³ Yes, it's funny how home users switched to mobile with a bit of tablet and we ³ didn't really notice... but looking back now it has been a long time since
³ anyone I know bought a desktop computer. I suppose it also doesn't help that a
³ 10 year old laptop is still mostly adequate for a home user - in fact I had a ³ card from a family friend this Christmas telling me that she had just retired ³ the laptop I set up for her when my son was a newborn. He's now 18 :) ÀÄ[BW=>MP]

LOL, yeah don't know what it is about them as they do slow down but the
laptops seem to be kept longer. My first laptop (1990s) ate hard drives.
IMHO, the drives that were made for it were not really rated for a machine
that gets moved around a lot.

The one I have now I just realized while typing this will be 10 years old
this year. I also have an old Thinkpad that still works, and it could be
15-20 years old.

³ A lot of the law is unhelpful as well - one of my friends is having to scrap ³ perfectly good service provider routers in his job because they have to be
³ certified destroyed. I get it for disks but networking kit?
ÀÄ[BW=>MP]

Yeah, I wonder if it is because network routers often contain wireless password and other network information (like what ports the previous owner kept
open) that could help hackers gain entry to their networks.

Mike

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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: Utopian Galt to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 25 2025 10:10 am

Devices should have at least five years of prime life and two years of sub prime life before it needs to be recycled.

I like some of these new models that have gone back to replaceable batteries. Five years of software upgrades doesn't cut it if the battery is dead, and I'd rather have an easily-removeable battery.

Older Samsungs had a whole ecosystem of third-party batteries, including higher capacity batteries with replacement backs to fit them.
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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: MIKE POWELL to BOB WORM on Sat Jan 25 2025 10:09:00

Hi, Mike.

Yeah, I wonder if it is because network routers often contain wireless password and other network information (like what ports the previous owner kept
open) that could help hackers gain entry to their networks.

When I say service provider routers, I should probably have said service provider *core* routers - nothing that would go near an end user. Though I suppose in theory a lot of them can perform packet captures these days... Just seems vanishingly unlikely there would be anything sensitive left on these after a factory reset.

I am pretty sure people are still buying that exact model of device, as well, for a few thousand a pop.

BobW
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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Sat Jan 25 2025 10:29 pm

I like some of these new models that have gone back to replaceable batteries. Five years of software upgrades doesn't cut it if the battery is dead, and I'd rather have an easily-removeable battery.

Older Samsungs had a whole ecosystem of third-party batteries, including higher capacity batteries with replacement backs to fit them.

I didn't know anyone was making phones with replaceable batteries again. That's pretty cool.

Nightfox
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I gave my old iphone 7 plus to a homeless aquaintance and the phone finally refused to charge after 8 years.


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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I didn't know anyone was making phones with replaceable batteries
again. That's pretty cool.

Pinephone, Fairphone - both are OS-friendly phones. I think the Nothing
phones allow for replaceable batteries. The rugged phones that don't
have to worry about being thin, also.




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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jan 27 2025 08:12 am

I didn't know anyone was making phones with replaceable batteries again.
That's pretty cool.

Pinephone, Fairphone - both are OS-friendly phones. I think the Nothing phones allow for replaceable batteries. The rugged phones that don't have to worry about being thin, also.

That's cool.
Also, super-thinness wasn't something I ever really worried about. I was using Samsung Galaxy phones for a while, and I think the S3 or S4 was the last one with an easily replaceable battery, and I don't think it was too thick.

Nightfox
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³ When I say service provider routers, I should probably have said service
³ provider *core* routers - nothing that would go near an end user. Though I
³ suppose in theory a lot of them can perform packet captures these days... Just
³ seems vanishingly unlikely there would be anything sensitive left on these
³ after a factory reset.
ÀÄ[BW=>MP]

I see what you mean and agree. I was picturing the consumer level routers
when I read it originally.

Mike

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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

That's cool.
Also, super-thinness wasn't something I ever really worried about. I
was using Samsung Galaxy phones for a while, and I think the S3 or S4
was the last one with an easily replaceable battery, and I don't think
it was too thick.

I still miss my S3 - thought that was the perfect size. I ran mine on
LineageOS until the maintainer broke his S3 and they stopped creating
images for it. :(



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³ Pinephone, Fairphone - both are OS-friendly phones. I think the Nothing
³ phones allow for replaceable batteries. The rugged phones that don't
³ have to worry about being thin, also.
ÀÄ[PF=>N]

Pinephone was one I was interested in during the past, but they were a
little expensive then and I was not sure if they'd work with my carrier.
May need to look again the next time I am in the market for a phone.

Mike

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