• Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene

    From Citadel BBS History@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Feb 15 22:25:22 2023
    "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
    without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
    is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
    more than noise and friction to the open source community."

    Citadel: a storied history https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html

    TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.


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  • From Blue-Maned_Hawk@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Feb 16 10:05:41 2023
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  • From John Levine@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Feb 16 13:33:46 2023
    According to Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
    is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
    more than noise and friction to the open source community."

    ​When you use the term "communist" against someone derogatorily, do you >use it with the literal definition term in mind, or do you use it as a >generic insult, regardless of its literal definition?

    Stallman is the guy behind the Gnu Public License, which is intended
    to force software to be freely sharable rather than sold so in that
    sense I suppose you might argue that he's opposed to private property.
    But as far as I know, that's just about software. As anyone familiar
    with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
    copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
    just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.

    So in this case I think it's "communist" in the sense of "poopyhead".
    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From Vir Campestris@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Feb 16 23:23:30 2023
    On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:
    As anyone familiar
    with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
    copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
    just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.

    Back in those days there was no portable software.

    IAC software was just a way to help sell the hardware.

    Andy

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  • From Jim Jackson@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Feb 17 08:59:00 2023
    On 2023-02-16, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
    According to Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
    is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
    more than noise and friction to the open source community."

    ???When you use the term "communist" against someone derogatorily, do you >>use it with the literal definition term in mind, or do you use it as a >>generic insult, regardless of its literal definition?

    Stallman is the guy behind the Gnu Public License, which is intended
    to force software to be freely sharable rather than sold ...

    Not quite. You can sell it. From the GPL 2, second paragraph ...

    "When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not
    price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you
    have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for
    this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it
    if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it
    in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things."

    .... so in that
    sense I suppose you might argue that he's opposed to private property.
    But as far as I know, that's just about software. As anyone familiar
    with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
    copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
    just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
    So in this case I think it's "communist" in the sense of "poopyhead".

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  • From John Levine@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Feb 17 09:26:20 2023
    According to Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>:
    On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:
    As anyone familiar
    with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
    copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
    just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.

    Back in those days there was no portable software.

    Um, the entire point of COBOL was to be portable, and people were
    certainly moving Fortran programs from one kind of machine to another
    by 1960. You might want to brush up on your history.

    Hint: the CO stands for COmmon.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From Anthk@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Feb 17 10:26:48 2023
    On 2023-02-15, Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
    "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source" without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
    is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
    more than noise and friction to the open source community."

    Citadel: a storied history https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html

    TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.


    Eh, GuixSD it's far more revolutionary than these old-fashioned dickheads.
    And Emacs interface for the blind, Emacspeak, it's far ahead of everything.

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Feb 17 12:13:24 2023
    On 2023-02-16, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

    According to Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>:

    On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:

    As anyone familiar
    with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
    copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business
    did just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.

    Back in those days there was no portable software.

    Um, the entire point of COBOL was to be portable, and people were
    certainly moving Fortran programs from one kind of machine to another
    by 1960. You might want to brush up on your history.

    Hint: the CO stands for COmmon.

    Still, as with everything else, IBM did its best to add proprietary
    extensions to lock people in. (Yes, that's one more "innovation"
    that Microsoft didn't invent.) But if you were careful you could
    write in a fairly portable dialect.

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Feb 18 09:52:58 2023
    In article <tsifaj$2o79$1@news.cyber23.de>,
    Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
    [snip drivel]
    "Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene"?

    I'm no Stallman fan, but... Who cares what the
    "BBS Scene" thinks of him?

    - Dan C.


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