I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that
I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
Ed
I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that
I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that
I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
Ed
On 01/12/2024 14:10, Ed Cryer wrote:
I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that
I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
Ed
If you are imaging the C: drive while the system is running then not everything is copied because some files are protected by the operating system while they are used.
You can create a rescue media which can be used to boot-up the machine
to clone/image the system disk.
You asked how long this has been going on. The short answer is as long
as "MOST" imaging software were created. I never backup the system disk while the machine is running. Rescue Media is what I use 100% of the time.
I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
Ed
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that
I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
I've not seen that message. Image backup, or logical (file) backup?
Some causes could be interrupted backup process, not enough space for
the backup on the destination drive, power outage even if momentary,
write error on the destination drive, interference by anti-virus
software, running high or critical priority processes that hog the CPU
so Reflect cannot function. Did you check the backup log?
Did you get a Windows update, but have not rebooted yet to ensure the
fileset was in sync that got changed?
I've been doing this same C backup for years. Suddenly the message appears. I've often restored from the image; always successfully.
Today's backup finished ok. The log just says image completed successfully.
Maybe you're right about some critical priority process running. Just a
very infrequent coincidence. I'll see what happens next time.
Ed
I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that
I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
Ed
Ed Cryer wrote:
I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that
I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
PaulNoSpam suspects a VSS error.
The Reflect folder contains file "vssfixx64.exe".
Run that and see if it helps.
Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I produced an image of my C disk today, and got an initial message that >>> I've not seen before; a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved.
How long has this been going on?
PaulNoSpam suspects a VSS error.
The Reflect folder contains file "vssfixx64.exe".
Run that and see if it helps.
The OP hasn't look at the Reflect log for the failed backup job, so the
error code noted in the article below may not be what he got:
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOWX/VSS+Error%3A+0x8004230F
I have Reflect, and it already has the vssfixx64.exe in its folder. The properties for mine says it is version 1.0.2.1. The downloaded x64 file
from the above article is the same version.
Besides the possible causes already mentioned, I didn't about the OP
using another VSS product, like ShadowProtect.
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOWX/VSS+fails+due+to+modification+by+3rd+party+software
"vssadmin list writers" will show what others there are. Nothing popped
out as obvious for Reflect's VSS writer. The names aren't all obvious. "vssadmin list providers" only shows me the one from Microsoft. At HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\VSS\Providers in
the registry, there is only 1 entry (showing the MS provider). Perhaps
a VSS provider can register themself at the time they are called.
And for an even more esoteric cause:
There are spurious errors that remain unresolved that logs won't reveal
the causes. They'll reveal an error code, but not the causes. For
example, gamma radiation can significantly disrupt the circuitry in a computer: ionizing atoms, flipping bits in memory, causing random
errors. I didn't bother to check solar history to see if there was a
recent gamma burst from the Sun, or if Earth happened to be in the
sweeping path of a pulsar. I haven't seen "radiation hardened
computers" for sale to consumers, but then I never looked since I wasn't going to spend $200K to $300K on one.
On Sun, 12/1/2024 8:15 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
And for an even more esoteric cause:
There are spurious errors that remain unresolved that logs won't reveal
the causes. They'll reveal an error code, but not the causes. For
example, gamma radiation can significantly disrupt the circuitry in a
computer: ionizing atoms, flipping bits in memory, causing random
errors. I didn't bother to check solar history to see if there was a
recent gamma burst from the Sun, or if Earth happened to be in the
sweeping path of a pulsar. I haven't seen "radiation hardened
computers" for sale to consumers, but then I never looked since I wasn't
going to spend $200K to $300K on one.
Normally, I would cast scorn on this idea, but I did have
my *wrist watch* disturbed while it was sitting on my desk
here. I wasn't watching it, but the settings were "all screwy"
and the battery was still good.
Normal energy cosmic rays, shouldn't be able to do that
on 3 micron CMOS. CMOS has high noise margins to begin
with, as logic goes, and large geometry means that
a cosmic ray, at most, should upset one bit kind of thing,
not blow the bloody doors off it.
So something energetic happened, at a guess.
Maybe a cosmic ray went through the watch sideways,
but even that would not flip everything.
The metal of the watch, should give some protection
from an RF attack (say, a microwave beam).
That's the reason I now have two wrist watches sitting
on the desk. Yet another experiment, to see if there is
ever a next time for one of these, both watches are
kicked around or not. Other devices in the room, were
not affected. It's not like all sorts of stuff dropped
at the same time.
*******
With regard to the OPs device, it has 50 bytes of error
syndrome to protect 512 bytes of data. Even if hit with
a chain saw, it should be able to correct the error
and reconstitute the data. It should still be able to boot.
If you subjected a flash device to an XRay source, you
might be able to erase part of it that way. But how many
portable XRay sources do you have around the house ?
I don't think I have anything here, to give me 40kV to work
with. The best I can do is around 15kV.
Paul
Everything looks OK. The image file is slightly larger than the previous one; the log consists of one line - image successful; ...
Ed Cryer wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
Everything looks OK. The image file is slightly larger than the previous >>> one; the log consists of one line - image successful; ...
ÿÿ You probably mean the message in the popup window of the current
backup, or in the 'Logs' *list*. But the actual log should be much
longer (not that I expect more relevant info there):
ÿÿ 'Logs' tab -> double click the relevant entry in the list (or
right-click it -> View)
(this isÿ for the last free version, 8.0.7783)
That's the stuff that rolls up the screen during runtime. And yes, all
OK. And no mention of the warning I saw (which, incidentally, had the option to "not show again"; as if it were purely informational).
I'm on version 8.0.7783 also. So it's not a recent update.
So then, why haven't I had that display previously? Strange occurrence.
^M
Ed
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/s70y6pifzb0e69wtllpok/Macrium-msg.jpg?rlkey=75kmtcripzu018e8fq84nvn3p&e=1&dl=0
The Macrium message box.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
Everything looks OK. The image file is slightly larger than the previous >>>>> one; the log consists of one line - image successful; ...
ÿÿ You probably mean the message in the popup window of the current
backup, or in the 'Logs' *list*. But the actual log should be much
longer (not that I expect more relevant info there):
ÿÿ 'Logs' tab -> double click the relevant entry in the list (or
right-click it -> View)
(this isÿ for the last free version, 8.0.7783)
That's the stuff that rolls up the screen during runtime. And yes, all
OK. And no mention of the warning I saw (which, incidentally, had the
option to "not show again"; as if it were purely informational).
I'm on version 8.0.7783 also. So it's not a recent update.
So then, why haven't I had that display previously? Strange occurrence.
^M
Ed
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/s70y6pifzb0e69wtllpok/Macrium-msg.jpg?rlkey=75kmtcripzu018e8fq84nvn3p&e=1&dl=0
The Macrium message box.
[Re-typed text of JPG file:]
"Macrium Reflect
Backup may not include all required partitions
It appears as if you are trying to create a backup of the operating system.
The current selection may not include all partitions neccessary for this.
Preceed anyway?
[ ] Do not show this again [OK] [Cancel]"
Ah, this *is* a familiar one and a bit different from what you said in
your OP, which was "a warning that parts of the operating system
wouldn't be saved", while the actual warning talks about not including
all *partitions* (not "parts").
I've only seen this warning message when creating or modifying a
Backup Definition file (Do you use a Backup Definition File?), but
perhaps it can also occur during other situations.
Anyway, as you said "I produced an image of my C disk today", the
warning message is exactly telling you that: You didn't include all the partitions needed to create a backup of your operating system, because
you didn't include the other 'boot' recovery, etc. partitions.
So if you tell us how exactly your perform your image backup, i.e. the detailed steps from starting Macrium Reflect till the actual warning
message occurs, we might be able to determine why you get the message.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/s70y6pifzb0e69wtllpok/Macrium-msg.jpg?rlkey=75kmtcripzu018e8fq84nvn3p&e=1&dl=0
The Macrium message box.
Ed
https://i.postimg.cc/N0hDy3Wc/partition-sets.gif
Paul
Paul wrote on 12/2/24 7:20 PM:
ÿÿÿÿ https://i.postimg.cc/N0hDy3Wc/partition-sets.gif
ÿÿÿ Paul
With Macrium I also choose the MSR(locsted after System, prior to Windows and WinRE partitions.
Macrium when MSR is present auto selects MSR and Recovery when choosing the image selected disks option. When choosing the option to image the partitions required to backup and restore Windows - the MSR and WinRE require user selection.
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