• Re: Is Usesent (and/or Reddit) social media?

    From sticks@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 07:22:28 2024
    On 12/16/2024 1:46 PM, micky wrote:

    Why do you insist on posting off-topic junk to otherwise usable groups
    and cross post them to the rat nest of alt.home.repair?

    I'll answer your question. No. Usenet is usenet, and who gives two
    shit about reddit!

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  • From clams casino@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 07:24:50 2024
    On 12/16/2024 12:46 PM, micky wrote:
    I'll get back to everyone who posted in my previous thread, but I need
    to know if you all think Usenet is social media?
    Or Social Media? Which?

    That's just a caps thing.


    And would you answer the same for Reddit?

    Yes.

    They're social because they involve people, but people don't make
    friends on any of them, normally. And people don't talk about little
    or even big things that happen in their personal lives much, and when
    once in a while I do, most people are bored and ignore them in any
    replies they make.

    You haven't been on RFC much have ya?

    It's a loony bin of personal over-sharing and mandates of control.

    To me that means it's not social.

    But a library is social and no one speaks much.

    But if some webpage that matters to me asks how I heard about it, and I
    say "internet" but NOT through social media, they will likely think its
    a page with good or bad informative text but no way for readers to
    reply. That Usenet and Reddit do allow replies, depend on replies, sort
    of makes them *social* media.

    Yes.

    Uselessnet now un-moderated - yay!

    Reddit a bastion of censors.

    Boo!

    So all in all, in your opinion, are Usenet and Reddit social media?

    They are, but uselessnet is like CB radio, long since leapfrogged by new
    band spectrums and better equipment.


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  • From Alan K.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 07:48:08 2024
    On 12/16/24 02:46 PM, micky wrote:
    I'll get back to everyone who posted in my previous thread, but I need
    to know if you all think Usenet is social media?
    Or Social Media? Which?

    And would you answer the same for Reddit?

    They're social because they involve people, but people don't make
    friends on any of them, normally. And people don't talk about little
    or even big things that happen in their personal lives much, and when
    once in a while I do, most people are bored and ignore them in any
    replies they make.

    To me that means it's not social.

    But if some webpage that matters to me asks how I heard about it, and I
    say "internet" but NOT through social media, they will likely think its
    a page with good or bad informative text but no way for readers to
    reply. That Usenet and Reddit do allow replies, depend on replies, sort
    of makes them *social* media.

    So all in all, in your opinion, are Usenet and Reddit social media?
    CoPilot say:
    Usenet is not considered traditional social media, but it does share some characteristics with it.
    Usenet is a worldwide distributed discussion system that dates back to the early days of the
    internet. It's more like a collection of newsgroups where users can post messages and read others'
    posts on various topics.

    Here's how Usenet compares to modern social media:

    Structure: Usenet is organized into newsgroups, similar to forums, each dedicated to specific
    topics. Social media platforms, on the other hand, often use more fluid structures like timelines,
    feeds, and groups.

    Interaction: Users on Usenet interact by posting messages (called articles) and responding to them,
    similar to how users comment on social media posts. However, Usenet lacks many of the features found
    on modern social media platforms, such as likes, shares, and multimedia content.

    Anonymity: Usenet users can post messages without revealing their real identities, while social
    media platforms often encourage users to create profiles with personal information.

    Content: Usenet focuses more on text-based discussions, whereas social media platforms support a
    wide range of content types, including images, videos, and live streams.

    In essence, while Usenet provides a platform for online discussions and information sharing, it
    operates differently from modern social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram.

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  • From sticks@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 09:30:46 2024
    On 12/16/2024 3:12 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:22:28 -0600, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

    On 12/16/2024 1:46 PM, micky wrote:

    Why do you insist on posting off-topic junk to otherwise usable groups

    It's not off-topic. The topic was usenet.

    Bullshit. Usenet is the forum. The topic of a.c.o.WINDOWS-10 is
    obviously windows 10. There will always be thread drift and normal
    people soon realize it and try to control themselves. That's not what happened here, or what you typically do. This was an original post
    totally off topic to windows, android, and firefox. The only place it
    fits in is alt.home.repair since this is the kind of shit they do all
    the time in that group. Get some manners.


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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 09:56:41 2024
    On 2024-12-16 22:12, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:22:28 -0600, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

    On 12/16/2024 1:46 PM, micky wrote:

    Why do you insist on posting off-topic junk to otherwise usable groups

    It's not off-topic. The topic was usenet.

    Which is offtopic here. The topic here is only Windows 10.

    If using the other groups, it can be firefox, android, or repairs at
    home. Usenet is not the topic of any of those groups.

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  • From bad sector@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 10:04:55 2024
    On 12/16/24 15:48, Alan K. wrote:

    Usenet is not considered traditional social media, but it does share
    some characteristics with it. Usenet is a worldwide distributed
    discussion system that dates back to the early days of the internet.
    It's more like a collection of newsgroups where users can post messages
    and read others' posts on various topics.

    It's not more LIKE a collection of newsgroups, it IS a collection of newsgroups and it cannot even be mentioned in the same sentence with any
    of them other 'orifices'.


    Anonymity: Usenet users can post messages without revealing their real identities, while social media platforms often encourage users to create profiles with personal information.

    This has got to be the attribute that makes THE difference and is why
    millions prefer it and why many agencies have been trying and continue
    to try to destroy it.



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  • From Steve Hayes@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 19:14:39 2024
    Reply-To: hayesstw@yahoo.com

    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:46:26 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I'll get back to everyone who posted in my previous thread, but I need
    to know if you all think Usenet is social media?
    Or Social Media? Which?

    Usenet is indeed a social medium, and more social than most other
    social media, because one's communication is not controlled and
    manipulated by algorithms.

    And would you answer the same for Reddit?

    I know nothing about Reddit.


    They're social because they involve people, but people don't make
    friends on any of them, normally. And people don't talk about little
    or even big things that happen in their personal lives much, and when
    once in a while I do, most people are bored and ignore them in any
    replies they make.

    To me that means it's not social.

    There was a time when Usenet was primarily academic rather than
    social, but that time is long past. And there always was a social
    element. Interactions between people vary depending on the nature of
    particular newsgroups, but it is the same with other social media
    platforms like Facebook.




    But if some webpage that matters to me asks how I heard about it, and I
    say "internet" but NOT through social media, they will likely think its
    a page with good or bad informative text but no way for readers to
    reply. That Usenet and Reddit do allow replies, depend on replies, sort
    of makes them *social* media.

    So all in all, in your opinion, are Usenet and Reddit social media?

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  • From Steve Hayes@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 19:20:45 2024
    Reply-To: hayesstw@yahoo.com

    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 16:12:08 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:22:28 -0600, sticks ><wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

    On 12/16/2024 1:46 PM, micky wrote:

    Why do you insist on posting off-topic junk to otherwise usable groups

    It's not off-topic. The topic was usenet.

    But Windows 10 is not Usenet.

    Try news.groups
    and news.groups.questions

    I was going to set more appropriate follow-ups, but want' allowed to,
    so sorry to all the inappropriate groups.






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    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From John Hall@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 17 20:41:05 2024
    Reply-To: John Hall <john@jhall.co.uk>

    In message <c701mj1ok5mue46nmiedj4ve1qcindpiqm@4ax.com>, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes
    I'll get back to everyone who posted in my previous thread, but I need
    to know if you all think Usenet is social media?
    Or Social Media? Which?

    And would you answer the same for Reddit?

    They're social because they involve people, but people don't make
    friends on any of them, normally. And people don't talk about little
    or even big things that happen in their personal lives much, and when
    once in a while I do, most people are bored and ignore them in any
    replies they make.

    To me that means it's not social.

    But if some webpage that matters to me asks how I heard about it, and I
    say "internet" but NOT through social media, they will likely think its
    a page with good or bad informative text but no way for readers to
    reply. That Usenet and Reddit do allow replies, depend on replies, sort
    of makes them *social* media.

    So all in all, in your opinion, are Usenet and Reddit social media?

    Yes. Even if people don't make friends, they are interacting with one
    another ,and that makes it social IMO. Not that I've ever used this new-fangled Reddit thing. :)

    [rm newsgroup where it seems most off-topic.]
    --
    John Hall
    "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
    will hardly mind anything else."
    Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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  • From Newyana2@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 18 01:03:29 2024
    On 12/16/2024 2:46 PM, micky wrote:
    I'll get back to everyone who posted in my previous thread, but I need
    to know if you all think Usenet is social media?
    Or Social Media? Which?

    And would you answer the same for Reddit?


    To my mind, usenet is not really social. Socializing is
    "off topic". It happens around the edges, in the form of lonely
    old men asking frivolous questions or bickering.... or even just
    adding provocative "signatures" without ever taking responsibility
    for their outbursts. (See John Hall's post, scorning those who
    don't work out as wastrels. :)

    I don't use any of the mainstream social media. TikTok,
    Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, NextDoor.... How social are they?
    Is it socializing to post one's 2 cents and try to increase
    "followers"? Is it social to post a short paragraph about Kim
    Kardashian's ass or Travis Kelce's shirt? I'm afraid that many
    young people view that as all of social engagement, but in that
    capacity it's really just serving as an artificial peer group, so
    that one knows what to think about Kim Kardashian's ass.

    Facebook started out as a social medium. What is it now?
    Google news on acid that people can't pull away from because
    it's still where they hear about parties? Instagram? What is that?
    Facebook for illiterate people?

    It seems that seeing a reflection of oneself in a cellphone
    screen is passing for social relationships in many case. So
    what is social media?

    Reddit is the only site I use. The voting is childish, and many
    of the groups are tightly controlled. On the other hand, many
    usenet groups were ruined by lack of control -- taken over by
    spam or antisocial cliques.

    I don't know of any site other than Reddit where one can
    actually take part in discussions. There are a lot of serious
    people in those discussions. There are topics where I can be
    helpful. And when I need help, I often find it. Just about any topic
    is covered.

    Some of the groups, like home repair, are run by weird fascist
    cabals who tightly control the discussion. That's unfortunate.
    And of course the Linux groups are frequented by the usual gangs
    of anti-social Linux devotees. But in general I find that it works
    and it's useful. The old.reddit.com version is surprisingly well
    designed so that one can follow the back and forth of discussion.

    On the down side, Reddit recently partnered with Google. It's
    become tricky to even log in. They're enforcing tracking. The site
    was seemingly invented by teenagers. The up/down voting, the
    awards, the "avatars".... It's all childish. But I'm often impressed by
    the sincerity of posters.

    It would be nice to see something like Craigslist social -- a site
    not existing merely as a profit strategy that could serve as a
    meeting place. But maybe the very notion of a meeting place
    online is faulty. None of it substitutes for actual relationships.

    Of course, I haven't made friends or got dates on Reddit. Maybe
    I could if I gave up anonymity, but I find it too public for that. So,
    is discussion social? Can online ever truly be social when both input
    and output are primarily designed to keep people scrolling? When the
    young father from Tennessee stormed the pizza parlor to save children
    from Hillary's sex slavery ring, he believed that the world he knew
    online was the real world. But people are using that world to conduct
    group fantasy, and he didn't see the distinction.

    I was reading yesterday that Bill Gates, self-appointed genius, finally
    said something intelligent. He recommended a book by Jonathan Haidt, who
    was co-author of Coddling the American Mind (Atlantic Monthly) and is
    one of the few voices speaking for human values in an intelligent way. Apparently Haidt has a new book analyzing the implications of a
    generation of kids raised by screens, who only see the outdoors when
    they're being punished for misbehavior by having their screens taken away.

    So we have an ongoing laboratory of "social media". It seems to be
    producing brittle personalities who find real life to be "unsafe"; young
    people who don't want to live without supervision, to make sure that no
    one can "gaslight" them or make them feel unsafe. People who need to
    consult their psychotherapist before accepting a social date. People, in
    short, who only know life in a shopping mall -- a world owned by exploitive commercial interests that's been curated to keep them coming back.

    I guess that leads to the next level of such a question. A more
    existential
    exploration: What matters in life and what is the role of social
    connections?


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  • From sticks@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 18 03:21:12 2024
    On 12/17/2024 5:33 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:20:45 +0200, Steve
    Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 16:12:08 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:


    It's not off-topic. The topic was usenet.

    But Windows 10 is not Usenet.

    Try news.groups
    and news.groups.questions

    Thanks, not a bad suggestion and clearly an attempt to be helpful, but I don't read those groups and don't want to start for one question. I
    don't know the people in them and don't know whose judgment to respect.

    What a round about way of saying you're too dumb and lazy to try to do
    things properly and you just don't care.


    I was going to set more appropriate follow-ups, but want' allowed to,
    so sorry to all the inappropriate groups.

    This subthread reminds of when there was a newly formed moderated forum
    on, say, Of Mice and Men, and the new moderators were ridiculously over- strict, and people tried to post polite questions and complaints and the
    mods rejected them all saying moderation was off-topic. We all thought
    it was, say, an on-topic meta-topic, by definition. I think the same
    thing here.

    no you don't. you just don't care that you fill these groups with all
    your off-topic posts. You'll prove me right by continuing to do similar things soon enough.


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  • From John Hall@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 18 03:49:49 2024
    Reply-To: John Hall <john@jhall.co.uk>

    In message <vjs0aa$1p06e$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2
    <newyana@invalid.nospam> writes
    On 12/16/2024 2:46 PM, micky wrote:
    I'll get back to everyone who posted in my previous thread, but I need
    to know if you all think Usenet is social media?
    Or Social Media? Which?
    And would you answer the same for Reddit?


    To my mind, usenet is not really social. Socializing is
    "off topic". It happens around the edges, in the form of lonely
    old men asking frivolous questions or bickering.... or even just
    adding provocative "signatures" without ever taking responsibility
    for their outbursts. (See John Hall's post, scorning those who
    don't work out as wastrels. :)

    Either that was some other John Hall (it's a common name) or you've misattributed that post. I don't work out myself and certainly don't
    view those who don't as wastrels.

    <big snip>
    --
    John Hall
    "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
    will hardly mind anything else."
    Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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  • From s|b@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 18 04:38:36 2024
    Reply-To: sb.nospam@belgacom.net

    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:46:26 -0500, micky wrote:

    Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.software.firefox

    Followup-To: alt.clueless

    (What's 'Usesent'?)

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    s|b

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  • From Steve Hayes@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 19 17:24:29 2024
    Reply-To: hayesstw@yahoo.com

    On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 23:23:09 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    What a round about way of saying you're too dumb and lazy to try to do >>things properly and you just don't care.

    You don't know me better than I know myself. Those were my real
    reasons and don't involve laziness, and you are going by your idea of
    what is proper, and I know longer care what you think but I do care
    about this ng and all the others. ......

    Don't feed the trolls.

    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Paul@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 19 19:50:16 2024
    On Wed, 12/18/2024 11:23 PM, micky wrote:


    You didn't seem to notice that my question got several good answers,

    USENET has a history and it has a rule set.

    And it is NOT social media.

    To even answer this question, which is (OT * cross-posted)
    is a violation of the rule set.

    Groups have a narrow charter. The charter receives a lot
    of discussion (during request for comments), because it
    defines exactly what is allowed and not allowed. For example,
    in order to avoid creating a .forsale group, the charter would
    indicate that forsale items were allowed, as long as they were
    prefaced with FORSALE: . In this way, the voters who voted
    on the charter, could agree or disagree with the definition
    of topicality. If the decision by the majority was that
    FORSALE was banned, then the charter could specifically
    say that such articles are "not allowed". You could not
    for example OT: forsale hallicrafters X12 transceiver,
    as that is specifically an activity which is "not allowed".
    Depending on your administrator, you could lose your
    account for doing that (administrators did enforce rules
    back then - I nearly got banned once for something pretty
    trivial).

    There is still a Big-8 Management Board. There are still
    people who organize USENET. Even if many of the moving
    parts are now missing (FAQ postings for new users,
    news.newusers for people who are new to USENET).

    One of the original suggestions for USENET, upon first
    connecting, was to not post. Just read threads (kibbitz) and
    absorb the etiquette. Then, if you had any questions
    after viewing thousands of posts, someone could fill
    in the details. Not posting was preferable to
    a posting etiquette violation. That's how things used to work.

    When I first started, I read SunManagers. A question would be
    raised. After a week or ten days, with some good answers,
    the OP "paid" for the question, by writing a summary post listing
    which solutions worked and which solutions did not work.
    In this way, the OP paid back the effort people put forward
    towards answering a question. Then if you looked at a
    thread in SunManagers, it was a "self-contained article".
    You were not left wondering what happened to the OP, because
    they wrote back and paid their debt.

    That's a system that had rules. There were no cookie recipes
    or car repairs in SunManagers. Just questions and answers
    about Sun Microsystems Unix boxes. Most of the queries and
    answers, were from IT class people. People stayed on topic there.
    There was no one asking "whether it was snowing where you are".

    That's an example of the history of the place.

    Paul

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  • From Newyana2@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Dec 20 00:37:52 2024
    On 12/18/2024 11:35 PM, micky wrote:

    Very, very intesting post. I don't disagree with any of the parts I know about I don't know about Facebook and Twitter, for example, but you've enhanced my desire to stay away from them. It would take me an hour
    just to reply to the important parts, and it's already 11:30. But I
    really enjoyed your remarks. (And don't worry, I've forgotten what you
    said about John Hall.)


    It's become a very real threat to democracy. In the last election
    we had more than half the country believing that Trump is going
    to help poor people! They'll probably all still believe it when they lose
    their home.

    Not so long ago, the presidency was decided
    mostly by knowledgeable power brokers. The general public might
    see a glimpse of the candidate, but they were mostly just told who
    to vote for. Thus the electoral college -- to prevent the hoi polloi
    from electing a nut. A sense of noblesse oblige would ensure that
    the poor and uneducated were looked after, at least to some extent.

    With Trump, the electoral college has done just
    what it was designed to prevent, because everyone now has information
    and opinions about candidates, provided by Russia, China, propagandists, psychos, political operatives, and marketing companies. People who
    never leave their farm in Tennessee think they have their finger on the
    pulse of society by reading about Hillary's child sex ring on Facebook.

    There's a movie about Brexit, showing how Cambridge Analytica
    used Facebook data to direct the Brexit vote. Then it started going the
    other way, with entities controlling what shows up on Facebook feeds,
    because Zuck's algorythms only care that you stay worked up enough
    to keep scrolling. A 30-something fool who started out trying to collect
    data on easy lays at Harvard is, in some ways, running the country.

    In the 2016 election, Eric Shmidt tried to sell Hillary on a plan to
    give her the election by targetting individual voters using the vast
    Google spyware trove of data. (Hillary is said to have turned him down. Probably because she didn't understand the power of the data.)

    So now we have a populace that's almost all informed... in some manner.
    And we have entities who are dedicated to shaping that information.
    The Internet was supposed to provide information to everyone. We
    didn't foresee that such information could be the marketing campaign
    of the next Hitler, or worse. Autocrats used to get into power and then
    kill off the educated while seducing the uneducated. Now they don't need
    to eliminate the people who know what's going on. No one's listening
    to them.

    I suspect that social media has also had a big role in cancel culture.
    The gossip mills of Twitter and Facebook generate delicious outrage
    on a mass scale. "Didn't Travis bring flowers to Taylor at her concert?!
    That son of a bitch!" No one is above being put into the town stocks
    for punishment. Last year the Dalai Lama was seen in a Chinese propaganda video, kissing a young boy. As it turned out, the DL was giving a public
    talk,
    he knew the boy, who had asked for a hug, and the boy's mother was
    seated a few feet away. The kiss on the mouth is something that's
    common in Tibet. Basically the DL was like a playful grandmother,
    smothering
    the child with hugs to tease him. But no one was listening. "The Dalai Lama
    is a child molester!" The mob had its next victim. (The Chinese propaganda machine knows how to push our buttons. Sex is the most dependable way
    to blackball anyone in the US.) All that mattered was
    having another topic to Twitterize.

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  • From sticks@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Dec 20 04:18:54 2024
    On 12/19/2024 7:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
    On 12/18/2024 11:35 PM, micky wrote:

    Very, very intesting post. I don't disagree with any of the parts I know
    about˙˙ I don't know about Facebook and Twitter, for example, but you've
    enhanced my desire to stay away from them.˙˙˙ It would take me an hour
    just to reply to the important parts, and it's already 11:30.˙ But I
    really enjoyed your remarks.˙˙ (And don't worry, I've forgotten what you
    said about John Hall.)


    ˙ It's become a very real threat to democracy. In the last election

    - ---snip---

    ˙˙˙ Not so long ago, the presidency was decided

    - ---snip---

    ˙˙ With Trump, the electoral college has done just

    - ---snip---
    ˙ There's a movie about Brexit, showing how Cambridge Analytica

    - ---snip---
    ˙ In the 2016 election, Eric Shmidt tried to sell Hillary on a plan to

    - ---snip---

    ˙ So now we have a populace that's almost all informed... in some manner.

    - ---snip---
    ˙ I suspect that social media has also had a big role in cancel culture.

    - ---snip---

    Nice. This is his usual micky on steroids routine.

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  • From sticks@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Dec 20 04:27:37 2024
    On 12/18/2024 10:23 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:21:12 -0600, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

    On 12/17/2024 5:33 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:20:45 +0200, Steve
    Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 16:12:08 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:


    It's not off-topic. The topic was usenet.

    But Windows 10 is not Usenet.

    Try news.groups
    and news.groups.questions

    Thanks, not a bad suggestion and clearly an attempt to be helpful, but I >>> don't read those groups and don't want to start for one question. I
    don't know the people in them and don't know whose judgment to respect.

    What a round about way of saying you're too dumb and lazy to try to do
    things properly and you just don't care.

    You don't know me better than I know myself. Those were my real
    reasons and don't involve laziness, and you are going by your idea of
    what is proper, and I know longer care what you think but I do care
    about this ng and all the others. ......

    I was going to set more appropriate follow-ups, but want' allowed to,
    so sorry to all the inappropriate groups.

    This subthread reminds of when there was a newly formed moderated forum
    on, say, Of Mice and Men, and the new moderators were ridiculously over- >>> strict, and people tried to post polite questions and complaints and the >>> mods rejected them all saying moderation was off-topic. We all thought
    it was, say, an on-topic meta-topic, by definition. I think the same
    thing here.

    no you don't.

    You definitely don't know what I think. Why do you imagine you know
    what someone else thinks? That's sort of dumb, isn't it?

    What's dumb is you can't remember what you posted already, even though
    you quoted it. You said above, you don't want to post to another group because you're not currently subscribed to it, and you don't know the
    people in it. Then you said you wanted to set more *appropriate*
    follow-ups, thereby acknowledging you at least kind of know this is the
    wrong forum.


    you just don't care that you fill these groups with all
    your off-topic posts.

    Once every 2 or 3 months or less, by your standards. That's not filling anything. And you have the opportunity to stop reading after the first
    half of the first post, but no, you're still at it. You can even filter
    me out. Feel free. I don't remember you ever answering one of my
    technical questions, so I have nothing to lose.

    That's not how usenet works. There is no requirement to answer
    "technical questions." I will probably take your other advice soon
    enough, though.

    You'll prove me right by continuing to do similar
    things soon enough.

    It won't prove a thing.

    You didn't seem to notice that my question got several good answers,
    from people who either didn't think it is was off topic, or are not so hide-bound to an on-topic rule, which did not come down from Sinai.

    Please read Paul's most excellent post in this thread. Maybe coming
    from someone you respect a little more might help you with your
    comprehension problem.


    And BTW, the fewest number of replies were in AHR and none were from the intruder/political spammers from other invading groups, probably because
    they don't read AHR directly, they only cross-post to it.

    Who cares? Try posting on-topic things there and maybe you'll get more
    of a response.



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  • From sticks@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Dec 20 04:31:28 2024
    On 12/19/2024 2:50 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/18/2024 11:23 PM, micky wrote:


    You didn't seem to notice that my question got several good answers,

    USENET has a history and it has a rule set.

    And it is NOT social media.

    - ---snip great stuff---

    That's an example of the history of the place.

    What some fail to understand or don't care about, is that if everyone
    did what micky and yana2 do these groups would be unusable.
    But...they're special.


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  • From Char Jackson@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Dec 20 10:00:41 2024
    On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 11:31:28 -0600, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

    On 12/19/2024 2:50 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/18/2024 11:23 PM, micky wrote:


    You didn't seem to notice that my question got several good answers,

    USENET has a history and it has a rule set.

    And it is NOT social media.

    ---snip great stuff---

    Great, but quite incomplete, especially for the issue at hand.

    That's an example of the history of the place.

    What some fail to understand or don't care about, is that if everyone
    did what micky and yana2 do these groups would be unusable.
    But...they're special.

    Paul posted about the Big-8 side of the house, but over here in alt.* land, about the only thing we share is the concept of a charter. Enforcement is left to peer pressure, (what we're seeing in this sub-thread), and the honor system. It's all we have, but it usually works well enough.


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