If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need updating.
When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me that
I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 11:24:32 +0000, Jim the Geordie
<jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need updating. >When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me that
I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

If your system is working satisfactorily don't worry about it. The
chances of getting new drivers with functional improvements for Win 10
are a bit remote. Just make sure that you keep up to date with MS
security releases, and you don't need 3rd party software for that.

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On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 05:24:32 -0600, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need updating. When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me that
I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

If Open Source Freeware is safe enough for you, there is Snappy Driver Installer Origin.
https://www.glenn.delahoy.com/snappy-driver-installer-origin/

It's the one I use.

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Jim the Geordie wrote on 12/11/24 4:24 AM:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need updating. When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me that I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

CCleaner Driver updates available offerings can be misleading.
- i.e. it looks at the hardware, not necessarily the OEM built device's latest and preferred version.

The hardware manufacturer release notes for the specific driver may be a
good place to research the driver applicability. In some cases a later
driver may only update older hardware(e.g. devices now running Win11 that
were previously running Win10 to the Win10 era latest or last driver). In other cases, an OEM device may limit the installation of later driver or
warn that doing so will replace the existing OEM driver and also remove
or deprecate OEM included features.



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Allan Higdon wrote on Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:41:32 -0600 :

There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

If Open Source Freeware is safe enough for you, there is Snappy Driver Installer Origin.
https://www.glenn.delahoy.com/snappy-driver-installer-origin/

It's the one I use.

I went to my driver archive and all I see there are dumo/sumo & snappy, so
I would concur with what Allan Higdon just recommended for driver updates.

Having been burned by Nvidia driver updates, I also concur with Peter
Johnson who recommended to leave well enough alone, as Windows handles it.

After those experts weighed in, since I try to add value in every post, I
will also note there are free apps to "backup" your existing drivers.

doubledriver
<https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/double_driver.html>

driverbackup
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/drvback/>

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On this Wed, 11 Dec 2024 20:31:40 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

Beware of CCleaner!

Crap Cleaner has to justify its existence by suggesting drivers you don't
need.

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On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:31:40 -0600, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wr=
ote:

...w=C2=A1=C3=B1=C2=A7=C2=B1=C2=A4=C3=B1 wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 12/11/24 4:24 AM:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need
updating.
When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me
that I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update a=

ll

that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

CCleaner Driver updates available offerings can be misleading.
- i.e. it looks at the hardware, not necessarily the OEM built
device's latest and preferred version.

The hardware manufacturer release notes for the specific driver may b=

e a

good place to research the driver applicability. In some cases a late=

r

driver may only update older hardware(e.g. devices now running Win11
that were previously running Win10 to the Win10 era latest or last
driver). In other cases, an OEM device may limit the installation of
later driver or warn that doing so will replace the existing OEM driv=

er

and also remove or deprecate OEM included features.

It's more than just misleading; it's a highway into screwing up your
whole system.

Windows says you have the latest ones installed. CCleaner claims to ha=

ve

better or later ones.
If CCleaner is right, then Windows is f...ed; if Windows is right then=

CCleaner is pulling a fast one.

Beware of CCleaner!

Ed

The only part of CCleaner that's worth using is the Custom Clean feature=
..
I download the Portable version and only keep the CCleaner64.exe and por= table.dat files, along with the ccleaner.ini file that's created by the = program.
If you want to update it, just replace the CCleaner64.exe file.

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Ed Cryer wrote on 12/11/24 1:31 PM:

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 12/11/24 4:24 AM:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need
updating.
When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me
that I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

CCleaner Driver updates available offerings can be misleading.
ÿÿ- i.e. it looks at the hardware, not necessarily the OEM built
device's latest and preferred version.

The hardware manufacturer release notes for the specific driver may be
a good place to research the driver applicability. In some cases a
later driver may only update older hardware(e.g. devices now running
Win11 that were previously running Win10 to the Win10 era latest or
last driver). In other cases, an OEM device may limit the installation
of later driver or warn that doing so will replace the existing OEM
driver and also remove or deprecate OEM included features.

It's more than just misleading; it's a highway into screwing up your
whole system.

Windows says you have the latest ones installed. CCleaner claims to have better or later ones.
If CCleaner is right, then Windows is f...ed; if Windows is right then CCleaner is pulling a fast one.

Beware of CCleaner!

Ed

Not always an absolute route to screwing up a device.

As an example this Win11 24H2 device has an SDXC media card reader.
CCleaner indicates a later version is available(Jul 2024)
Windows 11 Device Manager/Memory technology devices/PCIE Card Reader/Drivers/<Update Driver/ indicates the latest driver is
installed(June 2022)

Windows Catalog, indicates and provides the same version that CCleaner indicates as available.

i.e. CCleaner is correct that a later driver is avaialble. In this case,
Win11 while not indicating a later driver is available should be
interpreted as 'current installed driver is sufficient for functionality'
and also accurate,

Extracting the Catalog cab file(to a folder of choice[1] and using Device Manager's Update Driver/Browse option pointing to the folder(which
includes 4 files dll, inf, sys, cat) installs the driver(and the same
exact driver that CCleaner indicated)

While I wouldn't recommend using CCleaner's update driver option, but in
this case, reverting the driver to its earlier version(via Device Manager and/or also reverting Win11 to a recent 4 hour old Macrium image) and
then updating the driver via Cleaner yields the exact same results as the method using the Catalog's extracted cab file.

Likewise, I can repeat the same scenario for this device's Intel 620
Graphics driver downloading the driver from Intel, or using the Catalog
route or CCleaner..and all installing and yielding the latest available driver.

Bottom line....different routes work with the exact same results, though
in both cases neither is absolutely necessary for functionality....and
exactly why Device Manager's Check for updates 'latest driver in
installed' should/can be interpreted as sufficient and also accurate.



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Ed Cryer wrote:

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 12/11/24 4:24 AM:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need
updating.
When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me
that I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update
all that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

CCleaner Driver updates available offerings can be misleading.
 Â - i.e. it looks at the hardware, not necessarily the OEM built
device's latest and preferred version.

The hardware manufacturer release notes for the specific driver may be
a good place to research the driver applicability. In some cases a
later driver may only update older hardware(e.g. devices now running
Win11 that were previously running Win10 to the Win10 era latest or
last driver). In other cases, an OEM device may limit the installation
of later driver or warn that doing so will replace the existing OEM
driver and also remove or deprecate OEM included features.

It's more than just misleading; it's a highway into screwing up your
whole system.

Windows says you have the latest ones installed. CCleaner claims to have better or later ones.
If CCleaner is right, then Windows is f...ed; if Windows is right then CCleaner is pulling a fast one.

Beware of CCleaner!

Ed

I learned that years ago. Ccleaner was a good utility many years ago
when it was known as crap cleaner. But now it is driven solely by greed.
Their only goal is to sell you more shit.

Don't pay too much attention to what it tells you.


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On 11/12/2024 14:41, Allan Higdon wrote:

On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 05:24:32 -0600, Jim the Geordie
<jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need
updating.
When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me that
I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

If Open Source Freeware is safe enough for you, there is Snappy Driver Installer Origin. https://www.glenn.delahoy.com/snappy-driver-installer-origin/

+1

Stick with the free version of Ccleaner.
I'm still running version 4.14 in Windows 8.1.
The oldest version recommended for Windows 10 is v5.46 but I have seen
reports of people using v5.08 & v5.35.
Avoid version 5.33 with the spyware.



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wasbit

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Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need updating. When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me that
I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

As far as updating drivers is concerned: The common advice is "Don't
fix what ain't broken!", unless you have a problem which is/might_be
fixed in a newer driver or the newer driver has new functionality which
you want/need. As Peter mentioned, the latter is unlikely in Windows 10.

Count yourself lucky that Windows 10's Windows Update does not
automatically update drivers (well, not most of the time). No such luck
with Windows 11 (Yes, you can 'hack' Windows 11 not to update drivers.

*If* you need/want to update a driver, do it yourself and do it
manually, do not use any automatic driver 'fixers'. Well, unless you
want to *create* problems, that is.

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On 12/11/2024 6:24 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:

If I run CCleaner it tells me that I have some drivers that need updating. When I try to manually update my (Windows 10) drivers, it tells me that
I have the latest ones installed.
I would not mind paying CCleaner a one-off payment for the advanced
version, but it commits me to either monthly or annual debit, and I
don't want to do that.
There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.
Can anyone help?

You should understand that this is all BS gimmicks. If you have
hardware running without problems then you don't need new drivers.
If you ever do need new drivers, go to the hardware manufacturer's
website. Don't rely on some freeware and don't go to Microsoft.
People have been trained to think that both software and drivers get
old and crusty. It's absurd. But it's good marketing. Software companies
now issue frequent updates merely because the public expect them.

People go for these programs because it feels like going to a
car wash and having your car "detailed". But it's not like that.
Such programs are cleaning things that don't matter, like so-called
orphan Registry keys. If they don't screw anything up, you're lucky.
Windows can access the Registry 5000 times in a second. It's
a high efficiency database. Cleaning out 30 unusued entries is not
going to grease any wheels. It's similar with unwanted files. I once
tried MalwareBytes and it came up with 10 problems. Every one of
them was a critical file that MB wanted to delete, or a setting that
I wanted, but which MB deemed "suspicious". If you don't fully
understand every "problem" that the softwaree proposes fixing then
you shouldn't be allowing it to be "fixed".

This nonsense started back in the days of Norton System Works,
which used to show technicians in white coats as it hunted for
things to fix with its "system cleaner". It's all unnecessary and much
of it has the potential to screw up your system.

If you want to clean things up then go into disk properties and
let it clean up temp files.

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On 11/12/2024 11:24, Jim the Geordie wrote:

There are available free softwares that claim to be able to update all
that need it, but I don't know how safe they are.

THEY ARE ALL VERY SAFE OTHERWISE THERE IS NO POINT IN CREATING THEM AND DISTRIBUTING ONLINE. YOU CAN READ ABOUT THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO GET AUTHORITATIVE ANSWER.




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