• Before Dimdows 10 Goes EOL, I'm Testing Linux To Save My Laptop From T

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Jun 26 10:46:09 2025
    Subject: Before Dimdows 10 Goes EOL, I'm Testing Linux To Save My Laptop From
    The Landfill

    Another daily-diary article, this time trying out a few Linux distros
    that might offer a less painful transition for Windows users <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/before-windows-10-goes-eol-im-testing-three-alternative-linux-distros-to-save-my-6-year-old-laptop-from-the-landfill>.

    A lot of the time, it seems to me, the hardest step for a Windows user
    is copying a bootable Linux image (either live OS or installer) onto a
    USB stick. What would be a quick, easy job on Linux itself requires a
    fair bit of faffing about with third-party tools on Windows.

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  • From Joel@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Jun 26 17:56:58 2025
    Subject: Re: Before Dimdows 10 Goes EOL, I'm Testing Linux To Save My Laptop From The Landfill

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Another daily-diary article, this time trying out a few Linux distros
    that might offer a less painful transition for Windows users ><https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/before-windows-10-goes-eol-im-testing-three-alternative-linux-distros-to-save-my-6-year-old-laptop-from-the-landfill>.

    A lot of the time, it seems to me, the hardest step for a Windows user
    is copying a bootable Linux image (either live OS or installer) onto a
    USB stick. What would be a quick, easy job on Linux itself requires a
    fair bit of faffing about with third-party tools on Windows.


    I just like the URL - a six-year-old laptop is too old. That's the
    racket that is the pace of Windows' development. What starts out as a
    fine OS turns into a drain on the whole experience. Linux doesn't do
    that.

    --
    Joel W. Crump

    Amendment XIV
    Section 1.

    [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
    abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
    United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
    life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
    nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
    protection of the laws.

    Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
    liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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  • From Joel@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Jun 27 05:35:39 2025
    Subject: Re: Before Dimdows 10 Goes EOL, I'm Testing Linux To Save My Laptop From The Landfill

    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 6/26/2025 3:56 AM, Joel wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Another daily-diary article, this time trying out a few Linux distros
    that might offer a less painful transition for Windows users
    <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/before-windows-10-goes-eol-im-testing-three-alternative-linux-distros-to-save-my-6-year-old-laptop-from-the-landfill>.

    A lot of the time, it seems to me, the hardest step for a Windows user
    is copying a bootable Linux image (either live OS or installer) onto a
    USB stick. What would be a quick, easy job on Linux itself requires a
    fair bit of faffing about with third-party tools on Windows.

    I just like the URL - a six-year-old laptop is too old. That's the
    racket that is the pace of Windows' development. What starts out as a
    fine OS turns into a drain on the whole experience. Linux doesn't do
    that.

    But liars do.

    Lenovo X390

    I would like to inspect that claim. let's dump the specs. Then check.

    https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/x390/22tp2tx3900?srsltid=AfmBOorreCtpLBORHQWKitmLEijjicouXxdKD8YO1rqIfmtrKjN50vvs

    ***********************************************************************
    8th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-8665U Processor 1.90 GHz 4.80 GHz Turbo, 4C 8T, 8MB Cache
    Operating System Windows 10 Pro 64
    Display 13.3" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS, anti-glare, touchscreen, 300 nits >Graphics Integrated Intel® UHD Graphics
    Battery Up to 17.6 hours with 48 Whr battery*
    16 GB DDR4 2400MHz (Soldered)
    Storage 512 GB PCIe SSD
    Security
    dTPM 2.0
    I/O (Input / Output) Ports
    2 x USB 3.1 Gen 1** (one Always On)
    1 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-C (Power Delivery, DisplayPort, Data transfer)
    1 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C / Intel Thunderbolt 3 (Power Delivery, DisplayPort, Data transfer)
    MicroSD card reader/Micro-SIM combination slot
    Smart card reader (Optional)
    Headphone / mic combo
    HDMI 1.4
    RJ45 via Ethernet Extension adapter (sold separately)

    Intel® 9560 802.11AC (2 x 2) & Bluetooth® 5.1 with vPro™
    Webcam 720p HD
    65W AC adapter (required for Rapid Charge)
    6 Cell Li-Ion 48Whr internal battery >***********************************************************************

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

    Intel Core i7-8665U <=== in the list, 50% down the page

    In fact, not only is the unit perfectly compliant (will pass the Health utility),
    the owner will also receive the free upgrade from his OEM licensed Win10Pro >to Win11Pro.

    The premise is off to a crooked start. The owner didn't even
    test whether it would take an upgrade. It should not even need
    any Rufus flag hacks.

    I'm running a 4th gen processor, a HEDT, and it works too.
    And it's NOT in the list. And it does take the Rufus trick
    to get that installed.


    My CPU is a desktop 10th gen i5, I had Winblows 11, it became
    laughable by 23H2. I wanted to see 24H2 on it, but I would've had to
    create a second media to make my ancient motherboard from 2021
    recognizable to the dramatically newer installer.

    --
    Joel W. Crump

    Amendment XIV
    Section 1.

    [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
    abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
    United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
    life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
    nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
    protection of the laws.

    Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
    liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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  • From WolfFan@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Jun 27 23:53:13 2025
    Subject: Re: Before Dimdows 10 Goes EOL, I'm Testing Linux To Save My Laptop From The Landfill

    On Jun 25, 2025, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote
    (in article <103i58h$3340l$1@dont-email.me>):

    Another daily-diary article, this time trying out a few Linux distros
    that might offer a less painful transition for Windows users <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/before-windows-10-goes-eol-im-testing-
    three-alternative-linux-distros-to-save-my-6-year-old-laptop-from-the-landfill
    .

    A lot of the time, it seems to me, the hardest step for a Windows user
    is copying a bootable Linux image (either live OS or installer) onto a
    USB stick. What would be a quick, easy job on Linux itself requires a
    fair bit of faffing about with third-party tools on Windows.

    1. You don’t have to junk Win 10 if you don’t want to. I have XP and 7 machines running, MS bailed on them a long time ago but they still work, I just have to be careful. As most modern web browsers no longer like XP and it would be a Very Bad Idea(™) to run IE at this late date, the XP machines
    are locked away on a network which has no internet connectivity, and we take precautions when running them. Why run them at all? because they run $150,000 imagesetters, that’s why. The imagesetters are very picky about their drivers (not really drivers, long story, but the imagesetters won’t work without them) and still work, and management will NOT be replacing them as long as they work. So the XP machines live. I have a couple spare XP machines for when one of the units in use croaks, which will happen sooner or later. The Win 7 machines live on for similar, though less expensive, reasons. Now, if you want to go adventuring on ye internet, you might have problems, but
    you can use Win 10 locally for decades or until the hardware dies, whichever comes along first.

    2. I have built USB thumb drives on a number of distros, including Fedora, Ubuntu, assorted Mint, and (once only) Centos. Usually the tools provided
    with the distro (if any...) work well enough, just make sure that the thumb drive is big enough, I usually use 16 or 32 GB drives. If the supplied tools don’t work, or if there aren’t any, Rufus has always worked for me.

    3. the main problems that I’ve found with modern (a.k.a. less than a decade old) laptops is that a lot of them have Safe Boot in the BIOS/UEFI and
    getting around it is a pain, and, worse, a lot of vendors (Lenovo, I’m looking at YOU, you bastards!) have BitLocker set up be default, making life interesting when booted from another device. Neither problem is a game-ender, but both are annoying.

    4. the other problems are drivers. Some vendors (Lenovo again, you bastards!) have limited Linux driver support. Translation: the ‘business’ Lenovos often have ‘most’ hardware supported on Linux, if you dig hard enough,
    the ‘home’ Lenovos don’t have a bloody thing supported, not even a camera. Guess how I know this. Check for driver support before you start.

    5. Some distros work better than others on certain hardware. (Lenovo again!)
    I found that Fedora and Ubuntu are better bets on certain hardware than other distros. Have a look at the ‘user community’ fora for your hardware and see what others have had problems with; the Lenovo fora are infested with people who have had problems with every distro but Fedora and it’s not necessarily smooth sailing with Fedora.

    As always, YMMV. Good luck.


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  • From Joel@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Jun 28 01:28:25 2025
    Subject: Re: Before Dimdows 10 Goes EOL, I'm Testing Linux To Save My Laptop From The Landfill

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 6/26/25 3:20 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:

    I just used rufus to make a USB install drive

    Same thing I do with me W10 customers. I think
    folks are making too big a deal out of all this.


    And when M$ suddenly and without warning makes it impossible to run
    Win11 with unsupported hardware?

    --
    Joel W. Crump

    Amendment XIV
    Section 1.

    [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
    abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
    United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
    life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
    nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
    protection of the laws.

    Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
    liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

    --- MBSE BBS v1.1.1 (Linux-x86_64)
    * Origin: Newshosting.com - Highest quality at a great p (3:633/280.2@fidonet)
  • From WolfFan@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Jun 28 05:09:51 2025
    Subject: Re: Before Dimdows 10 Goes EOL, I'm Testing Linux To Save My Laptop From The Landfill

    On Jun 27, 2025, J. P. Gilliver wrote
    (in article <103mbv2$38t2$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2025/6/27 14:53:13, WolfFan wrote:
    []

    1. You don’t have to junk Win 10 if you don’t want to. I have XP and 7 machines running, MS bailed on them a long time ago but they still work, I just have to be careful. As most modern web browsers no longer like XP and it
    would be a Very Bad Idea(™) to run IE at this late date, the XP machines are locked away on a network which has no internet connectivity, and we take
    precautions when running them. Why run them at all? because they run $150,000
    imagesetters, that’s why. The imagesetters are very picky about their

    What's an imagesetter?

    Prints to film. used for publishing. you use a pro page layout app, lay out the pages, print to laser printers to verify that everythings ok, print to film, burn each page to a plate (four plates for full color, cyan, magenta, yellow, black), slap the plates on the press, print the doc. Newer
    imagestters print directly to plates. They’re also more expensive.


    drivers (not really drivers, long story, but the imagesetters won’t work without them) and still work, and management will NOT be replacing them as long as they work. So the XP machines live. I have a couple spare XP machines
    for when one of the units in use croaks, which will happen sooner or later. The Win 7 machines live on for similar, though less expensive, reasons. Now,
    if you want to go adventuring on ye internet, you might have problems, but you can use Win 10 locally for decades or until the hardware dies, whichever
    comes along first.

    I used both XP and 7 - including on the 'net - long after both ended "support"; for a reasonably savvy user, I think the dangers are much exaggerated. Fair enough, if you have a combination of inexperienced
    users, and critical systems/data that aren't backed up often enough.[]

    If you’re carefull you can get away with using older systems for quite some time. you just have to br careful.


    3. the main problems that I’ve found with modern (a.k.a. less than a decade
    old) laptops is that a lot of them have Safe Boot in the BIOS/UEFI and getting around it is a pain, and, worse, a lot of vendors (Lenovo, I’m
    []

    4. the other problems are drivers. Some vendors (Lenovo again, you bastards!)
    []

    5. Some distros work better than others on certain hardware. (Lenovo again!)

    []
    This particular Lenovo ("ideapad"; bought as refurbished, with W10-64
    already on it) has a little hole on the left, that when poked gives me
    access to the boot menu (trying the various keys - I got the manual - suggested didn't seem to stop W10 booting). I guess it's like the
    "reset" button you used to get on PCs many decades ago, before they
    stopped fitting them presumably because people were hitting them
    accidentally too often.--

    ideapads are the ‘home’ units, thinkpads are the ‘business’ units. It’s a lot easier to put Linuix on thinkpads.

    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Making a plant illegal is like saying God was wrong
    BUT
    Making a plant illegal was one of the first things God ever did...



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