• Small bug

    From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to g00r00 on Sat Dec 10 12:03:21 2022
    This was picked up by sysop Audrius Puplinskas..

    In the final A47 release if you opt to run global editor and look at 'base type' you'll see the use of Echomail is still present when it should read 'Networked'

    Best, Paul

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to g00r00 on Sat Dec 31 11:18:46 2022
    On 30 Dec 2022 at 06:54p, g00r00 pondered and said...

    In the final A47 release if you opt to run global editor and look at 'base type' you'll see the use of Echomail is still present when it should read 'Networked'

    Fixed in the next build! Thank you!

    No prob, and hello and welcome back.

    Just wondering if you envisage a new release on the website soon? I've been holding off updating videos etc. as I wondered if something may be coming out towards year end again? No stress if not, but if you could let me know what you're thinking re time lines and that will help steer what I may/may not do for new videos etc.

    Thanks!

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Paul Hayton on Fri Dec 30 16:54:59 2022
    In the final A47 release if you opt to run global editor and look at
    'base type' you'll see the use of Echomail is still present when it
    should read 'Networked'

    Fixed in the next build! Thank you!

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Paul Hayton on Fri Dec 30 17:40:06 2022
    No prob, and hello and welcome back.

    Thanks. I am not 100% back to my old pace yet but I am going to be making an effort to ramp up on development more.

    Just wondering if you envisage a new release on the website soon? I've been holding off updating videos etc. as I wondered if something may be coming out towards year end again? No stress if not, but if you could

    My original plan for all of 2022 was to release 1.12 on December 17th for the 25th anniversary of Mystic. Unfortunately as you know I had to step away from my usual pace for a good chunk of this year.

    I am pretty disappointed that I missed that date, but I didn't feel comfortable
    releasing A48 (let alone 1.12) because I am not up to speed with how its been working (or not working) for the community.

    I still want to get A48 out sooner than later, so I just need to get feedback from those in the community using it to see how its holding up compared to A47.

    I did have some additional plans cooking for the 25th anniversary but all of it
    had to be put on the back burner.

    If you have been using A48 or have heard any rumblings I would love to hear your thoughts on things.

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  • From Al DeRosa@1:267/157 to g00r00 on Fri Dec 30 18:43:48 2022
    On 30 Dec 2022, g00r00 said the following...


    I still want to get A48 out sooner than later, so I just need to get feedback from those in the community using it to see how its holding up compared to A47.


    Hi g00r00, I have been running A48 now for a few months, other then having some
    issues with semaphores not getting deleted after incoming network transfers every once in a while, it has been running pretty well. The semaphore issue also was happening quite a bit when I had my call out time scheduled for the top of the hour at the same time most of my hubs were calling into me. At first
    I took to just running an event schedule to delete the semaphores every hour, then Paulie420 had mentioned that you said that wasn't a good way to go. So I changed my time for calling my hubs to later on and it cleared up only happening now once in awhile.. When it does happen, I just shut down run ./mis poll killbusy and it will kill the semaphores in the separate outbound directories that are stuck, then I run a ./mutil in and everything backed up tosses...

    Other then that, it runs very well for me, I ran it on Windows first then did a
    conversion to Linux and it is still good to go...

    Hope that helps a bit if you need any more info please don't hesitate to ask..

    AL


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  • From Mike Fenton@1:229/310 to g00r00 on Fri Dec 30 19:02:10 2022
    If you have been using A48 or have heard any rumblings I would love to hear your thoughts on things.

    Welcome back g00r00!

    Small issues I've noticed.

    - New Users are not getting their assigned startup menus
    - User Chat Backspacing isn't working

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Mike Fenton on Fri Dec 30 19:31:15 2022
    - New Users are not getting their assigned startup menus
    - User Chat Backspacing isn't working

    Thanks for the feedback.

    I did see some stuff about chat and I did fix up some chat bugs (specifically related to the user to user split screen chat). I just hadn't had a chance to release the newer build.

    I just put it up now if you want to test it.

    For the assigned startup menu if you can test it with the latest A48 and let me
    know I would appreciate it. I may have already fixed it and forgot. Or if you
    can explain how I can reproduce it I'll see if I can get it to happen here and get it sorted out right away.

    Thanks!

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Al DeRosa on Fri Dec 30 19:25:00 2022
    well. The semaphore issue also was happening quite a bit when I had my call out time scheduled for the top of the hour at the same time most of my hubs were calling into me. At first I took to just running an event

    Thank you for the feedback, it is much appreciated.

    I think what I need to do is to set up my BBS again so that its running with networks crashing messages to me. I hope that way I'll see it happening and I can get this resolved.

    You are right that deleting the semaphores automatically can cause some problems too in cases where they should be there. Its kind of a grey area though considering they are also getting stuck for you.

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to g00r00 on Fri Dec 30 17:19:36 2022
    In the final A47 release if you opt to run global editor and look at 'base type' you'll see the use of Echomail is still present when it should read 'Networked'

    Fixed in the next build! Thank you!

    w00t; great to see you posting in fido - cheers, r0ckstar.



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to g00r00 on Fri Dec 30 17:21:00 2022
    If you have been using A48 or have heard any rumblings I would love to hear your thoughts on things.

    Its been pretty smooth, after your last round of bug fixes before the break - theres been no HUGE issues that I've experienced.



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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to paul lee on Fri Dec 30 21:27:25 2022
    If you have been using A48 or have heard any rumblings I would love t hear your thoughts on things.

    Its been pretty smooth, after your last round of bug fixes before the break - theres been no HUGE issues that I've experienced.

    Awesome thanks for the feedback, Paulie!

    I'll have to see about getting the macOS side in order so we can get an A48 out
    the door sooner than later!

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  • From Mike Fenton@1:229/310 to g00r00 on Mon Jan 2 09:30:20 2023
    I did see some stuff about chat and I did fix up some chat bugs (specifically related to the user to user split screen chat). I just hadn't had a chance to release the newer build.

    Backspace appears to be working now. Thanks!

    For the assigned startup menu if you can test it with the latest A48 and let me know I would appreciate it. I may have already fixed it and forgot. Or if you can explain how I can reproduce it I'll see if I can get it to happen here and get it sorted out right away.

    So this still is broken. Basically, sign in as a new user and once the user is validated to the new security level with a different menu assigned, the menu never gets assigned. So once the user tries to login again he will get a 'Error
    loading .mnu'

    When checking the user, the Start Menu is empty.

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Mike Fenton on Tue Jan 3 14:17:36 2023
    So this still is broken. Basically, sign in as a new user and once the user is validated to the new security level with a different menu assigned, the menu never gets assigned. So once the user tries to login again he will get a 'Error loading .mnu'

    When checking the user, the Start Menu is empty.

    The start menu is no longer copied to the user's record like it used to be when
    a user is upgraded so that part is normal. Instead, it now pulls the menu name
    from their security level and has some different logic. There is a note about this in the whatsnew for more details.

    I'll try to reproduce it here tonight if I get the time.

    If you want to diagnose more on your side, here are some things to try:

    1) Check logs to see what it says when it can't load the menu.
    2) Check system config > start menu and confirm the value is what you want
    3) Check the user's start menu and make sure its actually blank and not a null 4) Check the user's security level to make sure there is a start menu defined or that its truly blank and not set to a space or null character.

    The logic is basically:

    If user has a non-blank start menu, use that.
    If user start menu is blank, then load menu from user's security profile.
    If user security profile start menu is blank, then load Config > Start Menu

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  • From Mike Fenton@1:229/310 to g00r00 on Wed Jan 4 04:39:47 2023
    1) Check logs to see what it says when it can't load the menu.

    2023.01.04 06:37:07 Setting start menu:
    2023.01.04 06:37:07 Error loading menu:
    2023.01.04 06:37:07 Shutting down

    2) Check system config > start menu and confirm the value is what you

    The start menu under system config is correct and what I want.

    want 3) Check the user's start menu and make sure its actually blank and

    User's start menu becomes blank instead of using the one defined in the security level.

    not a null 4) Check the user's security level to make sure there is a

    Security Level has the correct start menu defined.

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Mike Fenton on Wed Jan 4 09:27:16 2023
    1) Check logs to see what it says when it can't load the menu.

    2023.01.04 06:37:07 Setting start menu:
    2023.01.04 06:37:07 Error loading menu:
    2023.01.04 06:37:07 Shutting down

    Can you upgrade to the latest build in prealpha when you have time and check the logs again. I changed it to show where its taking the menu value from which should help me get to the bottom of the issue.

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  • From Mike Fenton@1:229/310 to g00r00 on Wed Jan 4 11:35:37 2023
    Can you upgrade to the latest build in prealpha when you have time and check the logs again. I changed it to show where its taking the menu value from which should help me get to the bottom of the issue.

    ------------------- Node 1 (Mystic v1.12 A48 2023/01/04)
    2023.01.04 13:33:01 Connect from 10.1.1.124 (Unknown)
    2023.01.04 13:33:01 Country: Unknown
    2023.01.04 13:33:01 Set time left 15
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 todd logged in
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 Set time left 60
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 Setting time left to 60
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 Setting menu to "" (Security start menu)
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 Error loading menu:
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 Shutting down

    You can also just go into the user and do a CTRL+U select the security level and it never changes the start menu for the user.

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Mike Fenton on Wed Jan 4 13:03:53 2023
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 Setting time left to 60
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 Setting menu to "" (Security start menu)
    2023.01.04 13:33:16 Error loading menu:

    You can also just go into the user and do a CTRL+U select the security level and it never changes the start menu for the user.

    I was able to find the issue with that logging, thank you! I am uploading a new build now which will include the fix.

    As far as it not updating the user field when you upgrade the user security level, thats expected behavior. Older versions would copy the start menu from the security into the user record, but now it just pulls the menu name directly
    from the security record.

    The reason for the change is because if you wanted to change the start menu for
    a security level in the past you'd have to then go into each user's record and update their start menu field. Now you can blank out all of the user's start menu fields and let it pull the menu from the system default or their security profile. You'd only set the start menu directly on the user's record if you really wanted them to have their own custom start menu.

    Hope I was able to explain that in a way that made sense lol.

    On login:

    If user record has a start menu defined, Mystic will use it. If not, it will check their security level profile and use the start menu defined there. If that is also blank, it will then use the default start menu defined in System Configuration > General settings.

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to g00r00 on Thu Jan 5 07:52:53 2023
    On 04 Jan 2023 at 03:03p, g00r00 pondered and said...

    As far as it not updating the user field when you upgrade the user security level, thats expected behavior. Older versions would copy the start menu from the security into the user record, but now it just pulls the menu name directly from the security record.

    The reason for the change is because if you wanted to change the start menu for a security level in the past you'd have to then go into each user's record and update their start menu field. Now you can blank out all of the user's start menu fields and let it pull the menu from the system default or their security profile. You'd only set the start menu directly on the user's record if you really wanted them to have their
    own custom start menu.

    Hope I was able to explain that in a way that made sense lol.

    I think I'll put up something in the FAQ about this as it seems to be something
    that folks may need some further education / awareness on.

    Your explanation makes sense to me but for those of us using Mystic for a while
    I can see how what was a previously filled field now blank may be concerning.

    What I think this will do is make folks more aware of the setup / settings in the defined security areas.

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  • From Mike Fenton@1:229/310 to g00r00 on Wed Jan 4 14:21:37 2023
    I was able to find the issue with that logging, thank you! I am
    uploading a new build now which will include the fix.

    Sweet! I'll grab it now.

    As far as it not updating the user field when you upgrade the user security level, thats expected behavior. Older versions would copy the start menu from the security into the user record, but now it just pulls the menu name directly from the security record.

    The reason for the change is because if you wanted to change the start menu for a security level in the past you'd have to then go into each user's record and update their start menu field. Now you can blank out all of the user's start menu fields and let it pull the menu from the system default or their security profile. You'd only set the start menu directly on the user's record if you really wanted them to have their
    own custom start menu.

    Hope I was able to explain that in a way that made sense lol.


    Makes perfect sense. There was something else related to this kind of change to. A mass way of updating users security levels? Any way of doing that. I'm getting of topic, but curious.

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Paul Hayton on Wed Jan 4 14:23:29 2023
    I think I'll put up something in the FAQ about this as it seems to be something that folks may need some further education / awareness on.

    It couldn't hurt. It should be somewhere in there thats for sure. FAQ might make sense and then when it comes time to document the start menu fields in System Config, Security editor, user editor, etc it can link back to that FAQ?

    I did discuss it in the whatsnew also.

    At least in this case I don't think Mike was confused, it was just that Mystic wasn't working correctly. Should be fixed now and now the logging is better too because of it, which will only help.

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Mike Fenton on Wed Jan 4 16:13:03 2023
    Makes perfect sense. There was something else related to this kind of change to. A mass way of updating users security levels? Any way of
    doing that. I'm getting of topic, but curious.

    There isn't a global user editor for some reason. I don't really remember why I never made one considering things like Echomail nodes, msg/file bases all have them.

    I don't want to work on it before A48 at this point since I'd like to get this thing released sooner than later, but I think it could be something that I focus on early in A49

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to g00r00 on Thu Jan 5 10:34:47 2023
    On 04 Jan 2023 at 04:23p, g00r00 pondered and said...

    It couldn't hurt. It should be somewhere in there thats for sure. FAQ might make sense and then when it comes time to document the start menu fields in System Config, Security editor, user editor, etc it can link back to that FAQ?

    I did discuss it in the whatsnew also.

    Yep, all good. I did take from that explanation and use it in the FAQ :)

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Mike Fenton on Wed Jan 4 17:53:16 2023
    Alright don't mean to add more to your list.

    All good. I'm always open to suggestions!

    I have some other questions, unrelated to this.
    I will create a new message.

    Sounds good!

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  • From Mike Fenton@1:229/310 to g00r00 on Wed Jan 4 17:02:20 2023
    On 04 Jan 2023, g00r00 said the following...

    Makes perfect sense. There was something else related to this kind of change to. A mass way of updating users security levels? Any way of doing that. I'm getting of topic, but curious.

    There isn't a global user editor for some reason. I don't really
    remember why I never made one considering things like Echomail nodes, msg/file bases all have them.

    I don't want to work on it before A48 at this point since I'd like to
    get this thing released sooner than later, but I think it could be something that I focus on early in A49


    Alright don't mean to add more to your list.

    I have some other questions, unrelated to this.

    I will create a new message.

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