I am a Marxist-Leninist... aka communist/bolshevik/(derogaatory by ultra
leftists and liberals) tankie
I am a super strong avocate for 20th century Socialism
which is worker's state, centrally planned economy, means of production ma>seized
by workers, and no markets
under capitalism there is severe exploitation
under socialism exploitation is non existant
exploitation is where someone who dose not contribute to society live off ma> the
labor of others. aka the capitalist. they live off the labor because they ma> own
the factories etc. aka the means of production
under capitalism there is severe exploitationAgain history shows that just isn't the case, at uni I met a number of Russian and east european academics all of whom had horror stories of how
under socialism exploitation is non existant
How do you envisage a new communist partly/state avoiding this?
Honestly the only way I envison sustainable capitalism or communism is if humans are taken out of the key positions of power. A system of checks and balances to prevent humans in power from corrupting and subverting
the systems for the benefit of few to the detriment of many would be the ideal but until we figure out how to roll that out at scale, advanced AI being in place to prevent corruption seems to be the only way these 2 systems of government would sustainably work over long periods of time
as intended. Until the AI itself becomes corrupted I suppose
Kirk - I would be curious to hear your thoughts about India vs China.
And what you attribute most towards China being able to outpace India in lifting more people out of poverty faster, etc etc.
Sounds very much like what the author Ian M Banks envisioned as "The Culture" in his Culture sci-fi series. Have you read any of his work?
Looking at our current attempts at AI, I'd be concerned that the AI
didn't start out corrupted/biased in the first place. I believe this is preconceptions. I have no idea how to avoid that.
I believe this s a case of the first mover advantage. China started economic reform earlier and opened up foreign investment & trade in way that worked really well for them. This allowed China to effectively
Who knows what would have happened in an alternate timeline? One where India wasn't torn apart by the parition that ended the Raj and didn't
Definitely one of my favourite series of books, well most of it at
least, there are 3-5 of them I didn't feel fit the series or I couldn't get into. Great recommendation though
did they get? Thinking about it, India got the first mover advantage in the realm of outsourced services and China for manufacturing and commodities, I have to think that the former is going to scale better
over time than the latter. We'll see how things shake out regardless,
the more I read the more I get the impression that China's economy is
all built on a house of cards.
I've read most of them, some are quite different thats for sure. Which ones did you not like or thought didn't fit the series?
did they get? Thinking about it, India got the first mover advantage the realm of outsourced services and China for manufacturing andIt does seem like China's economy is ready to collapse in some way, as
per my response to Dr What, it looks like China's regional governments' over reliance on borrowing to fund real estate projects which they try
to sell for a profit has failed badly... I wonder how they'll try to fix that mess.
Player of Games - Felt a little too focused on the local/micro and not enough on the macroI get what you are saying however I did enjoy that story for what it was - special circumstances being their usual sneaky selves & using the main character's talent for understanding and winning games to break apart a totalitarian society. I was interesting seeing how said society started coming apart at the seems it becomes more and more difficult for them to ignore the fact that their great games on which they model their awful society could be won by an alien from another culture.
Use of Weapons - Felt too focused on the individual and less on the broader canvas that he found himself in
Inversions - Didn't even feel like it belonged in the series, I'm never mg> a fan when scifi goes all fantasy/medieval and I believe this one wasI don't recall reading that one.
the one with the cat people? Just felt out of place
All very good points and the last one is something overlooked so often when people claim that China is relatively debt-free compared to the
west, ignoring or being ignorant of the fact that China's debt is distributed federally, provincially and municipally instead of just at
the federal level. Putting all level of debt together China's on par or worse with most western nation in pure numbers but seemingly much much worse in terms of sustainability. It really does look like a house of cards that's starting to crumble. There is a youtube channel called
tl;dr News that has some good short pieces on this. They are stuck in this spiral, partly exaccerbated by Ping's semi-religious hatred for western consumerism, trapping them in this reliance on a low-wage export driven economy. I haven't heard of any reasonable solution so far to
get them out of this quagmire, have you?
cards that's starting to crumble. There is a youtube channel called tl;dr News that has some good short pieces on this. They are stuck iproviding high value financial and technical services. The former would require changes to how they run their economy - none of this currency manipulation and fixed exchange rate rate nonsense thank you very much.
Sounds very much like what the author Ian M Banks envisioned as "The Culture" in his Culture sci-fi series. Have you read any of his work?
The Culture works pretty much as you describe... and yes occasionally
the AIs do get corrupted or at least take actions that are somewhat unexpected.
Found that video I was thinking about, wrong channel but deals a lot in what we are talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7SVsqg4Jzk&t=30s
Channel I subscribe to on youtube put this out today, thought you'd
enjoy it: https://youtu.be/0MOZubzNO6c?si=tY0u7i1LxBcQZ06E
Found that video I was thinking about, wrong channel but deals a lot in what we are talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7SVsqg4Jzk&t=30s
I watched it a couple of days ago . That is quite an interesting video which synthesizes a lot of the sporadic info I have come across regarding China's realestate collapse and their demographic collapse.
I did not realize how heavily Chinese families were investing in realestate. I though it was just the local governments.. the whole thing (as described
by the video you linked) sounds like a giant ponzi scheme, one that has collapsed quite spectacularly.
That gotta hurt & its hardly surprising that Chinese families are not willing to spend more than they have to.. which is going to make increasing GDP & economic recovery that much harder for China.
I really wonder how they will pull themselves out of this mess.
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I watched it a couple of days ago . That is quite an interesting video which synthesizes a lot of the sporadic info I have come across
regarding China's realestate collapse and their demographic collapse.
I did not realize how heavily Chinese families were investing in realestate. I though it was just the local governments.. the whole thing (as described by the video you linked) sounds like a giant ponzi scheme, one that has collapsed quite spectacularly.
That gotta hurt & its hardly surprising that Chinese families are not willing to spend more than they have to.. which is going to make
I really wonder how they will pull themselves out of this mess.
Hey Victoria though we'd best move that conversation about communism
from FSX to here.
I am a Marxist-Leninist... aka communist/bolshevik/(derogaatory byultra
leftists and liberals) tankieproduction ma>seized
I am a super strong avocate for 20th century Socialism
which is worker's state, centrally planned economy, means of
by workers, and no markets
Though I'm definitely on the left, I'd have to say that history & the
soviet union's failure to keep up with the west illustrate that a
centrally planned economy just doesn't work well.
under capitalism there is severe exploitationlive off ma> the
under socialism exploitation is non existant
exploitation is where someone who dose not contribute to society
labor of others. aka the capitalist. they live off the labor becausethey ma> own
the factories etc. aka the means of production
Again history shows that just isn't the case, at uni I met a number of Russian and east european academics all of whom had horror stories of how just how exploitative Russia's socalist state was to its people.
Similarly I know several Chinese Ex-Pats who say similar things about
the CCP & how things are run in China.
How do you envisage a new communist partly/state avoiding this?
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Again history shows that just isn't the case, at uni I met a number of Russian and east european academics all of whom had horror stories of how just how exploitative Russia's socalist state was to its people.
Similarly I know several Chinese Ex-Pats who say similar things about
the CCP & how things are run in China.
How do you envisage a new communist partly/state avoiding this?
7) Saving is what Capitalism does better than Communism. Capitalists don't consume everything they produce. China has been saving, and so Communism has apparently worked out a bit there.
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