On 10/25/2022 1:14 PM, philo wrote:

On 10/17/22 8:07 AM, philo wrote:

I friend had an old Win7 machine that I replaced with a five year old Win10 machine and used his old wireless adapter. Windows automatically installed it and I tested it by doing all the Windows updates.
Seemed fine but it would not connect to most websites.

I never saw such a thing.
When I had a look at his Won7 machine I noticed the wireless was working fine with the factory provided drivers whose interface took over for Windows drivers.

Just curious as to what kind of odd security the factory drivers contained. Rather then mess around with it, I just used another wireless adapter since I had a box full of them.

I decided to run a few tests.
On a Win10 machine I decided to try the adapter using the mfg's drivers and even with them, I ended up with the same negative results.

I then decided to go through all the wireless adapters in my junk box and found a few older ones that also gave negative results.

Of note is that a few of them had previously worked with Win10 several versions back.

All I can say is that Win10 must have increased something in their security protocol.

I really see no need to investigate,
at least I know which h/w I have that will do the job

Intel tells us, some changes Microsoft made to what Wifi features
are supported. The manufacturers are supposed to fall into line.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000023257/wireless.html

"Wireless Hosted Network, Also known as Soft AP

Ad-hoc networks, Also known as Independent Basic Service Set (IBSS)
Allow two or more Wi-Fi clients to connect to each other directly,
without a wireless access point

...new driver model for W10... no longer supports Soft AP and IBSS.

They do support the new Windows 10 mobile hotspot feature instead
via Wi-Fi Direct:

When you set that up, the connection from one PC to another, is similar
to ICS (Internet Connection Sharing). This basically "ties the second PC
to the Internet so Microsoft can sniff it", versus the old way where
two PCs could connect to one another, with absolutely no connection
to teh Internets. However, in the old way, you'd have to define
gateways, DNS or whatever, IP address, manually, which is... do-able
but annoying. And that is only, if say, you wanted to connect two
PCs and do the equivalent of LapLink between them (a transfer of some sort).

I doubt this has anything to do with your symptoms, but at least
you can tuck that link away in your bookmarks for later.

*******

Microsoft also has the ability to block certain drivers. I don't
see any driver that affects you there.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/how-a-microsoft-blunder-opened-millions-of-pcs-to-potent-malware-attacks/

Paul

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