I feel sorry for people who install Firefox on Windows who don't know computers well as Firefox "should" work well with Windows, but doesn't.
Here's what happened moments ago to me on Windows 10 with Firefox where I
set up any given web browser for only one web site and I was changing that single web site for Firefox so I had to wipe out the old Firefox and start anew with a fresh Firefox on Windows 10 when I ran into the following...
I deleted the old Firefox using the standard Windows method:
Win+I > Apps > Firefix > Uninstall
I download the latest full installer using the standard method:
<https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/>
<https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/desktop-release/win64/en-US/>
<https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/133.0/win64/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%20133.0.exe>
That full download is saved into the standard archive directory:
D:\archive\browser\firefox\20241129_Firefox Setup 133.0.exe
Name: 20241129_Firefox Setup 133.0.exe
Size: 68357856 bytes (65 MiB)
SHA256: 0208DEA91244F3DE498C59E3B23CBF6ACE7D70B02B0468D849529BE2B8A68F1A
I set it up using the common custom directory that most people use.
(_)Standard
(o)Custom
Change from: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\
Change to: C:\apps\browsers\firefox
[_]Install Maintenance Service
[x]Launch Firefox now
That launches Firefox from the standard target location:
Target: C:\apps\browsers\firefox\firefox.exe
WTF?
Profile Missing
Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible.
Every time I hit the desktop shortcut, Firefox shuts down with that error.
So I search to find out that almost everyone gets that error with Firefox. <https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=Profile+Missing++Your+Firefox+profile+cannot+be+loaded.+It+may+be+missing+or+inaccessible>
Let's take this article:
*How to run Firefox when your profile is missing or inaccessible*
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-run-firefox-when-profile-missing-inaccessible>
Here's the recommended solution:
Win+R > %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles
Delete everything you find there (it's all utter garbage anyway)
Win+R > %appdata% (which takes you to C:\Users\user\AppData\Roaming)
Blow away the entire "Mozilla" directory (again, it's all garbage anyway).
Or, if you're using SeaMonkey, just blow away just the "Firefox" folder.
Now restart Firefox from the desktop shortcut.
Target: C:\apps\browsers\firefox\firefox.exe
Finally Firefox works.
It says at the top:
Looks like you've reinstalled Firefox. Want us to clean it up for a fresh,
like-new experience? [Refresh Firefox...]
And it says in the middle of the page the following:
"We love keeping you safe"
[x]Pin Firefox to taskbar
[x]Set Firefox as default browser
[x]Import from previous browser
Unset every one of those before moving on with "Save and continue".
Skip this step" a few times, and then you can go to the settings.
Set it up for privacy and now you have Firefox finally running.
I feel sorry for people who install Firefox on Windows who don't know computers well as Firefox "should" work well with Windows, but doesn't.
If I am updating Firefox, I never uninstall the previous version.
I delete everything in the directory with the "firefox.exe" file.
I use 7-Zip to open the downloaded setup file.
I copy everything from the "core" folder to the empty directory.
This method always works for me.
I feel sorry for people who install Firefox on Windows who don't know computers well as Firefox "should" work well with Windows, but doesn't.
whole point that Firefox
doesn't actually work well for anyone who doesn't know Windows rather well.
On 29/11/2024 21:49, Andrew wrote:
whole point that Firefox
doesn't actually work well for anyone who doesn't know Windows rather well.
The above statement is rather oxymoron. If people "don't know windows
rather well" then they are unlikely to use Firefox because they might
not have heard of it in the first place. Windows has its own browser inter-twined with the operating system and it works very well on all websites around the globe.
On 29/11/2024 21:49, Andrew wrote:
whole point that Firefox
doesn't actually work well for anyone who doesn't know Windows rather
well.
The above statement is rather oxymoron. If people "don't know windows
rather well" then they are unlikely to use Firefox because they might
not have heard of it in the first place.
Windows has its own browser inter-twined with the operating system and
it works very well on all websites around the globe.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 29 Nov 2024 20:57:33 -0000 (UTC),
Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
I feel sorry for people who install Firefox on Windows who don't know
computers well as Firefox "should" work well with Windows, but doesn't.
It works for me.
What you describe below is UNINSTALLing Firefox, which is one of the
smallest parts of the FF world.
Most people never need to uninstall it.
When I want to install a new version, I wait until I get a message from Mozilla that one is available, I say Yes, you may download it (although
I could tell FF to stop asking me and just do it.), and when eventually
I close Firefox and then restart it, the installer does everything. It
takes about 15 seconds. I don't have to know or do a thing.
The icons still work. The windows, tabs, history, bookmarks, add-ons,
etc. are all still there as before.
Here's what happened moments ago to me on Windows 10 with Firefox where I
set up any given web browser for only one web site
Andrew wrote:
whole point that Firefox
doesn't actually work well for anyone who doesn't know Windows rather well.
The above statement is rather oxymoron. If people "don't know windows
rather well" then they are unlikely to use Firefox because they might
not have heard of it in the first place. Windows has its own browser inter-twined with the operating system and it works very well on all websites around the globe.
Andrew wrote:
whole point that Firefox doesn't actually work well for anyone who
doesn't
know Windows rather well.
The above statement is rather oxymoron. If people "don't know windows
rather well" then they are unlikely to use Firefox
Nice troll. Stinky bait though.
On 29/11/2024 21:49, Andrew wrote:
whole point that Firefox
doesn't actually work well for anyone who doesn't know Windows rather well.
The above statement is rather oxymoron. If people "don't know windows
rather well" then they are unlikely to use Firefox because they might
not have heard of it in the first place. Windows has its own browser inter-twined with the operating system and it works very well on all websites around the globe.
John,
Andrew wrote:
whole point that Firefox doesn't actually work well for anyone who
doesn't
know Windows rather well.
The above statement is rather oxymoron. If people "don't know windows
rather well" then they are unlikely to use Firefox
Nice troll. Stinky bait though.
I think Andrew has a point. Most users are just that: they use whats there, and have no urge to look for anything else.
The fact that there are so many Win 10 and 11 users - even though it has degraded to a thick ethernet client (someone else manages it, including deciding what you can and can't run, and doubles as an advertisement platform - where you are required to make monthly payments for the privilege to be handled like sheep) - should tell you that.
On Fri, 11/29/2024 11:22 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 29 Nov 2024 20:57:33 -0000 (UTC),
Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
I feel sorry for people who install Firefox on Windows who don't know
computers well as Firefox "should" work well with Windows, but doesn't.
It works for me.
What you describe below is UNINSTALLing Firefox, which is one of the
smallest parts of the FF world.
Most people never need to uninstall it.
When I want to install a new version, I wait until I get a message from
Mozilla that one is available, I say Yes, you may download it (although
I could tell FF to stop asking me and just do it.), and when eventually
I close Firefox and then restart it, the installer does everything. It
takes about 15 seconds. I don't have to know or do a thing.
The icons still work. The windows, tabs, history, bookmarks, add-ons,
etc. are all still there as before.
Uninstalling Firefox, should not remove a Profiles.ini or a Profiles folder.
C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox
Profiles.ini
Profiles/ <=== check the sizes of the profiles, to determine the dead ones
Those are needed on the assumption that the user is reinstalling
immediately and expects continuity.
This has always been a problem for Windows. The uninstall does not
ask
Remove only Program folder ?
Remove all traces of program, Program folder, Profiles, Registry Settings ?
It does not ask you that question, and most of the time
the first item is what it executes. The Windows user is
then expected to hoover up the remaining stuff.
Allan Higdon wrote on Fri, 29 Nov 2024 15:33:14 -0600 :
If I am updating Firefox, I never uninstall the previous version.
I delete everything in the directory with the "firefox.exe" file.
I use 7-Zip to open the downloaded setup file.
I copy everything from the "core" folder to the empty directory.
This method always works for me.
Thanks for that information where I don't disagree that most people
"update" their old Firefox when they need a new one (actually, probably
most people let the Firefox updater do that, which I always delete).
You use a more sophisticated method, but that's my whole point that Firefox doesn't actually work well for anyone who doesn't know Windows rather well.
In fact, I have to munge the firefox directory a bit to make it work well.
cd C:\apps\browsers\firefox
dir /b *.exe
crashreporter.exe
default-browser-agent.exe
firefox.exe
nmhproxy.exe
pingsender.exe
plugin-container.exe
private_browsing.exe
updater.exe
move firefox.exe firefox.exe.temp
del *.exe
move firefox.exe.temp firefox.exe
The point though wasn't people like you and me who know how to use Windows. The point was I feel sorry for anyone installing Firefox who doesn't.
....Andrew wrote:
whole point that Firefox doesn't actually work well for anyone who
doesn't know Windows rather well.
The above statement is rather oxymoron. If people "don't know windows
rather well" then they are unlikely to use Firefox
Nice troll. Stinky bait though.
I think Andrew has a point. Most users are just that: they use whats
there, and have no urge to look for anything else.
But the OP doesn't make those points.
If there's a lesson there it's 'don't change the default install location unless you know what you're doing, and expect problems if you do'.
What gave you the idea to uninstall or manually delete files?
Seems like an amazingly unbelievably weird thing to do to me.
Brian Gregory wrote on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:32:18 +0000 :
What gave you the idea to uninstall or manually delete files?
Seems like an amazingly unbelievably weird thing to do to me.
Firefox updates when I want it updated.
"R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> Wrote in message:
_Your_ points are good ones.
But the OP doesn't make those points. If there's a lesson there
it's 'don't change the default install location unless you know
what you're doing, and expect problems if you do'.
=20
Brian Gregory wrote on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:32:18 +0000 :
What gave you the idea to uninstall or manually delete files?
Seems like an amazingly unbelievably weird thing to do to me.
Firefox updates when I want it updated.=20
I feel sorry for people who install Firefox on Windows who don't know computers well as Firefox "should" work well with Windows, but doesn't.
I set it up using the common custom directory that most people use.
(_)Standard
(o)Custom
Change from: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\
Change to: C:\apps\browsers\firefox
[_]Install Maintenance Service
[x]Launch Firefox now
But the OP doesn't make those points. If there's a lesson there
it's 'don't change the default install location unless you know
what you're doing, and expect problems if you do'.
'xactly... as I pointed out.
Firefox updates when I want it updated.
So you decided to do something different just to be awkward?
There is genius in never putting anything in known default locations.[..snip..]
<https://i.postimg.cc/fT2J40RD/windows-cascade-menu.jpg>
Having come from the 1960's UNIX world where you organize a file system *before* you start loading it up with programs and settings and the like...
You know EXACTLY where Firefox is located, and it *never* has spaces in the name (so its filespec is easy to type & put in batch files). No directory
has more than 8 characters in the name (again, roots are in sheer genius).
Firefox is *always* in the same location since Windows 95 days so even your menus copied (literally copied!) over from Windows XP work fine in Win10!
Everything you do on a computer is thought about strategically before
you ever got that computer. This, of course, requires understanding
Windows.
You know EXACTLY where Firefox is located, and it *never* has spaces in
the name (so its filespec is easy to type & put in batch files). No
directory has more than 8 characters in the name ...
This has always been a problem for Windows. The uninstall does not ask
Remove only Program folder ?
Remove all traces of program, Program folder, Profiles, Registry
Settings ?
It does not ask you that question, and most of the time the first item
is what it executes. The Windows user is then expected to hoover up the remaining stuff.
Firefox is *always* in the same location since Windows 95 days so even your >> menus copied (literally copied!) over from Windows XP work fine in Win10![..snip..]
So my Firefox is located in "/opt/firefox-esr/firefox" - what now?
You say "Having come from the 1960's UNIX world.." why are you're whining
now about MS-Windows specialties and don't use Unix-like systems instead?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 04:25:38 -0000 (UTC) :
You know EXACTLY where Firefox is located, and it *never* has spaces
in the name (so its filespec is easy to type & put in batch files). No
directory has more than 8 characters in the name ...
Doesn't your shell have a) tab autocompletion to save typing long
names,
and b) auto-escaping of special characters in said autocompletion?
I get where you're going but you're typing the name into batch files all
the time since everything you do on a computer is only a single tap,
right?
Why not simplify things by adding one level of hiearchy?
"/opt/browsers/firefox"
"/opt/browsers/epic"
"/opt/browsers/opera"
"/opt/browsers/seamonkey"
"/opt/browsers/tor"
"/opt/browsers/iron"
"/opt/browsers/palemoon"
Everything you do on a computer is thought about strategically before
you ever got that computer. This, of course, requires understanding
Windows.
But if Microsoft itself cannot understand what is going on inside its own Windows OS, what chance does anybody else have?
I'm one of the few people in the world who can back up an entire computer perfectly and restore it, simply by copying a single folder to storage.
If I have a script that is specifically to perform some operation
involving Firefox, then I put the name 'firefox' directly in the script , and I don't have to type it at all.
It's in my $PATH:
ldo@theon:~> type -p firefox
/usr/bin/firefox
so I don't have to type its full pathname anyway.
I'm one of the few people in the world who can back up an entire computer
perfectly and restore it, simply by copying a single folder to storage.
You are also one of the few people in the world who is struggling with Firefox on windows. I feel sorry for people like you who knows
everything but don't know windows well.
It's when they default to MARKETING bullshit that it beings to bother
me.
You are also one of the few people in the world who is struggling with Firefox on windows. I feel sorry for people like you who knows
everything but don't know windows well.
On 29/11/2024 21:49, Andrew wrote:
whole point that Firefox
doesn't actually work well for anyone who doesn't know Windows rather well.
The above statement is rather oxymoron. If people "don't know windows
rather well" then they are unlikely to use Firefox because they might
not have heard of it in the first place. Windows has its own browser inter-twined with the operating system and it works very well on all websites around the globe.
On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 06:14:30 +0000, Windows User wrote:
You are also one of the few people in the world who is struggling with
Firefox on windows. I feel sorry for people like you who knows
everything but don't know windows well.
“Knowing Windows well” seems to mean “knowing how to keep up with, and evade, Microsoft’s ongoing efforts to force you to use its browser as the default”.
On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 06:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:
It's when they default to MARKETING bullshit that it beings to bother
me.
In an open-source project, such behaviour tends to get reported as a bug, and patches to fix it appear rather quickly.
I feel sorry for people who install Firefox on Windows who don't know computers well as Firefox "should" work well with Windows, but doesn't.
Brian Gregory wrote on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 21:23:28 +0000 :
Firefox updates when I want it updated.
So you decided to do something different just to be awkward?
Genius in simplicity works in wonderfully ways that are never awkward.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Mpwvz1pF/browser09.jpg>
I grew up in the IBM Mainframe days of assembly language & Fortran IV (well before Fortran 77 existed) and COBOL & PL/1 (before C existed) and then I
cut my teeth on wirewrapping Motorola 68701 microcontrollers and then programming in hex (which is easier than assembly code) before graduating
to the DEC VAX/VMS PDP11 and other computers and then onto SunOS/Solaris, well before Linux was a thing so I'm familiar with organizing file systems.
Everything you do on a computer is thought about strategically before you ever got that computer. This, of course, requires understanding Windows.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q7VC5YXV/microsoft-browsers01.jpg>
Certainly everything you do with Firefox was planned before Mozilla existed as a thing, so to speak. Because it's just a browser. It's not special.
<https://i.postimg.cc/26F7CZ7V/microsoft-browsers02.jpg>
You already have over a dozen web browsers installed on your system. Right?
<https://i.postimg.cc/D0J1tgDZ/windows-tweak.jpg>
Every one of them goes in the same place it went into way back in 2004!
C:\apps\browsers\{name of browser}
What's so "awkward" about that?
It's genius. It's simple. It's efficient. And it's decidedly NOT awkward.
You (and alone) decide where the Firefox program is going to be installed. You decided that the first day you saw Firefox, oh, way back in 2004 or so.
Just like you did with other browsers (well, M$ browsers *are* awkward).
<https://i.postimg.cc/QN6rbSQD/browser05.jpg>
Yet you knew where Firefox would be installed even *before* it existed.
Since Firefox has *always* belonged in the only folder it could go in.
Which, duh, is "C:\apps\browsers\firefox\firefox.exe" (and nowhere else!).
It may have taken you ten (or even fifteen) years to realize that each browser goes only to a single web site (for a whole bunch of reasons).
But you knew *before* Firefox even existed, where it would go.
And you knew where the menu of shortcuts would point to also.
C:\data\menus\browsers\firefox\firefox.lnk
You even knew where the archive for your Firefox installers would go.
D:\installers\browsers\firefox\{here you lose control over the name}
Notice the sheer genius of knowing where everything is before it exists.
It makes backup/restore trivial (only one directory matters on Windows).
And now to the executables...
The only executable I care about for Firefox is the one executable:
"C:\apps\browsers\firefox\firefox.exe"
Any other executable has to earn its place on my file system.
The way it earns that spot is devishly simple indeed.
You delete it.
If nothing bad happens, then you're done.
If something bad happens, you re-install Firefox & don't delete it.
Genius in simplicity of strategic design makes everything easier...
That full download is saved into the standard archive directory:
D:\archive\browser\firefox\20241129_Firefox Setup 133.0.exe
That launches Firefox from the standard target location:
Target: C:\apps\browsers\firefox\firefox.exe
Frank Miller wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 04:49:05 +0100 :
Firefox is *always* in the same location since Windows 95 days so even your >>> menus copied (literally copied!) over from Windows XP work fine in Win10! >> [..snip..]
So my Firefox is located in "/opt/firefox-esr/firefox" - what now?
Huh? It doesn't matter what you call the location. It's just a name.
What matters is all your browsers are in the same location.
Hmm... who is whining? I'm proud that I'm perhaps the only one in the world who knows exactly where everything is on my PC when most people have to use
a search engine just to find their files.
I'm one of the few people in the world who can back up an entire computer perfectly and restore it, simply by copying a single folder to storage.
I'm maybe even the only one in the world who has an archive of every installer I ever put on a computer since,
On 29/11/2024 20:57, Andrew wrote:
That full download is saved into the standard archive directory:
D:\archive\browser\firefox\20241129_Firefox Setup 133.0.exe
There is NOTHING standard about that directory.
That launches Firefox from the standard target location:
Target: C:\apps\browsers\firefox\firefox.exe
There is NOTHING standard about that directory.
*Oh WOW!*
You must be a kind of computer-god! You're "the only one"! One of the
"chosen few", who understand all this.
Which drugs do you consume? I want these just to be as genius as you are!
But your weird ideas about installing things in places where Windows doesn't, by default, protect them from changes DO NOT apply to "people
who install Firefox on Windows who don't know computers well".
That full download is saved into the standard archive directory:
D:\archive\browser\firefox\20241129_Firefox Setup 133.0.exe
There is NOTHING standard about that directory.
That launches Firefox from the standard target location:
Target: C:\apps\browsers\firefox\firefox.exe
There is NOTHING standard about that directory.
Not to mention that he claims that he already had that directory in
2004. Him naming a directory "apps" in *2004*!? Pull the other one!
...
For you to claim what you did with computers decades ago is vastly different from what you do with computers today, is patently absurd.
In fact, what you do with computers today will be the same things (most likely) that you will do with them decades from now (mark my words).
...
Why did they choose completely random profile names in the
first place?
Him naming a directory "apps" in *2004*!?
For you to claim what you did with computers decades ago is vastly
different from what you do with computers today, is patently absurd.
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 19:54:14 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:
For you to claim what you did with computers decades ago is vastly
different from what you do with computers today, is patently absurd.
Computer usage was very different in the days before the Internet.
Consider that one of the important functions of a word processor back then was the production of “mailing lists”: you put together a form letter, with placeholders for recipient-specific details like name, address etc;
then you would print multiple copies of that letter, each customized for a specific recipient, with their details coming from a database. You would
also address envelopes the same way, then stuff each letter into its corresponding envelope and mail it out.
When was the last time you did that kind of thing?
Why did they choose completely random profile names in the
first place?
Only part of the profile name is random. The rest is chosen by the user.
If you have to search to find something on your own PC, you're already doomed.
For you to claim what you did with computers decades ago is vastly
different from what you do with computers today, is patently absurd.
Computer usage was very different in the days before the Internet.
Consider that one of the important functions of a word processor back then was the production of mailing lists: you put together a form letter,
with placeholders for recipient-specific details like name, address etc; then you would print multiple copies of that letter, each customized for a specific recipient, with their details coming from a database. You would also address envelopes the same way, then stuff each letter into its corresponding envelope and mail it out.
When was the last time you did that kind of thing?
The term killer app originated in the 1980s
If you have to search to find something on your own PC, you're already
doomed.
Linux has some well-established conventions in this regard.
However, most of us started before Linux existed, where we cut our teeth
on the early forms of UNIX ...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 20:49:25 -0000 (UTC) :
For you to claim what you did with computers decades ago is vastly
different from what you do with computers today, is patently absurd.
Computer usage was very different in the days before the Internet.
Not really. You still had programs that did stuff. Just like you do
now.] archivers, browsers, cleaners, databases, editors, finances,
games, etc.
We didn't have "browsers" or "cleaners". Archivers were sometimes used to save space with people's backups, and also to upload files to BBSes for interchange with others. Backups in larger organizations were usually done to tape drives.
Games were mostly single-user, unless you were running on a multi-user system (which most people were not). Networked games were still quite
rare, and none of them worked over anything wider than a LAN. LANs themselves were very different; their main use was in accessing file/print servers. Some ran email-type applications, but these were limited to a particular organization or department.
Speaking of LANs, anybody remember what the difference was between a "baseband" and a "broadband" LAN? What kind do we use now?
We had "librarian" programs for cataloging floppy disks. These were also useful for services (really just individual people, operating on their own time) that copied freeware for users at a nominal charge (also perhaps including sending in sufficient blank floppies). There were compression programs (e.g. DriveSpace/DoubleSpace for MS-DOS) to allow fitting more files onto the hard drives of the time. Later there were operations like Walnut Creek, where you could buy CD-ROMs packed full of freeware/ shareware/etc, as well as the earliest distributions of open-source
software like Linux, BSD etc.
And don't forget modems, for connecting over phone lines to BBSes as well
as commercial online services (which charged by the hour, on the order of dollars per hour). And the accompanying comms software for accessing same. Do you still use anything you might call "comms software"?
Databases were quite different: multiuser DBMSes were only available on expensive multiuser "big iron" machines. SQL was still a novelty (not pervasive as it is now).
At one time, "multimedia" was considered quite a hot new application area for PCs.
And I can remember when spacebars on keyboards were longer, back when we
had fewer modifier keys.
Does that sound much like the present-day computing landscape to you?
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On 2 Dec 2024 12:29:07 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Him naming a directory "apps" in *2004*!?
The term ?killer app? originated in the 1980s, for a piece of software
that was so amazing, it was sufficient reason to invest in an entire computing platform.
For example, Lotus 1-2-3 was the original ?killer app? for the IBM PC.
Like Visicalc had been for the Apple II before it.
However, most of us started before Linux existed, where we cut our teeth
on the early forms of UNIX ...
So did I. But Linux has become the standard, now that all the proprietary Unixes are effectively extinct. And even Windows is playing catch-up,
trying to become more like Linux ... not very successfully.
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