This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on theOnce I verified it was not the box, or something similar, I would call
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes
gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't
work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was
working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes
to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
On 11/26/2025 8:55 AM, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'mOnce I verified it was not the box, or something similar, I would call
sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the
upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The
Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes
gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't
work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was
working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes
to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my
laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
you ISP and request service. I do not see what could be in the box that >would stop the signal from 3 feet away.
When I access my router web site, there is an option to find the best >channel, and one to manually select the channel used by the router.
You may try these options.
Which brings us back to my first comment I would call my ISP and request >service.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 26 Nov 2025 08:55:57 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my
laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
The VErizon wifi box is only 3 feet from the laptop. Just before it
switched to my wifi, I had gone over there and lifted an 18" cardboard
box with stuff (if you want to know what, I'll look) in it from between
the wifi and the laptop, then 90 seconds later, I put it back where it
was, but that probably is what caused it to switch, and I guess what
made it use my neighbor's in the first place.
The box has been there for weeks but I don't restart the laptop very
often. Later I'll restart again with the box in place and see if it
connects to my neighbor.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 26 Nov 2025 12:16:20 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 11/26/2025 8:55 AM, micky wrote:
Which brings us back to my first comment I would call my ISP and request
service.
I'll do that.
I'm glad my neighbor was there when I needed him. It shows one
advantage of living in a townhouse. You can borrow wifi.
And thanks to you and Carlos.
The VErizon wifi box is only 3 feet from the laptop. Just before it
switched to my wifi, I had gone over there and lifted an 18" cardboard
box with stuff (if you want to know what, I'll look) in it from between
the wifi and the laptop, then 90 seconds later, I put it back where it
was, but that probably is what caused it to switch, and I guess what
made it use my neighbor's in the first place.
The box has been there for weeks but I don't restart the laptop very
often. Later I'll restart again with the box in place and see if it
connects to my neighbor.
select your neighbour's nettwork -> untick the 'Connect automaticallywhen in range' box.
This is not actually intentional, it is that now the free ISP routers
come already protected.
And thanks to you and Carlos.
Welcome.
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.
I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
You're including your neighbour in your computer network.
On Thu, 27 Nov 2025 12:45:56 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[snip]
This is not actually intentional, it is that now the free ISP routers
come already protected.
And thanks to you and Carlos.
Welcome.
I remember years ago when routers came with wiFi enabled, but NO security. Now it would be unusual to find one without security.
BTW, there is still a network here called "FBI Surveillance".
On 2025-11-27 17:29, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2025 12:45:56 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[snip]
This is not actually intentional, it is that now the free ISP routers
come already protected.
And thanks to you and Carlos.
Welcome.
I remember years ago when routers came with wiFi enabled, but NO security. >> Now it would be unusual to find one without security.
BTW, there is still a network here called "FBI Surveillance".
Your neighbour has a sense of humour :-)
On 2025-11-26 18:44, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 26 Nov 2025 12:16:20 -0500, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 11/26/2025 8:55 AM, micky wrote:
...
Which brings us back to my first comment I would call my ISP and request >>> service.
I'll do that.
I'm glad my neighbor was there when I needed him. It shows one
advantage of living in a townhouse. You can borrow wifi.
Here most people protect their wifi with a password, so you can not
borrow it. Sometimes I am at a flat with dozens of WiFis around, none open.
This is not actually intentional, it is that now the free ISP routers
come already protected.
And thanks to you and Carlos.
Welcome.
On 2025/11/27 19:6:31, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-11-27 17:29, Mark Lloyd wrote:I once came across a network called "show us your tits". (No, I did not
On Thu, 27 Nov 2025 12:45:56 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[snip]
This is not actually intentional, it is that now the free ISP routers
come already protected.
And thanks to you and Carlos.
Welcome.
I remember years ago when routers came with wiFi enabled, but NO security. >>> Now it would be unusual to find one without security.
BTW, there is still a network here called "FBI Surveillance".
Your neighbour has a sense of humour :-)
try connecting to it! It was in Heaton, Newcastle, England.)
On 2025-11-27 18:13, Chris wrote:
You're including your neighbour in your computer network.
Rather you are including your computer into your neighbour network.
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes
gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't
work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was
working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes
to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:[...]
[...]OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
I made a mistake not changing the password to something I could.
remember. they have to use one that no other subscriber to Verizon has
I'd only have to use one that no other neighbor had and no one around
could guess, or use software to find. Didn't know how many times I'd
have to enter it, the printer, the cell phone, the next cell phone, a
TV, Alexa maybe, and a couple other things I didn't forexee and don't rmeember. I should have made it shorter and easier.
And thanks to you and Carlos.
Welcome.
I made a mistake not changing the password to something I could
remember. they have to use one that no other subscriber to Verizon has.
I'd only have to use one that no other neighbor had and no one around
could guess, or use software to find. Didn't know how many times I'd
have to enter it, the printer, the cell phone, the next cell phone, a
TV, Alexa maybe, and a couple other things I didn't forexee and don't rmeember. I should have made it shorter and easier.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
I once came across a network called "show us your tits". (No, I did not
try connecting to it! It was in Heaton, Newcastle, England.)
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:[...]
[...]OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm
sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
Huh? Micky obviously got his neighbour's permission to use his/her
WiFi, otherwise how would he know the password?
A quite different issue is if the neighbour's ISP would condone such a setup/use.
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm
sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm
sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.˙˙ I would think
not but just want to be sure.˙˙˙ He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik.˙ If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the
upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either.˙ The
Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes
gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't
work last night.˙˙ Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was
working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes
to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my
laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:[...]
[...]OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think >>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
Huh? Micky obviously got his neighbour's permission to use his/her
WiFi, otherwise how would he know the password?
Why "obviously"? It's not that unusual to see open wifi networks.
A quite different issue is if the neighbour's ISP would condone such a setup/use.
They don't care.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 18:13, Chris wrote:
You're including your neighbour in your computer network.
Rather you are including your computer into your neighbour network.
Fair. The risk is similar however.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 12:41:13 -0600, Marcus90@guess.com wrote:
I might have missed it, but did anyone in this overdone thread even
begin to mention that what this user is doing is wrong? Or is this no
longer pertinent in this day and age?
I don't think he needs a morality re-education.
Everyone who knows nothing about the technical issues always seems to harp
on their personal "moral" aspect, where some people mentioned what you say, but as others have already noted, there's no reason to suspect illegal purposeful intent so I, for one, kept all my responses purely technical.
However, since I'm on Apple newsgroups, I'm very familiar with people claiming the moral high ground solely as a substitute for knowledge about
the situation. An example is iOS owners always claim that the reason they can't do things everyone else can do (even macOS owners can do them) is
that Apple is "more moral" than Google or Microsoft (e.g., iOS can't do
TOR, and iOS can't spoof GPS, and iOS can't randomize MAC addresses per connection, and iOS can't run system-wide firewalls, and iOS can't torrent, and the list goes on and on and on for whatg iOS can't do that the iOS
owners falsely claim is a "moral" issue).
Back to morals...
In this thread, plenty of people explained to the OP how to "forget" and "block" connections to nearby unsecured SSIDs, which is all he needs.
netsh wlan add filter permission=block ssid="Neighbor_SSID" networktype=infrastructure
On 2025-11-28 09:16, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 18:13, Chris wrote:
You're including your neighbour in your computer network.
Rather you are including your computer into your neighbour network.
Fair. The risk is similar however.
Yes, but it is only your computer that is involved, not all your
machines.
And all of your neighbour machines could be affected.
Depends who is the bad guy. Maybe no one is a bad guy. Oh, unless some machine involved has some type of malware.
That's one reason why all my computers have a firewall.
Yes, there used to be some open networks, but not so much these days.
I just checked the networks I can see. There are 23 networks (we live
in an appartment building). All but 2 are closed. One 'open' one is a
nearby hotel, but that gives 'Can't connect to the network'. The other
open one says 'Hidden network', so no visible SSID. I don't want to try
to connect to that network.
So yes, there possibly is an open network, but the large majority are closed.
Anyway, I've told Micky how he can prevent an auto-connect or do aI think, in theory, they do care, and it's your responsibility to
Forget.
A quite different issue is if the neighbour's ISP would condone such a >>> setup/use.
They don't care.
Well, there was a time when some/mine did. I don't know if that's
still the case.
Indeed! But I think it's time for a detailed, comprehensive, adult tutorial.
Marian wrote on 11/28/2025 1:18 PM:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 12:41:13 -0600, Marcus90@guess.com wrote:
I might have missed it, but did anyone in this overdone thread even
begin to mention that what this user is doing is wrong?? Or is this no
longer pertinent in this day and age?
I don't think he needs a morality re-education.
Everyone who knows nothing about the technical issues always seems to harp >> on their personal "moral" aspect, where some people mentioned what you say, >> but as others have already noted, there's no reason to suspect illegal
purposeful intent so I, for one, kept all my responses purely technical.
However, since I'm on Apple newsgroups, I'm very familiar with people
claiming the moral high ground solely as a substitute for knowledge about
the situation. An example is iOS owners always claim that the reason they
can't do things everyone else can do (even macOS owners can do them) is
that Apple is "more moral" than Google or Microsoft (e.g., iOS can't do
TOR, and iOS can't spoof GPS, and iOS can't randomize MAC addresses per
connection, and iOS can't run system-wide firewalls, and iOS can't torrent, >> and the list goes on and on and on for whatg iOS can't do that the iOS
owners falsely claim is a "moral" issue).
Back to morals...
In this thread, plenty of people explained to the OP how to "forget" and
"block" connections to nearby unsecured SSIDs, which is all he needs.
? netsh wlan add filter permission=block ssid="Neighbor_SSID" networktype=infrastructure
Indeed!? But I think it's time for a detailed, comprehensive, adult tutorial.
On 2025/11/28 19:5:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[]
Yes, there used to be some open networks, but not so much these days.
I just checked the networks I can see. There are 23 networks (we live
in an appartment building). All but 2 are closed. One 'open' one is a nearby hotel, but that gives 'Can't connect to the network'. The other
open one says 'Hidden network', so no visible SSID. I don't want to try
to connect to that network.
So yes, there possibly is an open network, but the large majority are closed.
There's a third wrinkle, in UK and other countries: networks that appear
to be open, but only show you one page, which is a login one. (At least
I think that's what they show - I haven't tried one for years.) These
are where the router belongs to a customer of one of those providers who claim millions of hotspots, by making all their routers have an open connection, but further authentication is required further down the line
for anyone who does connect to them. (I presume they limit such
connections to some fraction of the available speed/capacity, so the
"owner" isn't inconvenienced if someone uses them.) The first such
network I heard of was FON, which I think originated in Spain.
On 29/11/2025 6:05 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Yes, there used to be some open networks, but not so much these
days.
I just checked the networks I can see. There are 23 networks (we
live in an appartment building). All but 2 are closed. One 'open' one
is a nearby hotel, but that gives 'Can't connect to the network'.
If you take a wander down to that Hotel, might you be able to find out
what the "Password for Today" is.
I've seen that sort of thing in some Government offices, here in
Australia, so the 'Customers' can make use of the Wi-Fi whilst waiting
for their appointment.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-28 09:16, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 18:13, Chris wrote:
You're including your neighbour in your computer network.
Rather you are including your computer into your neighbour network.
Fair. The risk is similar however.
Yes, but it is only your computer that is involved, not all your
machines.
If the computer is on the LAN - micky mentioned an ethernet connection -
then everything is exposed.
And all of your neighbour machines could be affected.
Depends who is the bad guy. Maybe no one is a bad guy. Oh, unless some
machine involved has some type of malware.
Most likely there is no bad guy.
That's one reason why all my computers have a firewall.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/11/28 19:5:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:
I think for FON, the public hotspot did (does?) use some of the
owner's bandwidth.
[...]
On 26/11/2025 9:55 pm, micky wrote:
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my
laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
Your neighbor's internet belongs not to you. Stop using it. :)
Contact your cable service provider to fix the modem problem. Does it
have LAN ports? Are they still working?
Yes, we (in The Netherlands) used to have such ISP WiFi hotspots,
including my ISP. But these days most of them have gone, because there
are many more 'normal' WiFi hotspots and 'everyone' has a smartphone.
For the ISP WiFi hotspots, bandwidth taken from it's 'owner' was nota
problem, because the modems provided a seperate hotspot with its own
channel for the public hotspot function.
I think for FON, the public hotspot did (does?) use some of the--
owner's bandwidth.
[...]
On 2025/11/29 11:22:10, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[]
Yes, we (in The Netherlands) used to have such ISP WiFi hotspots, including my ISP. But these days most of them have gone, because there
are many more 'normal' WiFi hotspots and 'everyone' has a smartphone.
(Not quite - I don't currently, for example!)
Having a smartphone
doesn't give your laptop access, though, unless you configure the 'phone
as a hotspot, which (a) many users wouldn't know how to do, (b) maybe
some smartphones can't be [I don't know], (c) the service provider may prohibit it, (d) the speed might not be as good as a home broadband one. (Might be better, of course.)>
For the ISP WiFi hotspots, bandwidth taken from it's 'owner' was not a problem, because the modems provided a seperate hotspot with its own channel for the public hotspot function.
Well, I presume the two - though entirely separate - shared the
"bandwidth" available from a home broadband connection; I don't imagine
the provider paid for a higher-speed connection. The maximum speed they promised their home customer might be a little lower?>
I think for FON, the public hotspot did (does?) use some of the
owner's bandwidth.
On 2025-11-28 17:00, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 26/11/2025 9:55 pm, micky wrote:
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
Your neighbor's internet belongs not to you. Stop using it. :)
It is that neighbour responsibility to close the door, ie, put a
password on his WiFi.
There are computers and phones that will connect automatically (by
default) to any open WiFi without asking.
On 29/11/2025 9:36 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:a
On 2025-11-28 17:00, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 26/11/2025 9:55 pm, micky wrote:
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of
f using his,neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes o
Iit just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which
d mythought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter sai
.laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February
Your neighbor's internet belongs not to you. Stop using it. :)
It is that neighbour responsibility to close the door, ie, put a
password on his WiFi.
There are computers and phones that will connect automatically (by
default) to any open WiFi without asking.
You do NOT take advantage of others' mistakes. :)
Carlos was pointing out that some things will connect to any open wifi, _without the user knowing_. That is not "taking advantage" - or if it
is, your opprobrium needs to be addressed to the makers of such
equipment, not the users.
On 30/11/2025 9:48 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Carlos was pointing out that some things will connect to any open wifi,
_without the user knowing_. That is not "taking advantage" - or if it
is, your opprobrium needs to be addressed to the makers of such
equipment, not the users.
Well, I don't use automatic wifi connect. I always look for my own
router's SSID. :)
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm
sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.˙˙ I would think
not but just want to be sure.˙˙˙ He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik.˙ If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either.˙ The
Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes
gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't
work last night.˙˙ Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was
working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes
to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit.
Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:[...]
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:[...]
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit.
Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi:
<micky>
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. </micky>
So *instead of* connecting to his "cable" (wired LAN?) or WiFi, his *computer* (*not* micky) connected to his neighbour's WiFi.
Could he have disconnected the neighbour's WiFi in those 30 minutes?
Yes. Did he know how to do that? I don't know.
As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve
your harsh condemnation.
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit.
Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi:
<micky>
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. </micky>
So *instead of* connecting to his "cable" (wired LAN?) or WiFi, his *computer* (*not* micky) connected to his neighbour's WiFi.
Could he have disconnected the neighbour's WiFi in those 30 minutes?
Yes. Did he know how to do that? I don't know.
As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve
your harsh condemnation.
As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve
your harsh condemnation.
In my view, using an open WiFi is permitted.
On 2025-12-01 14:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:[...]
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi:
<micky>
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. </micky>
So *instead of* connecting to his "cable" (wired LAN?) or WiFi, his *computer* (*not* micky) connected to his neighbour's WiFi.
Could he have disconnected the neighbour's WiFi in those 30 minutes? Yes. Did he know how to do that? I don't know.
As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve your harsh condemnation.
In my view, using an open WiFi is permitted.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
I made a mistake not changing the password to something I could
remember. they have to use one that no other subscriber to Verizon has.
I'd only have to use one that no other neighbor had and no one around
could guess, or use software to find. Didn't know how many times I'd
have to enter it, the printer, the cell phone, the next cell phone, a
TV, Alexa maybe, and a couple other things I didn't forexee and don't
rmeember. I should have made it shorter and easier.
You're mixing up passwords.
There are two passwords: 1) The one to access the web UI of the
modem/router and 2) the password for your WiFi network.
1) probably should be unique, but must not be unique, because it's
only accessed from your (hardwired or/and wireless) network.
2) is unique as shipped from / installed by the ISP, but as soon as
you change the SSID (your WiFi network name) it can be anything you
like, provided it matches the rules defined by the router and is
sufficiently secure.
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.˙˙ I would think >>>> not but just want to be sure.˙˙˙ He's a smart guy but no tech genius
afaik.˙ If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either.˙ The
Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes
gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>> work last night.˙˙ Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was
working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>> to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>> it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit.
Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
Carlos was pointing out that some things will connect to any open wifi,
_without the user knowing_. That is not "taking advantage" - or if it
is, your opprobrium needs to be addressed to the makers of such
equipment, not the users.
Well, I don't use automatic wifi connect. I always look for my own
router's SSID. :)
I use automatic wifi connect, to known wifis. I have disabled connect to open wifis.
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.˙˙ I would think >>>>> not but just want to be sure.˙˙˙ He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>> afaik.˙ If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either.˙ The
Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>> work last night.˙˙ Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>> to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>> it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit.
Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation".
Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however.
wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:[...]
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit.
Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi:
<micky>
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. </micky>
So *instead of* connecting to his "cable" (wired LAN?) or WiFi, his *computer* (*not* micky) connected to his neighbour's WiFi.
Could he have disconnected the neighbour's WiFi in those 30 minutes?
Yes. Did he know how to do that? I don't know.
As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve
your harsh condemnation.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve >>> your harsh condemnation.
In my view, using an open WiFi is permitted.
I agree with both Carlos & Frank since I agree with anyone, no matter who they are, if they post a reasonably sensibly logically stated view.
However... I just looked up US case law on this topic for the first time,
and while case law may well differ in Frank's & Carlos' location across the pond, I'm assuming the OP is in the United States whose law I looked up.
Below is a copied-and-pasted response from the references...
In the United States, using a neighbor's open Wi-Fi without permission is generally considered unauthorized access under federal and state law. Even
if the network is unsecured, courts have treated this as potentially
illegal. Case law and statutes (like the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act) support that "piggybacking" on someone else's Wi-Fi can be prosecuted,
though enforcement is rare unless other crimes are involved.
Federal Law - Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA): The CFAA (18 U.S.C. Sec. 1030) makes it a crime to intentionally access a "protected computer"
without authorization. Courts have interpreted Wi-Fi routers and networks
as "protected computers." Thus, connecting to a neighbor's Wi-Fi without consent can fall under this statute.
Many states have their own computer crime statutes that prohibit
unauthorized access to networks. For example, Florida and Michigan have prosecuted individuals for unauthorized Wi-Fi use under state computer
crime laws.
On 2/12/2025 8:33 pm, wasbit wrote:
Whether it was accidental or not he connected to his neighbour's wifi.
Once he realised,
... *and knowingly continued* ...
without permission it was theft.
In the UK it is an offence under the Communications Act 2003 & possibly
the Computer Misuse Act.
On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.˙˙ I would think >>>>>> not but just want to be sure.˙˙˙ He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>> afaik.˙ If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either.˙ The
Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>>> work last night.˙˙ Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>>> to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>>> it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>>
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband >> connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation".
Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however.
Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited.
Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB.
On 01/12/2025 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:[...]
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi:
Whether it was accidental or not he connected to his neighbour's wifi.
Once he realised, without permission it was theft.
In the UK it is an offence under the Communications Act 2003 & possibly
the Computer Misuse Act.
It is up to the OP to clarify.
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.˙˙ I would think >>>>>>> not but just want to be sure.˙˙˙ He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>>> afaik.˙ If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the
upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either.˙ The >>>>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>>>> work last night.˙˙ Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>>>> to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>>>> it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I >>>>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my
laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>>>
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>>> about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband >>> connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation".
Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however.
Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited.
Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB.
You're the exception rather than the rule.
On 01/12/2025 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:[...]
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi:
Whether it was accidental or not he connected to his neighbour's wifi.
Once he realised, without permission it was theft.
In the UK it is an offence under the Communications Act 2003 & possibly
the Computer Misuse Act.
It is up to the OP to clarify.
<micky>
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. </micky>
So *instead of* connecting to his "cable" (wired LAN?) or WiFi, his *computer* (*not* micky) connected to his neighbour's WiFi.
Could he have disconnected the neighbour's WiFi in those 30 minutes? Yes. Did he know how to do that? I don't know.
As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve your harsh condemnation.
In the United States, using a neighbor's open Wi-Fi without permission is generally considered unauthorized access under federal and state law. Even if the network is unsecured, courts have treated this as potentially illegal. Case law and statutes (like the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act) support that "piggybacking" on someone else's Wi-Fi can be prosecuted, though enforcement is rare unless other crimes are involved.
Winston wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if/how that means Amazon Sidewalk design
and devices constitute widespread unauthorized access.
Sidewalk devices use Ring doorbell and Amazon Echo devices as routers
and are allowed to use up to 500MB worth of data from each such router.
The owners of these devices are not allowed to see who their devices
connect to (either direction). Furthermore, Sidewalk device connections
are enabled and allowed by default ("opt out", not "opt in"), so this
will, in many cases, happen without the Ring/Echo owner's knowledge,
understanding, or explicit consent.
Hi Winston,
I was unaware of this. I'm on Amazon Vine so I get all sorts of cameras for free but I noticed all of the cameras on Vine went to the Internet instead
of ONLY to your router or only to the sd card on the camera itself.
On 2025-12-02 15:11, Chris wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.˙˙ I would think >>>>>>>> not but just want to be sure.˙˙˙ He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>>>> afaik.˙ If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the
upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either.˙ The >>>>>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>>>>> work last night.˙˙ Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>>>>> to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>>>>> it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I >>>>>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my
laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>>>>
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>>>> about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband
connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation".
Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however.
Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited.
Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB.
You're the exception rather than the rule.
Depends. Spain has a very deep fibre coverage, but there are rural areas without. If you have to depend on a router with a SIM card,
many
providers limit the downloads per month. Even if you contract a
limitless connection, in actual practice they have limits, and may
severe your connection if you download movies every day.
I had a beach residence with such a connection. Land line copper
connection had been available, till the entire copper network was decommissioned, and they did not deploy fibre to every place that had
copper previously. Just 200 meters away.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-12-02 15:11, Chris wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:
On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm
sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?.˙˙ I would think
not but just want to be sure.˙˙˙ He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>>>>> afaik.˙ If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the
upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either.˙ The >>>>>>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't
work last night.˙˙ Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes
to my computer.
This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi˙˙ Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
it just switched to my wifi.˙ But still not to the cable, which I >>>>>>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my
laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>>>>>
Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>>>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>>>>> about having permission.
Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband
connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation".
Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however. >>>>>
Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited.
Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB.
You're the exception rather than the rule.
Depends. Spain has a very deep fibre coverage, but there are rural areas
without. If you have to depend on a router with a SIM card,
That's not broadband in my book. It's mobile data.
many
providers limit the downloads per month. Even if you contract a
limitless connection, in actual practice they have limits, and may
severe your connection if you download movies every day.
None of this is relevant to a neighbour accidentally connecting to your
wifi. My point is there is no theft as there's no deprivation of internet access.
I had a beach residence with such a connection. Land line copper
connection had been available, till the entire copper network was
decommissioned, and they did not deploy fibre to every place that had
copper previously. Just 200 meters away.
Like I said. That's an exception.
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