
More interesting would be escaping from the 'Universe' VM into
the real world (or at least the next higher layer of simulation).
On Fri, 22 May 2026 15:45:37 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/21/2026 8:09 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 14:03:13 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
How would we tell? What difference would it make?
Well, you could turn the WishesAreGranted toggle to 'on', from its
current 'off' setting.
But who, or what, would be granting those wishes?
More interesting would be escaping from the 'Universe' VM into
the real world (or at least the next higher layer of simulation).
Again, how would you tell?
On Thu, 21 May 2026 15:01:51 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
<snippo -- attempts to violate the Three Laws>
You would not believe the number of times that people have used my
software to try to prove that they can violate any and all of the laws
of thermodynamics. And then they get upset when reality rears its ugly
head at them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
But I firmly believe that we do not fully understand quantum effects,
yet. Maybe in the next 100 years.
Myself, I don't /ever/ expect to understand quantum effects.
Particularly if you mean /actually/ understand them, as a physicist in
the field presumably does.
On 5/21/2026 8:09 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 14:03:13 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
How would we tell? What difference would it make?
Well, you could turn the WishesAreGranted toggle to 'on', from
its current 'off' setting.
On Fri, 22 May 2026 15:45:37 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:light?,
On 5/21/2026 8:09 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 14:03:13 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
How would we tell? What difference would it make?
Well, you could turn the WishesAreGranted toggle to 'on', from its
current 'off' setting.
But who, or what, would be granting those wishes?
This is like that old question about ?god said ?let there be
and there was light? -- who, or what, was actually carrying out that >instruction?
More interesting would be escaping from the 'Universe' VM into
the real world (or at least the next higher layer of simulation).
Again, how would you tell?
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Myself, I don't /ever/ expect to understand quantum effects.
Particularly if you mean /actually/ understand them, as a physicist in
the field presumably does.
The physicist knows the math but does have the kind of intuitive understanding of quantum effects that we all have of Newtonian
mechanics? Maybe.
In the most embarrassing case that I can recall, intuition derived
from knowledge of symmetry, conservation laws (yes, the same thing
in theory) ...
On 23/05/2026 11:15, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
Again, how would you tell?
Hint. :-) God-mode. (God knows all.)
On 5/21/2026 8:12 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Let's just say, conservation laws are a well-known target of scammers
I explain to students that the three laws of thermodynamics are a theory that
seems to explain the world very well, and that after a few hundred years of trying to find an exception to them nobody has yet done so.
That doesn't mean it's not possible to do so. But it does mean that if anyone ever does so, it won't happen on a kitchen table but on a scale that is very tiny or very giant because everything between them has been very well explored.
I can't rule out a violation of the first law completely, but the chances of it ever happening are so small as to not be worth worrying about. This is how science works.
I have seen cases where energy seemed to come out of nowhere and they all got tracked down to bad grounding, the thermoelectric effect, or a misplaced
decimal point. But as an engineer, being able to generate current from
the thermoelectric effect can be just as useful as generating it out of thin air, and the same can be said for eddy currents through ground loops. Unfortunately engineers have not found a way to harness misplaced decimal points yet.
--scott
You would not believe the number of times that people have used my
software to try to prove that they can violate any and all of the laws
of thermodynamics. And then they get upset when reality rears its ugly
head at them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
But I firmly believe that we do not fully understand quantum effects,
yet. Maybe in the next 100 years.
Lynn
On 5/20/2026 4:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/19/2026 10:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
There's an interesting thought. If we're in a simulation, can we
execute a privilege escalation, and turn on god-mode?
pt
On Sat, 23 May 2026 14:35:20 -0400, William Hyde wrote:
In the most embarrassing case that I can recall, intuition derived
from knowledge of symmetry, conservation laws (yes, the same thing
in theory) ...
Noether?s Theorem: to every symmetry (i.e. invariance under some transformation) a conservation law, and vice versa.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to time
?
energy is conserved.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to position in space
?
linear momentum is conserved.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to direction in space
?
angular momentum is conserved.
But there is one more: the laws of physics are also invariant with
respect to linear movement under different constant velocities
(inertial frames of reference); so what conservation law does this
give rise to?
The centre of mass of an isolated system moves at a constant velocity.
On Sat, 23 May 2026 14:35:20 -0400, William Hyde wrote:
In the most embarrassing case that I can recall, intuition derived
from knowledge of symmetry, conservation laws (yes, the same thing
in theory) ...
Noether?s Theorem: to every symmetry (i.e. invariance under some transformation) a conservation law, and vice versa.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to time
?
energy is conserved.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to position in space
?
linear momentum is conserved.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to direction in space
?
angular momentum is conserved.
But there is one more: the laws of physics are also invariant with
respect to linear movement under different constant velocities
(inertial frames of reference); so what conservation law does this
give rise to?
On 23/05/2026 03:27, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 15:01:51 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
<snippo -- attempts to violate the Three Laws>
You would not believe the number of times that people have used my
software to try to prove that they can violate any and all of the laws
of thermodynamics. And then they get upset when reality rears its ugly
head at them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
But I firmly believe that we do not fully understand quantum effects,
yet. Maybe in the next 100 years.
In 100 years your descendants in Texas will be wearing prosthetic sun umbrellas grafted at birth, still practising glossalia which is
difficult to represent here but frequently sounds something like "there
is no significant climate change".
Myself, I don't /ever/ expect to understand quantum effects.
Particularly if you mean /actually/ understand them, as a physicist in
the field presumably does.
Nor do I.
I do not even know if the physicist in the field does.
On Thu, 21 May 2026 16:19:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
There is no significant climate change.
Rising house insurance premiums against climate-related natural
disasters say otherwise.
On 5/23/26 20:47, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2026 14:35:20 -0400, William Hyde wrote:
In the most embarrassing case that I can recall, intuition derived
from knowledge of symmetry, conservation laws (yes, the same thing
in theory) ...
Noether?s Theorem: to every symmetry (i.e. invariance under some
transformation) a conservation law, and vice versa.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to time
?
energy is conserved.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to position in space
?
linear momentum is conserved.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to direction in space
?
angular momentum is conserved.
But there is one more: the laws of physics are also invariant with
respect to linear movement under different constant velocities
(inertial frames of reference); so what conservation law does this
give rise to?
The laws of physics that we know are working properly as we can
observe in our local space and seem to work where ever we can see but
we still have no decent explanations for Dark Energy and Dark Matter.
I doubt that it will be easy or cheap to extract energy from--
the 11 dimensional matrix in which our 4 Dimensional Universe may be
embedded and from which it may have evolved.
Our successors in some future time if such exists will laugh
at our naivety in regard to the present Model.
bliss - who has been offline due to stupidity and failure
of Thunderbird. Now on Betterbird which took off with a bang.
Beware of the loose nut(s) on keyboards!
On 5/22/26 21:36, Titus G wrote:laws
On 23/05/2026 03:27, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 15:01:51 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
<snippo -- attempts to violate the Three Laws>
You would not believe the number of times that people have used my
software to try to prove that they can violate any and all of the
uglyof thermodynamics. And then they get upset when reality rears its
effects,head at them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
But I firmly believe that we do not fully understand quantum
"thereyet. Maybe in the next 100 years.
In 100 years your descendants in Texas will be wearing prosthetic sun
umbrellas grafted at birth, still practising glossalia which is
difficult to represent here but frequently sounds something like
inis no significant climate change".
Myself, I don't /ever/ expect to understand quantum effects.
Particularly if you mean /actually/ understand them, as a physicist
the field presumably does.
Nor do I.
I do not even know if the physicist in the field does.
Mathematicians who are physicist understand it very well.
Physicists who are Mathematicians understand it as well.
I am neither but understand it as the boundary between
reality and potentiality. Before the Universe existed what we
are now, matter and energy, were on the potential side of that
boundary.
It is hard to understand but the Einstein idea that
matter and energy is one i grew up with but which the grown
people of my childhood had great problems with especially
in regard to the limits imposed by closing on the speed of
light which I do not like either but the time moving
more slowly at high speeds has been shown to happen.
’’’’bliss - who has been offline due to stupidity and failure
of Thunderbird. Now on Betterbird which took off with a bang.
’’’’Beware of the loose nut(s) on keyboards!
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 22:02:22 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 5/23/26 20:47, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2026 14:35:20 -0400, William Hyde wrote:
In the most embarrassing case that I can recall, intuition derived
from knowledge of symmetry, conservation laws (yes, the same thing
in theory) ...
Noether?s Theorem: to every symmetry (i.e. invariance under some
transformation) a conservation law, and vice versa.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to time
?
energy is conserved.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to position in space
?
linear momentum is conserved.
Laws of physics are invariant with respect to direction in space
?
angular momentum is conserved.
But there is one more: the laws of physics are also invariant with
respect to linear movement under different constant velocities
(inertial frames of reference); so what conservation law does this
give rise to?
The laws of physics that we know are working properly as we can
observe in our local space and seem to work where ever we can see but
we still have no decent explanations for Dark Energy and Dark Matter.
Well, none that treats them as real, anyway.
Those who have read Ptolemy and Copernicus may get a whiff of
"preserving the appearances": that is, that Dark Energy and Dark
Matter exist to allow us to pretend that the relevant physics is
correct, even though it is not quite correct (just a good
approximation, better even than Newton's).
I do wonder sometimes that there's such an insistence that the
laws of physics are invariant over all of time and space that
there may be simpler explanations of what we observe if we allow
them to bend a bit.
Its a bit like epicycles - sure you can explain elliptical orbits
by adding epicycles to epicycles, but it gets complicated. Is
it possible that Dark Energy and Dark Matter are similar
retcons to keep physical laws and constants invariant in the
face of contradictory observations?
Verily, in article <10vq1s0$3uu3s$1@dont-email.me>, did
petertrei@gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
I do wonder sometimes that there's such an insistence that the
laws of physics are invariant over all of time and space that
there may be simpler explanations of what we observe if we allow
them to bend a bit.
Its a bit like epicycles - sure you can explain elliptical orbits
by adding epicycles to epicycles, but it gets complicated. Is
it possible that Dark Energy and Dark Matter are similar
retcons to keep physical laws and constants invariant in the
face of contradictory observations?
Some people think that dark matter is just, you know, matter. There may
be some reason we don't see it, but being literally unlit doesn't
necessarily mean it's a mystery.
I've thought of dark matter and the dark force as placeholder concepts
ever since I first heard of them.
I do wonder sometimes that there's such an insistence that the
laws of physics are invariant over all of time and space that
there may be simpler explanations of what we observe if we allow
them to bend a bit.
Its a bit like epicycles - sure you can explain elliptical orbits
by adding epicycles to epicycles, but it gets complicated.
it possible that Dark Energy’ and Dark Matter are similar
retcons to keep physical laws and constants invariant in the
face of contradictory observations?
On Thu, 21 May 2026 16:19:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
There is no significant climate change.
Rising house insurance premiums against climate-related natural
disasters say otherwise.
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10vq1s0$3uu3s$1@dont-email.me>, didWhen I first heard of the possibility of dark matter, back in the 1970s,
petertrei@gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
I do wonder sometimes that there's such an insistence that the
laws of physics are invariant over all of time and space that
there may be simpler explanations of what we observe if we allow
them to bend a bit.
Its a bit like epicycles - sure you can explain elliptical orbits
by adding epicycles to epicycles, but it gets complicated. Is
it possible that Dark Energy’ and Dark Matter are similar
retcons to keep physical laws and constants invariant in the
face of contradictory observations?
Some people think that dark matter is just, you know, matter. There may
be some reason we don't see it, but being literally unlit doesn't
necessarily mean it's a mystery.
I've thought of dark matter and the dark force as placeholder concepts
ever since I first heard of them.
I thought (like all SF fans), "Poul Anderson".
In one of his stories Anderson proposed the fairly reasonable idea that there are vastly more small objects than large, that a gas cloud may condense into n stars, but a greater fraction of the mass will condense
into m>>n substellar objects.
This was in fact for a while a leading candidate for Dark Matter, the so called Massive Compact Halo Objects (MACHOS).
Alas, observations have shown that Dark Matter is not baryonic.’ Still,
I think that Anderson deserves at least a footnote.
I take the bullet cluster collision to be good evidence of dark matter.
The other proposed explanations I do not find convincing.
Dark energy though ...
William Hyde
I do wonder sometimes that there's such an insistence that the laws
of physics are invariant over all of time and space that there may
be simpler explanations of what we observe if we allow them to bend
a bit.
Its a bit like epicycles - sure you can explain elliptical orbits
by adding epicycles to epicycles, but it gets complicated.
Is it possible that Dark Energy and Dark Matter are similar retcons
to keep physical laws and constants invariant in the face of
contradictory observations?
I take the bullet cluster collision to be good evidence of dark
matter. The other proposed explanations I do not find convincing.
On 5/21/2026 7:08 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 16:19:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
There is no significant climate change.
Rising house insurance premiums against climate-related natural
disasters say otherwise.
Yeah, pull the other leg, it has a bell on it. The house insurance >companies are making wild profits now. The rising insurance premiums
are all about making profits.
Of course, California is an exception to that as the insurance companies
are leaving California due to the greater than zero chance of the houses
all burning down due to the mismanagement of fire fighting materials and >people.
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/21/2026 7:08 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 16:19:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
There is no significant climate change.
Rising house insurance premiums against climate-related natural
disasters say otherwise.
Yeah, pull the other leg, it has a bell on it. The house insurance
companies are making wild profits now. The rising insurance premiums
are all about making profits.
Where is your evidence to support your assertion? Particularly
since many of the largest insurance companies are mutual societies
that don't pay profits to investors (e.g. State Farm, et alia).
Whether it is a dereccho or hail in iowa, flooding in houston, coastal erosion on both coasts, or wildfires (common in the southeast
and texas as well as california) climate change has resulted
in increased damage covered by insurance.
Of course, California is an exception to that as the insurance companies
are leaving California due to the greater than zero chance of the houses
all burning down due to the mismanagement of fire fighting materials and
people
Yeah, "Just rake the forests". An idiotic statement made by an idiot.
You've clearly never been to California, and have no idea what
you're actually talking about. Perhaps a topological map would
help you understand the geography of the state.
Texas also has wildfires.
https://tfsweb.tamu.edu/wildfire-and-other-disasters/current-wildfire-status/
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/21/2026 7:08 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 16:19:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
There is no significant climate change.
Rising house insurance premiums against climate-related natural
disasters say otherwise.
Yeah, pull the other leg, it has a bell on it. The house insurance
companies are making wild profits now. The rising insurance premiums
are all about making profits.
Where is your evidence to support your assertion? Particularly
since many of the largest insurance companies are mutual societies
that don't pay profits to investors (e.g. State Farm, et alia).
Whether it is a dereccho or hail in iowa, flooding in houston, coastal erosion on both coasts, or wildfires (common in the southeast
and texas as well as california) climate change has resulted
in increased damage covered by insurance.
Of course, California is an exception to that as the insurance companies
are leaving California due to the greater than zero chance of the houses
all burning down due to the mismanagement of fire fighting materials and
people.
Yeah, "Just rake the forests". An idiotic statement made by an idiot.
You've clearly never been to California, and have no idea what
you're actually talking about. Perhaps a topological map would
help you understand the geography of the state.
Texas also has wildfires.
https://tfsweb.tamu.edu/wildfire-and-other-disasters/current-wildfire-status/
On 6/3/2026 11:17 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Those who have read Ptolemy and Copernicus may get a whiff of
"preserving the appearances": that is, that Dark Energy and Dark
Matter exist to allow us to pretend that the relevant physics is
correct, even though it is not quite correct (just a good
approximation, better even than Newton's).
I do wonder sometimes that there's such an insistence that the
laws of physics are invariant over all of time and space that
there may be simpler explanations of what we observe if we allow
them to bend a bit.
Its a bit like epicycles - sure you can explain elliptical orbits
by adding epicycles to epicycles, but it gets complicated. Is
it possible that Dark Energy and Dark Matter are similar
retcons to keep physical laws and constants invariant in the
face of contradictory observations?
Cryptoengineer wrote:
Its a bit like epicycles - sure you can explain elliptical orbits
by adding epicycles to epicycles, but it gets complicated.
It seems to me that the system of epicycles is like a primitive form of >Fourier series by which an elliptical curve is written as a sum ofcircles.
That?s a direct illustration of Occam?s Razor: changing our theoriesPrinciple?,
to put something else other than the Earth at the notional centre of
things greatly simplified our view of the cosmos. The universality of >physical laws you mention above is called the ?Copernican
and is simply the logical progression of this.
On 5/21/2026 7:08 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2026 16:19:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
There is no significant climate change.
Rising house insurance premiums against climate-related natural
disasters say otherwise.
Yeah, pull the other leg, it has a bell on it. The house insurance >companies are making wild profits now. The rising insurance premiums
are all about making profits.
Of course, California is an exception to that as the insurance companies
are leaving California due to the greater than zero chance of the houses
all burning down due to the mismanagement of fire fighting materials and
people.
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