• Re: Tech: Please Help / NSM Firebird Jukebox Volume Issue

    From slim grossheim@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Mar 19 23:38:26 2023
    On Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 9:34:07=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, angel-care wrote:
    On Aug 1, 6:37 am, McDuseldick <mcduseld...@googlemail.com> wrote:
    On 13 Jun., 01:20, postman516 <postman...@aol.com> wrote:





    On Jun 12, 7:43 am, KR <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Jun 12, 2:29 pm, postman516 <postman...@aol.com> wrote:

    Hello, i just bought an NSM Firebird wallbox that had no manual &=
    i am
    not happy with the volume i am getting from it. I am using Yamaha bookshelf 8 ohm speakers and have the neg hooked to terminal 0 an=
    d the
    pos to terminal 5 on each side of the transformer. I would say th=
    e
    Volume is pretty low and when i try to turn the volume up or down using the volume on the control board it does nothing to help the matter. I also noticed the 3 buttons on the bottom of the box als=
    o do
    not raise or lower the volume. So basically, right now i am stuck=
    with
    a fixed volume. I tried hooking the wires direct to the amp bypas=
    sing
    the transformer but this also did not help. Do you think i need a=
    new
    transformer and would this solve my problem? I see some newer box=
    es
    have a 7 lug transformer as well. Would that one give me more vol=
    ume
    and would it work in my firebird wall box? Sorry about all the questions but i am not sure what the problem is nor what the transformers function truly is? The guy i bought it from knows no=
    thing
    about the box at all. Thanks for any help regarding this matter! =
    Mike
    in FL

    The transformers are probably the output transformers for the amplifier. The taps represent wattage
    levels, that are used to match speakers (or series/parallel groups =
    of
    speakers) to the amplifier and avoid overloading it. The transforme=
    r
    probably generates a 70v / 100v line for 500 ohm PA type speakers t=
    oo.
    (these will have a transformer on the back of them with wattage tap=
    s
    on them.)

    I doubt that the transformer is a problem, the sound would probably=
    be
    distorted / overloaded. In other brands, I have NEVER had an output transformer fail on a solid state amp. You can disconnect it from t=
    he
    amp and run a speaker direct if you want, just to eliminate it.

    The other possibility is blown output stage, this can result in low volumes, but there would be distortion, and probably blown fuses to
    the output transistors.

    I don't know how the volume control system works on these things. I=
    f
    it is done with buttons, it either drives a motorised pot, (this
    should be visibly connected to the amplifier / preamp board) or run=
    s
    via the CPU or to the amp, and then to a "volume control" IC on the Amplifier Preamp board. it may also run to the amp, and control the volume directly via a special IC.

    Either way, something along this chain is broken, you will need a schematic or to identify and look up preamp the IC part numbers on =
    the
    web and identify how it all works and deal with it from there.- Hid=
    e quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    I have found a wire harness that was cut and left in the box
    that has 4 wires in it brown, blue, green and orange. They connect to
    the vol up, vol down & the cancel button at the bottom of the box but
    i do not see anyplace that they would connect at? I was looking at possibly St-206 on the preamp board as that is open on my box and has four pins. Can anyone take a look at and let me know if i
    should have a connector on at St-206 and what order the colors should
    be from top to bottom, it would be much appreciated. Thanks alot for
    your help! Mike in Fl

    P.S. This box is the original firebird & has Es-IV boards in it- Ziti=
    erten Text ausblenden -

    - Zitierten Text anzeigen -

    check out this one

    http://www.cdadapter.com/download/nsmcode4.pdf

    regards

    Ron- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -
    Mike,
    The vol. control in the box connects to the central computer at ST
    206. If you had a remote vol. control it would connect to ST 205,
    with a 5-wire connection.
    As for connections, pin 1 is orange, pin 2 - green, pin 3 - brown and
    pin 4 - black. Don't have any Firebirds here, otherwise I'd take a
    pic. but still have manuals.
    Hope this helps,
    Gene
    where are the pins located to hook up i have the wire but no plug on the en=
    d

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  • From slim grossheim@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Mar 21 04:27:34 2023
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:55:15=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote=
    :
    On 2023/03/19 5:38 a.m., slim grossheim wrote:=20
    On Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 9:34:07=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, angel-care wro=
    te:=20
    On Aug 1, 6:37 am, McDuseldick <mcduseld...@googlemail.com> wrote:=20
    On 13 Jun., 01:20, postman516 <postman...@aol.com> wrote:=20
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    On Jun 12, 7:43 am, KR <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:=20
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    On Jun 12, 2:29 pm, postman516 <postman...@aol.com> wrote:=20
    =20
    Hello, i just bought an NSM Firebird wallbox that had no manual & =
    i am=20
    not happy with the volume i am getting from it. I am using Yamaha=
    =20
    bookshelf 8 ohm speakers and have the neg hooked to terminal 0 and=
    the=20
    pos to terminal 5 on each side of the transformer. I would say the=
    =20
    Volume is pretty low and when i try to turn the volume up or down=
    =20
    using the volume on the control board it does nothing to help the=
    =20
    matter. I also noticed the 3 buttons on the bottom of the box also=
    do=20
    not raise or lower the volume. So basically, right now i am stuck =
    with=20
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    the transformer but this also did not help. Do you think i need a =
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    on them.)=20
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    I doubt that the transformer is a problem, the sound would probably=
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    transformer fail on a solid state amp. You can disconnect it from t=
    he=20
    amp and run a speaker direct if you want, just to eliminate it.=20 >>>=20
    The other possibility is blown output stage, this can result in low=
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    volumes, but there would be distortion, and probably blown fuses to=
    =20
    the output transistors.=20
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    I don't know how the volume control system works on these things. I=
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    via the CPU or to the amp, and then to a "volume control" IC on the=
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    =20
    volume directly via a special IC.=20
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    Either way, something along this chain is broken, you will need a=
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    schematic or to identify and look up preamp the IC part numbers on =
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    web and identify how it all works and deal with it from there.- Hid=
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    I have found a wire harness that was cut and left in the box=20
    that has 4 wires in it brown, blue, green and orange. They connect t=
    o=20
    the vol up, vol down & the cancel button at the bottom of the box bu=
    t=20
    i do not see anyplace that they would connect at? I was looking at=
    =20
    possibly St-206 on the preamp board as that is open on my box and ha=
    s=20
    four pins. Can anyone take a look at and let me know if i=20
    should have a connector on at St-206 and what order the colors shoul=
    d=20
    be from top to bottom, it would be much appreciated. Thanks alot for=
    =20
    your help! Mike in Fl=20
    =20
    P.S. This box is the original firebird & has Es-IV boards in it- Zit=
    ierten Text ausblenden -=20
    =20
    - Zitierten Text anzeigen -=20
    =20
    check out this one=20
    =20
    http://www.cdadapter.com/download/nsmcode4.pdf=20
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    Ron- Hide quoted text -=20
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    Mike,=20
    The vol. control in the box connects to the central computer at ST=20
    206. If you had a remote vol. control it would connect to ST 205,=20
    with a 5-wire connection.=20
    As for connections, pin 1 is orange, pin 2 - green, pin 3 - brown and=
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    pin 4 - black. Don't have any Firebirds here, otherwise I'd take a=20
    pic. but still have manuals.=20
    Hope this helps,=20
    Gene=20
    where are the pins located to hook up i have the wire but no plug on th=
    e end
    You aren't likely to get an answer from the OP (Gene) from back in 2009.=
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    However I suspect you are looking for a DIN style plug - that was what=20
    NSM often used for audio connections including volume controls.=20
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    Expand a bit on your particular problem and include the model and=20
    exactly what you are looking for if the above is not enough information..=
    ..=20
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    John :-#)#=20
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    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    i have a firebird 2 and i have the wires which are hooked at the buttons un= derneath but i dont know where they connect to on the=20
    board no plug just the wires orange blue brown and green

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