I have a Win 10 Laptop that for a long time had an icon on its taskbar
with an offer to upgrade me to Win 11. It even indicated that the
necessary files were downloaded. Today, I went to use that icon to do an upgrade but it wasn't there.

Question 1: Is there a way to restore that icon or an equivalent?

Question 2: If not, what must I do to upgraded the laptop?
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On Thu, 12/19/2024 5:03 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:

I have a Win 10 Laptop that for a long time had an icon on its taskbar with an offer to upgrade me to Win 11. It even indicated that the necessary files were downloaded. Today, I went to use that icon to do an upgrade but it wasn't there.

Question 1: Is there a way to restore that icon or an equivalent?

Question 2: If not, what must I do to upgraded the laptop?

About the most you can do, to "encourage" Windows Update to do
things, is as follows.

1) Open Settings.
2) Go to Windows Update.
3) Switch this slider to ON:

"Get the latest updates as soon as they are available"

4) Now, move back up and click the "Check For Updates".

Then see if any new items are offered, for you to
click or interact with.

*******

A second method, is to download the W11 24H2 DVD (ISO) file,
right-click the ISO and select "Mount" from the top of the menu.

If in File Explorer, you can select "Open" of an ISO file, to
mount it as well. In both these cases, a virtual DVD drive will
appear. The Setup.exe file, kicks off a Repair or Upgrade
installation, keeping user programs and user data files.
That can take a PC to the next version.

Any time major changes are done to a computer, you do a backup.
One of the things backup softwares do, is they do a file system
check (like a CHKDSK). Sometimes, when installations have failed,
the root cause of the failure was a corrupt file system. If
your backup refuses to run, and tells you to "fix your file system",
well, an Upgrade Install can't run on a corrupt file system either.

It is for these sorts of reasons, while the installer is
very well designed (it even backs out when you would think
it could not possibly back out), a corrupt file system can
cause problems for you. This is why we do a backup before
clicking too many buttons and getting on any treadmills.

Paul

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On 12/19/2024 5:45 PM, Paul wrote:

le Explorer, you can select "Open" of an ISO file, to
mount it as well. In both these cases, a virtual DVD drive will
appear. The Setup.exe file, kicks off a Repair or Upgrade
installation, keeping user programs and user data files.
That can take a PC to the next version.

While there is a lot going around about installing Windows 11 on old
machines, if you would rather use your computer rather than hassling
with it, make sure your computer meets the basic standards the MS set
up for installing Window 11.


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knuttle wrote:

On 12/19/2024 5:45 PM, Paul wrote:

le Explorer, you can select "Open" of an ISO file, to
mount it as well. In both these cases, a virtual DVD drive will
appear. The Setup.exe file, kicks off a Repair or Upgrade
installation, keeping user programs and user data files.
That can take a PC to the next version.

While there is a lot going around about installing Windows 11 on old machines, if you would rather use your computer rather than hassling
with it,ÿ make sure your computer meets the basic standards the MS set
up for installing Window 11.

Amen. I installed win 11 on an older machine by using rufus, and I do
regret it.

When it rebooted, the damn thing exploded and now I've got shrapnel in
my neck and both arms are in casts.

Just buy a new computer whenever microsoft tells you to.


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On 12/19/2024 3:45 PM, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 12/19/2024 5:03 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:

I have a Win 10 Laptop that for a long time had an icon on its taskbar with an offer to upgrade me to Win 11. It even indicated that the necessary files were downloaded. Today, I went to use that icon to do an upgrade but it wasn't there.

Question 1: Is there a way to restore that icon or an equivalent?

Question 2: If not, what must I do to upgraded the laptop?

About the most you can do, to "encourage" Windows Update to do
things, is as follows.

1) Open Settings.
2) Go to Windows Update.
3) Switch this slider to ON:

"Get the latest updates as soon as they are available"

4) Now, move back up and click the "Check For Updates".

Then see if any new items are offered, for you to
click or interact with.

*******

A second method, is to download the W11 24H2 DVD (ISO) file,
right-click the ISO and select "Mount" from the top of the menu.

If in File Explorer, you can select "Open" of an ISO file, to
mount it as well. In both these cases, a virtual DVD drive will
appear. The Setup.exe file, kicks off a Repair or Upgrade
installation, keeping user programs and user data files.
That can take a PC to the next version.

Any time major changes are done to a computer, you do a backup.
One of the things backup softwares do, is they do a file system
check (like a CHKDSK). Sometimes, when installations have failed,
the root cause of the failure was a corrupt file system. If
your backup refuses to run, and tells you to "fix your file system",
well, an Upgrade Install can't run on a corrupt file system either.

It is for these sorts of reasons, while the installer is
very well designed (it even backs out when you would think
it could not possibly back out), a corrupt file system can
cause problems for you. This is why we do a backup before
clicking too many buttons and getting on any treadmills.

Thanks. I reset the get the latest and the offer to get and install 11
popped up. I clicked on it and came back a few hours later and it was
still loading. Another couple of hours found it installed. Seems to all
be there. By the way, the task bar icon with the offer never reappeared.

I noticed a folder, windows.old, that I presume is just what the name
implies. That name should be lengthen by appending .space.hog I think.
Is there any reason to not just permanently delete it? There's very
little user-level content on the machine. I bought it several years ago
so that I could use a tax program (Turbo Tax) that would no longer load
on Windows 7. Since we just built a couple 11 machines, that dependency
has disappeared.
--
Jeff Barnett

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Amen. I installed win 11 on an older machine by using rufus, and I do
regret it.

When it rebooted, the damn thing exploded and now I've got shrapnel in
my neck and both arms are in casts.

Just buy a new computer whenever microsoft tells you to.

If you already have TPM (1.2 or later) but an older pre 8th gen CPU,
it's not going to be a problem. I have installed on a 7th gen last week without any issues at all. It had TPM 2.0
All I did was a single edit of the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup.
If you don't have TPM, maybe it is better to sit on your hands
and avoid upgrading even though Rufus bosts it will do the job.
All my older machines I migrated to Linux Mint (Xfce) years ago already.
It's very robust and more stable in my opinion specially for anyone
who simply needs Email/Browsing/LibreOffice etc. It's a no brainer
if you don't need any specialised or specific software!

--
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On Thu, 12/19/2024 7:59 PM, knuttle wrote:

On 12/19/2024 5:45 PM, Paul wrote:

le Explorer, you can select "Open" of an ISO file, to
mount it as well. In both these cases, a virtual DVD drive will
appear. The Setup.exe file, kicks off a Repair or Upgrade
installation, keeping user programs and user data files.
That can take a PC to the next version.

While there is a lot going around about installing Windows 11 on old machines, if you would rather use your computer rather than hassling with it,ÿ make sure your computer meets the basic standards the MS set up for installing Window 11.

My 4930K, with a real pair of dual x16 video card slots,
is ten years old. It doesn't have MBEC, but it's a great
computer. It has a header for a TPM, but the BIOS does
not have support for TPM 2.0, even if Asus had made
a module for TPM 2.0 for it. It can't do secure boot
(unless I can find one of the older modules, the module
available needed to be flashed up for a security bug).
It has run Windows 11. I brought a Windows 11 disk over
to it, and it booted off it.

I have three other machines now, fully capable of running
Windows 11. The daily driver does not bother with Secure Boot.
The powerful machine has been used for Secure Boot testing.
A third machine, used for hardware test of a processor,
remains in reserve in the junk room, and it can also Secure
Boot if desired. All support MBEC. The only reason for
having three machines, instead of one machine, is I was getting
some fairly weird random crashes, and it took the acquisition
of extra hardware to determine the processor did not need
to be RMAed and the actual problem was an address map
problem with the motherboard (it would appear the iGPU memory
map overlaps with *something* and the graphics driver goes
wobbly and the machine shuts off +5V to the IO ports). This
causes keyboard, mouse, and graphics display to die. Well, it's
all fixed now, after enough hardware trials, I have a config
that lacks address overlaps now (iGPU is turned OFF). But in the
process of debug, I acquired a bit of hardware :-/

Still, the Test Machine is in its spot in the corner,
still continuing to test OSes, and it is the terminal
to my left. I have two keyboards, two mice, two LCD screens,
and half of that hardware is the Test Machine stuff. The
Test machine also serves as my NAS, on its days off.

Paul

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On Thu, 12/19/2024 11:58 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:

I noticed a folder, windows.old, that I presume is just what the name implies. That name should be lengthen by appending .space.hog I think. Is there any reason to not just permanently delete it? There's very little user-level content on the machine. I bought it several years ago so that I could use a tax program (Turbo Tax) that would no longer load on Windows 7. Since we just built a couple 11 machines, that dependency has disappeared.

Good work.

Go to Start : Run

cleanmgr.exe

If you click the "Clean up system files" at the bottom
of the first level screen that appears, the "remove Windows.old"
will appear as an item on the second screen. Carefully edit
the tick boxes, so only the desired deletion target is highlighted.

There have been items in Windows.old in the past, that
defied deletion. One was a namespace path in a Microsoft Office
directory. It had some UTF characters that could not be copied
or rendered in Thunderbird, as an example of the extreme effort
some twit put into making the namespace path in the Windows folder.

It is because of booby traps like that, that deletion by hand with
the Trash bin is not suggested for Windows.old .

1) If you wait ten days, it will disappear on its own and the space
will be recovered. The ten day period, is the amount of time offered
for the user to "Revert" to the older OS, if problems arise.

2) You can use CleanMgr.exe and the second level menu, to remove it
with a tick box. Always untick boxes where you don't know what they do.
At one time, one of the tick boxes would delete your Downloads folder!

Generally you cannot delete Windows.old from Linux, as Windows.old
has some New Compression NTFS files in it, and Linux has no Reparse
Point support for that flavor of RP. Linux will say "IO Error" or
"Access Denied" or the like, while trying to delete Windows.old .

This is why, for experienced users who are house cleaning and
not interested in waiting ten days for the automation, they
use Cleanmgr.exe and remove it that way. CleanMgr did not
have a problem removing the Namespace booby trap. Whoever wrote
it (a female), they know their stuff. Cleanmgr was backported, so
it could be used on older OSes. Just not on WinXP though (as the
layout is different and the ticky boxes don't point at the
right targets).

There does not seem to be a hygienic way of removing New Compression
from files. If you attempt it, the tool flow does not preserve
ownership and permissions properly. Presumably these details
are on purpose. New Compression is mainly used to prevent Windows
users from achieving a result via Linux. Old Compression uses an
attribute to signal it is present to the file system. New Compression
uses a Reparse Point, and Linux has not reverse engineered all of those.
While Linux was reporting "I/O Error" when touching one of those
files, that was scaring the shit out of users, who thought their
disk drive was dying, so the message has been altered a bit on the
Linux side. But the Windows design, continues on with its New scheme.

Paul

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Le 2024-12-19 … 23:58, Jeff Barnett a ‚critÿ:

On 12/19/2024 3:45 PM, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 12/19/2024 5:03 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:

I have a Win 10 Laptop that for a long time had an icon on its
taskbar with an offer to upgrade me to Win 11. It even indicated that
the necessary files were downloaded. Today, I went to use that icon
to do an upgrade but it wasn't there.

Question 1: Is there a way to restore that icon or an equivalent?

Question 2: If not, what must I do to upgraded the laptop?

About the most you can do, to "encourage" Windows Update to do
things, is as follows.

1) Open Settings.
2) Go to Windows Update.
3) Switch this slider to ON:

ÿÿÿÿ "Get the latest updates as soon as they are available"

4) Now, move back up and click the "Check For Updates".

Then see if any new items are offered, for you to
click or interact with.

*******

A second method, is to download the W11 24H2 DVD (ISO) file,
right-click the ISO and select "Mount" from the top of the menu.

If in File Explorer, you can select "Open" of an ISO file, to
mount it as well. In both these cases, a virtual DVD drive will
appear. The Setup.exe file, kicks off a Repair or Upgrade
installation, keeping user programs and user data files.
That can take a PC to the next version.

Any time major changes are done to a computer, you do a backup.
One of the things backup softwares do, is they do a file system
check (like a CHKDSK). Sometimes, when installations have failed,
the root cause of the failure was a corrupt file system. If
your backup refuses to run, and tells you to "fix your file system",
well, an Upgrade Install can't run on a corrupt file system either.

It is for these sorts of reasons, while the installer is
very well designed (it even backs out when you would think
it could not possibly back out), a corrupt file system can
cause problems for you. This is why we do a backup before
clicking too many buttons and getting on any treadmills.

Thanks. I reset the get the latest and the offer to get and install 11 popped up. I clicked on it and came back a few hours later and it was
still loading. Another couple of hours found it installed. Seems to all
be there. By the way, the task bar icon with the offer never reappeared.

I noticed a folder, windows.old, that I presume is just what the name implies. That name should be lengthen by appending .space.hog I think.
Is there any reason to not just permanently delete it? There's very
little user-level content on the machine. I bought it several years ago
so that I could use a tax program (Turbo Tax) that would no longer load
on Windows 7. Since we just built a couple 11 machines, that dependency
has disappeared.

From within 11, you can go to Settings - Storage and delete the old
Windows installation (and other garbage) from there.

--
CrudeSausage

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On 20/12/2024 08:58, Andy Burns wrote:

Jeff Barnett wrote:

I noticed a folder, windows.old [...]
Is there any reason to not just permanently delete it?

It'll be automatically removed after 10(?) days, but if you're 100% sure Win11 is working properly, then using Disk Cleanup Wizard you can remove
it early.

This 10 days is the default but if you want to test Windows 11 for more
than 10 days after which you may want to revert to Windows 10 then there
is away to do this. The simple method is to run this command as Admin in Windows 11 after you have upgraded your system (but before the 10 days
has passed!!!!):

DISM /Online /Set-OSUninstallWindow /Value:60

This gives you the maximum 60 days to change your mind about the
upgrade. Windows.old will remain for 60 days on your system.

You can try this in your virtual box.



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