• Where to buy Windows 10 ESU for business?

    From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 12:30:06 2025
    I'm working with some small businesses that want to purchase
    Win10 ESU for at least a year for their older PCs to give them
    some breathing space before replacement.

    After searching for quite a while I have not been able to find
    where to actually purchase Windows 10 ESU licenses for business.
    I have found that it's supposed to be available through Volume
    Licensing, which is now part of Microsoft 365 Admin. Can't find
    it anywhere in there, and using the MS 365 Admin site search
    function to find "ESU" or "Volume Licensing" doesn't come up
    with anything useful.

    I may well be missing something obvious, but is there a link that
    will go to the actual ESU for business purchase page, or a description
    of where it's hiding inside Microsoft 365 Admin?

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  • From John C.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 21:19:58 2025
    On 25/09/01 07:30 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
    I'm working with some small businesses that want to purchase
    Win10 ESU for at least a year for their older PCs to give them
    some breathing space before replacement.

    After searching for quite a while I have not been able to find
    where to actually purchase Windows 10 ESU licenses for business.
    I have found that it's supposed to be available through Volume
    Licensing, which is now part of Microsoft 365 Admin.

    In case you didn't look here (but I'm betting you did):

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/commerce/licenses/manage-volume-licensing?view=o365-worldwide

    or:

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/commerce/?view=o365-worldwide

    Can't find
    it anywhere in there, and using the MS 365 Admin site search
    function to find "ESU" or "Volume Licensing" doesn't come up
    with anything useful.

    I may well be missing something obvious, but is there a link that
    will go to the actual ESU for business purchase page, or a description
    of where it's hiding inside Microsoft 365 Admin?

    I hate it when M$ forces you to *click* *click* *click* etc. to get to
    some critical info you need. And they seem to delight in obscuring
    information like this.

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  • From ...winston@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Sep 3 07:05:29 2025
    Roger Blake wrote:
    I'm working with some small businesses that want to purchase
    Win10 ESU for at least a year for their older PCs to give them
    some breathing space before replacement.

    After searching for quite a while I have not been able to find
    where to actually purchase Windows 10 ESU licenses for business.
    I have found that it's supposed to be available through Volume
    Licensing, which is now part of Microsoft 365 Admin. Can't find
    it anywhere in there, and using the MS 365 Admin site search
    function to find "ESU" or "Volume Licensing" doesn't come up
    with anything useful.

    I may well be missing something obvious, but is there a link that
    will go to the actual ESU for business purchase page, or a description
    of where it's hiding inside Microsoft 365 Admin?

    For business(not consumer)the ESU is offered for Volume Licensing subscriptions and only via Cloud Service Providers beginning Sept 1.


    For commercial organizations: Organizations can subscribe to ESU for $61
    USD per device to receive monthly critical and important security
    updates for one year. The subscription can be renewed annually for up to
    three years, with the cost increasing each yearix. Enrollment is
    available today through the Microsoft Volume Licensing Program and will
    be offered by Cloud Service Providers starting Sept. 1.
    </qp>

    Load this url <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/06/24/stay-secure-with-windows-11-copilot-pcs-and-windows-365-before-support-ends-for-windows-10/>
    ...then skip the dogma about CoPilot and Windows 11 by scrolling all
    the way down to the section labeled:
    'Windows 10 Extended Security Updates: A bridge to your Windows 11
    experience'


    Also see: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates>


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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Sep 3 10:37:05 2025
    On 2025-09-02, ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    For business(not consumer)the ESU is offered for Volume Licensing subscriptions and only via Cloud Service Providers beginning Sept 1.

    Specifically what "Cloud Service Providers"?

    Load this url
    <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/06/24/stay-secure-with-windows-11-copilot-pcs-and-windows-365-before-support-ends-for-windows-10/>
    'Windows 10 Extended Security Updates: A bridge to your Windows 11 experience'

    Thanks, but still lacking details on where to purchase.

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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Sep 3 10:40:39 2025
    On 2025-09-02, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    Where have these companies been?

    They have been not heeding warnings about this from myself and other
    sources, and since ESU was announced by Microsoft they want to use
    that program to extend the life of their older PCs.

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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Sep 3 10:45:30 2025
    On 2025-09-02, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I hate it when M$ forces you to *click* *click* *click* etc. to get to
    some critical info you need. And they seem to delight in obscuring information like this.

    It's like being caught in a maze of twisty little passages.

    It seems that Microsoft is really making this more difficult and obtuse
    than it needs to be. All they need to do is provide a link or links
    labeled "Purchase ESU here", but that would make things way too easy.

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    Roger Blake

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  • From ...winston@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Sep 3 16:18:20 2025
    Roger Blake wrote:
    On 2025-09-02, ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    For business(not consumer)the ESU is offered for Volume Licensing
    subscriptions and only via Cloud Service Providers beginning Sept 1.

    Specifically what "Cloud Service Providers"?

    Load this url
    <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/06/24/stay-secure-with-windows-11-copilot-pcs-and-windows-365-before-support-ends-for-windows-10/>
    'Windows 10 Extended Security Updates: A bridge to your Windows 11
    experience'

    Thanks, but still lacking details on where to purchase.


    Earlier you noted:
    "I'm working with some small businesses that want to purchase
    Win10 ESU for at least a year for their older PCs to give them
    some breathing space before replacement."

    Are these small businesses using volume licensed Windows 10 products?
    or
    Are these small business using retail(or OEM)versions of Windows
    10(Home, Pro)?


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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 02:53:05 2025
    On 2025-09-03, ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    Are these small businesses using volume licensed Windows 10 products?
    or
    Are these small business using retail(or OEM)versions of Windows
    10(Home, Pro)?

    OEM Windows 10 that came preloaded on the PCs, a mix of Home and
    Pro versions. For the most part the only other Microsoft product
    in use is MS Office for Word, Excel, etc. (Some have a standalone
    version of Office, some Microsoft 365 subscriptions.)

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    Roger Blake

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  • From ...winston@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 03:40:25 2025
    Roger Blake wrote:
    On 2025-09-03, ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    Are these small businesses using volume licensed Windows 10 products?
    or
    Are these small business using retail(or OEM)versions of Windows
    10(Home, Pro)?

    OEM Windows 10 that came preloaded on the PCs, a mix of Home and
    Pro versions. For the most part the only other Microsoft product
    in use is MS Office for Word, Excel, etc. (Some have a standalone
    version of Office, some Microsoft 365 subscriptions.)

    Those are consumer, thus Volume Licensing and Cloud services do not apply.
    The consumer ESU version is the only route.

    <https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/end-of-support?r=1#FAQ3>


    How will consumers enroll in the Windows 10 Extended Security Updates
    (ESU) program?
    Enrollment will be available on Windows 10 devices running 22H2 through
    a built-in tool available in Settings for eligible devices.
    </qp>

    i.e. Windows 10 22H2 required and available as an option in Win10 22H2
    Widnows Update.
    3 routes once offered in Win10 22H2 for one year of ESU(Extended
    Security Updates)
    Free - sync pc settings and apps
    Free - redeem 1,000 Microsoft Reward points
    Fee - 30USD

    All transactions managed via the MSFT store and note for any of the
    above routes a MSFT account is required.
    - iirc the same MSFT account can be used to enroll up to 10 devices in
    the Win10 consumer ESU program(login with a MSFT account is necessary to initiate the enrollment process).



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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 05:37:03 2025
    On 2025-09-03, ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    Those are consumer, thus Volume Licensing and Cloud services do not apply.
    The consumer ESU version is the only route.

    <https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/end-of-support?r=1#FAQ3>

    Interesting, that being the case I'm sure customers won't mind
    since ESU is half the price for consumers.

    I had mistakenly assumed when going through the multiple web sites
    documenting the ESU program that "personal" use meant home/student
    computers and "business" or "organization" use meant computers being
    used in a business or organizational setting. Apparently in MS-speak
    that's not the case.

    I wonder though for domain-joined computers if those will still
    fall into the "consumer" category since that's not something that
    consumers typically do.

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  • From John C.@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 10:53:36 2025
    Roger Blake wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    I hate it when M$ forces you to *click* *click* *click* etc. to get to
    some critical info you need. And they seem to delight in obscuring
    information like this.

    It's like being caught in a maze of twisty little passages.

    It seems that Microsoft is really making this more difficult and obtuse
    than it needs to be. All they need to do is provide a link or links
    labeled "Purchase ESU here", but that would make things way too easy.

    Well, let's face it, M$ doesn't want anybody to continue using W10. They
    want everybody to move to the hated W11.

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    time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. I filter crossposts,
    various trolls & dizum.com. This makes ACF easier to read. Take back
    tech corporations from India & industry back from China.

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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 11:05:03 2025
    On 2025-09-04, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Well, let's face it, M$ doesn't want anybody to continue using W10. They
    want everybody to move to the hated W11.

    I do find Windows 11 to be obnoxious as hell right out of the box,
    but that's another discussion entirely...

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    Roger Blake

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  • From Hank Rogers@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 11:16:46 2025
    John C. wrote on 9/3/2025 7:53 PM:
    Roger Blake wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    I hate it when M$ forces you to *click* *click* *click* etc. to get to
    some critical info you need. And they seem to delight in obscuring
    information like this.

    It's like being caught in a maze of twisty little passages.

    It seems that Microsoft is really making this more difficult and obtuse
    than it needs to be. All they need to do is provide a link or links
    labeled "Purchase ESU here", but that would make things way too easy.

    Well, let's face it, M$ doesn't want anybody to continue using W10. They
    want everybody to move to the hated W11.


    Well, there's always linux.



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  • From Hank Rogers@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 11:30:45 2025
    Roger Blake wrote on 9/3/2025 8:05 PM:
    On 2025-09-04, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Well, let's face it, M$ doesn't want anybody to continue using W10. They
    want everybody to move to the hated W11.

    I do find Windows 11 to be obnoxious as hell right out of the box,
    but that's another discussion entirely...


    Always set aside an hour of your time. Go through ALL the settings and
    turn off the hundreds of bullshit items which microsoft runs by default.

    Always make a backup image so you can reload the system if there is a
    future problem. You won't have to install from scratch. And you won't
    have to whine on usenet.

    Another option is to wipe your system and install linux.

    You'll have to learn to use it, so be patient.

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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 12:15:46 2025
    On 2025-09-04, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Always set aside an hour of your time. Go through ALL the settings and
    turn off the hundreds of bullshit items which microsoft runs by default.

    That is what I do when installing a new Windows 11 system.

    Another option is to wipe your system and install linux.
    You'll have to learn to use it, so be patient.

    I have been running Linux on my own computers since the late
    1990s, and prior to that worked with a variety of Unix systems
    since the early 1980s. So most of it is muscle memory at this
    point.

    However, most businesses need to run Windows due to applications
    they need. So although I do not use Windows myself I support it
    for others. (Thankfully just part time at this point since I am
    semi-retired.)

    --
    Roger Blake

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  • From Chris@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 19:07:56 2025
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/9/2 3:30:6, Roger Blake wrote:
    I'm working with some small businesses that want to purchase
    Win10 ESU for at least a year for their older PCs to give them
    some breathing space before replacement.

    []

    Despite being one who really _hates_ the rolling update model M$ have
    now been operating for several years (with, as far as I'm concerned, the change from 10 to 11 just being part of that), I have to ask:

    Where have these companies been? It's not as if the change to 11 has
    been a secret for, I think, at least two years; if a company is using
    Windows for their business, surely they should have been planning for it
    as part of the rolling refresh they should be used to (for _business_ purposes a sort of 3-year redundancy seems to be what we have to work
    with), rather than at this late stage in the game suddenly realising
    they need some "breathing space".

    We're likely talking about small businesses - which are the vast majority - that live year to year and don't have multi-year business plans with
    capital and software refresh cycles.



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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 21:12:42 2025
    On 4/09/2025 11:30 am, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Roger Blake wrote on 9/3/2025 8:05 PM:
    On 2025-09-04, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Well, let's face it, M$ doesn't want anybody to continue using W10. They >>> want everybody to move to the hated W11.

    I do find Windows 11 to be obnoxious as hell right out of the box,
    but that's another discussion entirely...


    Always set aside an hour of your time.ÿ Go through ALL the settings and
    turn off the hundreds of bullshit items which microsoft runs by default.

    Always make a backup image so you can reload the system if there is a
    future problem.ÿ You won't have to install from scratch.ÿ And you won't
    have to whine on usenet.

    Another option is to wipe your system and install linux.

    Why 'wipe your system'?? Why not shrink the Windows install and then
    install Linux in a Dual-boot situation??

    You'll have to learn to use it, so be patient.--
    Daniel70

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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 4 22:35:00 2025
    On 2025-09-04, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    We're likely talking about small businesses - which are the vast majority - that live year to year and don't have multi-year business plans with
    capital and software refresh cycles.

    That's the deal. Frequently such businesses are on about a 10-year
    cycle for replacing PCs. ("It still works, why spend money on a
    new one?")

    If, as "...winston" mentioned in this thread, PCs running OEM
    pre-installed Win10 are only eligible for consumer ESU regardless
    of business use or not, that's the way forward for small businesses
    that don't want to replace PCs yet.

    Microsoft has made this a lot more confusing and difficult than it
    needs to be. It would be more straightforward and less of a hassle
    to just replace the old PCS - but from Microsoft's perspective I
    suppose that's whole point of the exercise.

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    Roger Blake

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  • From ...winston@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Sep 5 01:03:31 2025
    Roger Blake wrote:
    On 2025-09-04, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    We're likely talking about small businesses - which are the vast majority - >> that live year to year and don't have multi-year business plans with
    capital and software refresh cycles.

    That's the deal. Frequently such businesses are on about a 10-year
    cycle for replacing PCs. ("It still works, why spend money on a
    new one?")

    If, as "...winston" mentioned in this thread, PCs running OEM
    pre-installed Win10 are only eligible for consumer ESU regardless
    of business use or not, that's the way forward for small businesses
    that don't want to replace PCs yet.


    Consumer editions are Retail and OEM.
    Windows 10 Home
    Windows 10 Pro

    Business editions are almost always Volume Licensed and Admin
    controlled(or Admin distributed - the latter e.g. to employees, students)
    Windows Enterprise
    Windows Enterprise LTSC
    Windows Enterprise Multi-session(includes Azure, akin but not the same
    as the old Windows Server)
    Windows Education(multiple versions)
    Windows Pro(same as consumer but volume licensed)

    Consumer ESU is a 1 yr plan, and unlike ESU for Business Edition which
    have the option to renew the ESU subscription for up to three years(cost increase for year 2 and again for 3)


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  • From Roger Blake@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Sep 5 04:36:14 2025
    On 2025-09-04, ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    Consumer editions are Retail and OEM.
    Windows 10 Home
    Windows 10 Pro
    ...

    Great, thanks for the additional details!

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