OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the
first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 07:09:10 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the >first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

I had a similar experience a few weeks ago. Turned out my url was
taking me to the wrong bank. Same name, different locality or
something.(seems like I was trying for the bank in Win7 rather than
xp??) IF nothing has changed like that on your failing computer then
that probably isn't your problem.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 11/22/2025 7:09 AM, micky wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

It may be that the bank uses a form of two step notification where when
you first log in to the bank the bank puts a key on your computer. The
next time you log on you enter your id and pass word the bank request
the key, if the key can not be provided the log in fails. Usually when
you first log on from a new system with the key authentication the first
time the bank will text or email a number to enter, the number will authenticate the log in and the key will be saved. From the computer
you can successfully login from you may check your profile and insure
that your phone number can receive text and all of your other
information is correct.

There was a time with our bank when the same thing was happening both
computer were at the same update level of Windows 10. When login in
with the same password and id, one computer would fail the other log in successfully.

I would call the bank and ask them for help.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Sat, 11/22/2025 7:09 AM, micky wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

We need some more color commentary with these setups.
Like, the versions of things in the working and
not working cases, whether the login dialogs look
different at all.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/Z585721y/logging-at-the-bank.jpg

It could be, that the working version is using an
authentication token from a few days ago, and when
that ages out, that config will stop working too.

Maybe one setup uses a web browser, the other uses
a MyBank Metro.App ?

Maybe they use 2FA or a pair of FIDO keys or
a biometric identification method, or so on.

You need to paint us enough of a picture so we
can make a credible stab at it.

The picture of the individual used in my example,
that's just to establish someone who is in a
relaxed frame of mind while logging in.

Paul

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:24:30 +0000, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

micky wrote:

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the
first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be?

Is the computer remembering the username/password, or are you?

No, I don't save usernames or passwords for banks or things involving
money, and definitely not for this bank. I had trouble remembering what
it was, and it was blank until I did remember.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:16:41 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 11/22/2025 7:09 AM, micky wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the
first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

We need some more color commentary with these setups.
Like, the versions of things in the working and
not working cases, whether the login dialogs look
different at all.

Actually when it didn't work, there were two login pages. The one that
comes up first with fields on the left (for Bank of America) and the one
that comes up when the first try fails, with fields in the middle
horizontally.

I'm using Firefox 145.0 (64-bit) in win11 and probably the same in
win10.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/Z585721y/logging-at-the-bank.jpg

It could be, that the working version is using an
authentication token from a few days ago, and when
that ages out, that config will stop working too.

I don't even know what a token is, but I don't think there is one in
use.

Maybe one setup uses a web browser, the other uses
a MyBank Metro.App ?

No, I would have mentioned something like that. Both using Firefox, the
most recent verison for 11, and I think that's the same version for 10.
But even if it's not, I dont' think there is any relevant distinction
between the current version and what would work on win10.

Maybe they use 2FA or a pair of FIDO keys or
a biometric identification method, or so on.

I think BoA used to want some confirmation whenever the Firefox version changed, and in Firefox that's all the time. I'm sure I wasn't the only
one who disliked that and I think they stopped and go by some id of the computer itself.

At any rate, it didn't offer to send a code

I don't share my biometry with anyone! And boa has never asked.

You need to paint us enough of a picture so we
can make a credible stab at it.

The picture of the individual used in my example,
that's just to establish someone who is in a
relaxed frame of mind while logging in.

Paul

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Sat, 11/22/2025 6:46 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:16:41 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 11/22/2025 7:09 AM, micky wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the >>> first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

We need some more color commentary with these setups.
Like, the versions of things in the working and
not working cases, whether the login dialogs look
different at all.

Actually when it didn't work, there were two login pages. The one that comes up first with fields on the left (for Bank of America) and the one
that comes up when the first try fails, with fields in the middle horizontally.

I'm using Firefox 145.0 (64-bit) in win11 and probably the same in
win10.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/Z585721y/logging-at-the-bank.jpg

It could be, that the working version is using an
authentication token from a few days ago, and when
that ages out, that config will stop working too.

I don't even know what a token is, but I don't think there is one in
use.

Maybe one setup uses a web browser, the other uses
a MyBank Metro.App ?

No, I would have mentioned something like that. Both using Firefox, the
most recent verison for 11, and I think that's the same version for 10.
But even if it's not, I dont' think there is any relevant distinction between the current version and what would work on win10.

Maybe they use 2FA or a pair of FIDO keys or
a biometric identification method, or so on.

I think BoA used to want some confirmation whenever the Firefox version changed, and in Firefox that's all the time. I'm sure I wasn't the only
one who disliked that and I think they stopped and go by some id of the computer itself.

At any rate, it didn't offer to send a code

I don't share my biometry with anyone! And boa has never asked.

https://www.bankofamerica.com/customer-service/contact-us/bank-of-america-login-issues/

They seem to concentrate for some reason, on some sort of stale username/password
stored in the password storage on the browser. There is a separate section
on that page, for each browser and removing the stored password.

I can think of another reason, and that would have to do with something
stored in a cookie (cookies.sqlite) or in DOM storage (would have
the name of bankofamerica in it and has three plus signs "+++" as
part of the namestring. You could clean cookie storage and clean at
least the BoA DOM storage folder, so that the cookie info must be
built from scratch.

If you actually cloned the profile folder that Firefox upstairs uses,
from the Firefox downstairs, that might be naughty. Each installation
of Firefox, keeps a unique identifier for tracking the total number
of unique installations. And duplicating a profile (instead of just
moving the bookmarks over), might confuse some of the banks security determinations.

Firefox gets its certificates, from new copies of Firefox. Any certificate revocations or renewals, the certificate store could get updated on
an Upgrade cycle. That's probably not it. There is also a mechanism
for certificate revocation on-the-fly, by the browser checking with
some central site.

Otherwise, without a log file that logs what is happening, it may be
difficult to determine what is failing.

Firefox used to have a "terminal window" that could pop up, with
debug messages. You had to build from source and enable that during
the build. The quality of the printfs in the browser was terrible,
so it did not help with problems.

But individual web pages also have developer mode and there is an
"Error Console" in the browser, and that is most likely to be your
best way to debug what is going on.

*******

"Every time if I disable the NoScript add-on
then FF has no problems at all logging into the BofA site."

Check to see if your crafty tradecraft with computers, has
resulted in the web page being unable to finish the job. You could
be blocking Javascript or something.

Paul

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Nov 2025 09:22:41 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/22/2025 7:09 AM, micky wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the
first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

It may be that the bank uses a form of two step notification where when
you first log in to the bank the bank puts a key on your computer. The >next time you log on you enter your id and pass word the bank request
the key, if the key can not be provided the log in fails. Usually when
you first log on from a new system with the key authentication the first >time the bank will text or email a number to enter, the number will >authenticate the log in and the key will be saved. From the computer
you can successfully login from you may check your profile and insure
that your phone number can receive text and all of your other
information is correct.

I have to read this 3 more times until I can follow it. ;-) But I
think you said the bank would request a key. It didn't. It just said
what I entered didn't match their records And I still had a few tries
left [until they stopped me from trying for a day or two, or made me
call them. It didn't say what the punishement was for being wrong too
many times.]

I must have logged in from the new computer at least once, because it
didn't want to send me a code first.

There was a time with our bank when the same thing was happening both >computer were at the same update level of Windows 10. When login in
with the same password and id, one computer would fail the other log in >successfully.

Amazing. I guess for both of us, there was something going on like
you describe above, or something even more complicated.

BoA doesn't make me change my password or ATM code and I like that, so
maybe they have some better way of checking these things.

I would call the bank and ask them for help.

No real need. I can just use the new computer. I don't log in very
often.

T

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 11/22/2025 9:28 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Nov 2025 09:22:41 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/22/2025 7:09 AM, micky wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the >>> first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

It may be that the bank uses a form of two step notification where when
you first log in to the bank the bank puts a key on your computer. The
next time you log on you enter your id and pass word the bank request
the key, if the key can not be provided the log in fails. Usually when
you first log on from a new system with the key authentication the first
time the bank will text or email a number to enter, the number will
authenticate the log in and the key will be saved. From the computer
you can successfully login from you may check your profile and insure
that your phone number can receive text and all of your other
information is correct.

I have to read this 3 more times until I can follow it. ;-) But I
think you said the bank would request a key. It didn't. It just said
what I entered didn't match their records And I still had a few tries
left [until they stopped me from trying for a day or two, or made me
call them. It didn't say what the punishement was for being wrong too
many times.]

I must have logged in from the new computer at least once, because it
didn't want to send me a code first.

There was a time with our bank when the same thing was happening both
computer were at the same update level of Windows 10. When login in
with the same password and id, one computer would fail the other log in
successfully.

Amazing. I guess for both of us, there was something going on like
you describe above, or something even more complicated.

BoA doesn't make me change my password or ATM code and I like that, so
maybe they have some better way of checking these things.

I would call the bank and ask them for help.

No real need. I can just use the new computer. I don't log in very
often.

T

When you log in the first time the bank puts a Key on your computer. Subsequent login this Key is past to the bank, the bank does not ask you
for the key, the bank computer asked your computer for the key and your computer provides it. With Ancestry which uses a similar system this
key is in the cookies that Ancestry stores on your computer. If you
wipe the cookies, the cookie has to be put on your computer after the
proper verification, usually a text or email.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 22 Nov 2025 07:09:10 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the >first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

Well, it finally let me log in from upstairs, so they've probably
destroyed any evidence of how/why they were stopping me before. Another computer mystery.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

micky wrote on 11/25/2025 3:35 PM:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 22 Nov 2025 07:09:10 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

OT, but I don't know what ng it would be on-t for, and I hate the web.

I tried to log into my bank on the old computer, which I used for at
least 5 years and logged in with many times, but it said the info was
wrong, the UserID or password. Win10. I tried 2 or 3 times.

Then I went downstairs and logged in there with no trouble. Win11.

Then just now a day or two later I wes upstairs and tried again with the
first computer, twice, and again it would not let me.

How can this be? What is going on?

Well, it finally let me log in from upstairs, so they've probably
destroyed any evidence of how/why they were stopping me before. Another computer mystery.

Nah. It's gotta be a conspiracy. Be careful.



--- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)