• Google bullying

    From Jim the Geordie@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 12:28:47 2026
    I usually use Betterbird as my default email client; with Opera on my
    mobile and Edge on my desktop as default browsers.
    I have used Outlook in the past and thought I would have alook at the
    latest version. On my mobile I loaded my domain account with no problem,
    but when I tried to install my Gmail account it said that I could ONLY
    use Chrome as my browser. When I tried to install my Gmail account on my desktop, it refused connection,so I assume that is the same reason.
    I assume Google don't want me to use Outlook, but in doing so they have finally put me off Chrome, which I never liked in th firstplace.

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  • From Graham J@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 13:09:45 2026
    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    I usually use Betterbird as my default email client; with Opera on my
    mobile and Edge on my desktop as default browsers.
    I have used Outlook in the past and thought I would have alook at the
    latest version. On my mobile I loaded my domain account with no problem,
    but when I tried to install my Gmail account it said that I could ONLY
    use Chrome as my browser. When I tried to install my Gmail account on my desktop, it refused connection,so I assume that is the same reason.
    I assume Google don't want me to use Outlook, but in doing so they have finally put me off Chrome, which I never liked in th firstplace.


    It used to be possible to connect to a Gmail account using Outlook, but
    it required a separate profile. Thus rendering the use of Outlook
    pointless. Clearly a conscious design decision by Google.

    So make your choice: browser-based email, or client-based. You can't
    have both.

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 22:30:42 2026
    On 14/1/2026 9:09 pm, Graham J wrote:

    It used to be possible to connect to a Gmail account using Outlook, but
    it required a separate profile. Thus rendering the use of Outlook
    pointless. Clearly a conscious design decision by Google.
    I think you can work around it, by MKLINK maybe. BUT, Outlook has only
    one big OUTLOOK.PST, not like Thunderbird's Mail directory.

    But first and foremost, can Outlook talk to Gmail's oAuth2?

    outlook gmail oauth2 - Google ?? https://www.google.com/search?q=outlook+gmail+oauth2

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  • From VanguardLH@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 08:55:46 2026
    Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:

    I usually use Betterbird as my default email client; with Opera on my
    mobile and Edge on my desktop as default browsers.
    I have used Outlook in the past and thought I would have alook at the
    latest version. On my mobile I loaded my domain account with no problem,
    but when I tried to install my Gmail account it said that I could ONLY
    use Chrome as my browser. When I tried to install my Gmail account on my desktop, it refused connection,so I assume that is the same reason.
    I assume Google don't want me to use Outlook, but in doing so they have finally put me off Chrome, which I never liked in th firstplace.

    The latest version of Outlook. That could be for Office 365, Office
    2023 standalone, or new Outlook (yep, "new" is part of the product
    name). Microsoft is trying to change new Outlook to Outlook and Outlook standalone to Outlook Classic. Then there are the web apps at
    Outlook.com, a web site, not a program, like Betterbird).

    Assuming "Outlook" meant a standalone version of Outlook, I don't see
    how any web browser - Opera, Edge, or Chrome - come into play. Unlike Thunderbird, and its Betterbird variant, Outlook Classic is not built
    atop web browser code.

    The only time web browsing comes into play that I can remember when
    using Outlook Classic is to add an OAUTH2 server into an account defined
    in Outlook Classic. To get an OAUTH2 token requires granting your
    e-mail client access to your e-mail account. To check you have access,
    the e-mail client loads the web browser to the webmail app page, and has
    you login to prove it's you via your e-mail client that wants access.
    If the login succeeds, the OAUTH2 server delivers the OAUTH2 tokens to
    the e-mail client to store in its credentials cache.

    Thunderbird and Betterbird contain Firefox code, so they can view HTML
    content without having to load a separate instance of a web browser.
    However, when creating OAUTH2 account, all e-mail clients have to use a
    web browser to get to the webmail's login page to validate you are the
    account owner by having you login there. (Thunder|Better)bird can use
    their own integral web browser. Other e-mail clients, like Outlook
    Classic, have to load a web browser.

    In Edge, can you visit gmail.com? Can you login okay? If not, perhaps
    you installed an extension into Edge that interferes with rendering the
    web page, or block its resources, like an adblocker. If you are using a
    VPN that is always on, turn it off to retest. Other than Windows
    Defender, temporarily disable any 3rd-party anti-virus/malware software
    you have running. Try disabling any add-ons you installed in
    Betterbird. If you cannot login, could be Google wants to verify it is
    you trying to gain access, so they send a login code to your recovery
    methods you defined in your Gmail account (alternate e-mail, phone
    number [that MUST be SMS capable to get texts since they don't do
    robovoice calls anymore]. When in Gmail, or your Google account
    settings, you can generate a slew of backup codes that you can enter to
    prove it's you trying to get into a Gmail account. After generating the
    backup codes, and saving them somewhere, supposedly you can use one of
    them (you get 10) to complete the login. I've never had to use the
    backup codes, but have needed to use my phone as a recovery method.

    Despite all recovery methods you defined in your Google account, none of
    them will work, because the web page you're presented when generating an
    OAUTH2 token doesn't grant you recovery methods. Use a web browser to
    visit gmail.com, login, and do whatever the aholes want to complete the
    login to finally get you into your Gmail account. Then logout (not just
    close a tab in the web browser, but use the sign out in the menu), and
    attempt another login to check that you are not afflicted with yet
    another security interruption.

    By the way, I have Hotmail, Comcast (my ISP), and Gmail accounts define
    in my Outlook [Classic] 2021 (part of Office 2021 Pro Plus standalone).
    The only time it ever opens a web browser is: (1) When I elect to render
    an e-mail in a web browser instead of inside of Outlook Classic; and,
    (2) During the process to get OAUTH2 tokens. Both use whatever is my
    default web browser. Used to be Firefox, but now Edge. All 3 e-mail
    accounts are in the same Outlook profile. I only have 1 profile.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 14:55:56 2026
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    I usually use Betterbird as my default email client; with Opera on my mobile and Edge on my desktop as default browsers.
    I have used Outlook in the past and thought I would have alook at the latest version. On my mobile I loaded my domain account with no problem, but when I tried to install my Gmail account it said that I could ONLY
    use Chrome as my browser. When I tried to install my Gmail account on my desktop, it refused connection,so I assume that is the same reason.
    I assume Google don't want me to use Outlook, but in doing so they have finally put me off Chrome, which I never liked in th firstplace.

    It used to be possible to connect to a Gmail account using Outlook, but
    it required a separate profile. Thus rendering the use of Outlook pointless. Clearly a conscious design decision by Google.

    So make your choice: browser-based email, or client-based. You can't
    have both.

    It's not quite clear what Jim the Geordie is doing *exactly*, but I
    don't agree with your (Graham) last statement, at least not for Windows:

    On my Windows (11) laptop, I can use my Gmail accounts in Thunderbird
    (i.e. client-based email) *and* in Edge (i.e. non-Chrome browser-based
    email) *and* in Chrome.

    So if Jim has a problem, it's probably an Outlook problem.

    Fun part: For me Gmail works in Outlook, while I actually do not want
    to use Outlook. (Outlook says "Sync your Gmail account", but I click
    'Cancel', because I don't want my "emails, calendar, events and contacts
    ... synced to the Microsoft Cloud". But despite my Cancel, Outlook keeps notifying me of new mail in my Gmail account. Go figure! :-))

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  • From ...w¡ñ?±?ñ@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 09:59:26 2026
    VanguardLH wrote on 1/14/2026 7:55 AM:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:

    I usually use Betterbird as my default email client; with Opera on my
    mobile and Edge on my desktop as default browsers.
    I have used Outlook in the past and thought I would have alook at the
    latest version. On my mobile I loaded my domain account with no problem,
    but when I tried to install my Gmail account it said that I could ONLY
    use Chrome as my browser. When I tried to install my Gmail account on my
    desktop, it refused connection,so I assume that is the same reason.
    I assume Google don't want me to use Outlook, but in doing so they have
    finally put me off Chrome, which I never liked in th firstplace.

    The latest version of Outlook. That could be for Office 365, Office
    2023 standalone, or new Outlook (yep, "new" is part of the product
    name). Microsoft is trying to change new Outlook to Outlook and Outlook standalone to Outlook Classic. Then there are the web apps at
    Outlook.com, a web site, not a program, like Betterbird).

    Assuming "Outlook" meant a standalone version of Outlook, I don't see
    how any web browser - Opera, Edge, or Chrome - come into play. Unlike Thunderbird, and its Betterbird variant, Outlook Classic is not built
    atop web browser code.

    The only time web browsing comes into play that I can remember when
    using Outlook Classic is to add an OAUTH2 server into an account defined
    in Outlook Classic. To get an OAUTH2 token requires granting your
    e-mail client access to your e-mail account. To check you have access,
    the e-mail client loads the web browser to the webmail app page, and has
    you login to prove it's you via your e-mail client that wants access.
    If the login succeeds, the OAUTH2 server delivers the OAUTH2 tokens to
    the e-mail client to store in its credentials cache.

    Thunderbird and Betterbird contain Firefox code, so they can view HTML content without having to load a separate instance of a web browser.
    However, when creating OAUTH2 account, all e-mail clients have to use a
    web browser to get to the webmail's login page to validate you are the account owner by having you login there. (Thunder|Better)bird can use
    their own integral web browser. Other e-mail clients, like Outlook
    Classic, have to load a web browser.

    In Edge, can you visit gmail.com? Can you login okay? If not, perhaps
    you installed an extension into Edge that interferes with rendering the
    web page, or block its resources, like an adblocker. If you are using a
    VPN that is always on, turn it off to retest. Other than Windows
    Defender, temporarily disable any 3rd-party anti-virus/malware software
    you have running. Try disabling any add-ons you installed in
    Betterbird. If you cannot login, could be Google wants to verify it is
    you trying to gain access, so they send a login code to your recovery
    methods you defined in your Gmail account (alternate e-mail, phone
    number [that MUST be SMS capable to get texts since they don't do
    robovoice calls anymore]. When in Gmail, or your Google account
    settings, you can generate a slew of backup codes that you can enter to
    prove it's you trying to get into a Gmail account. After generating the backup codes, and saving them somewhere, supposedly you can use one of
    them (you get 10) to complete the login. I've never had to use the
    backup codes, but have needed to use my phone as a recovery method.

    Despite all recovery methods you defined in your Google account, none of
    them will work, because the web page you're presented when generating an OAUTH2 token doesn't grant you recovery methods. Use a web browser to
    visit gmail.com, login, and do whatever the aholes want to complete the
    login to finally get you into your Gmail account. Then logout (not just close a tab in the web browser, but use the sign out in the menu), and attempt another login to check that you are not afflicted with yet
    another security interruption.

    By the way, I have Hotmail, Comcast (my ISP), and Gmail accounts define
    in my Outlook [Classic] 2021 (part of Office 2021 Pro Plus standalone).
    The only time it ever opens a web browser is: (1) When I elect to render
    an e-mail in a web browser instead of inside of Outlook Classic; and,
    (2) During the process to get OAUTH2 tokens. Both use whatever is my
    default web browser. Used to be Firefox, but now Edge. All 3 e-mail accounts are in the same Outlook profile. I only have 1 profile.

    The OP mentioned 'latest version' but has yet to specify the edition and version(Calendar Year if perpetual or M365)
    - Perpetual have a Calendar year designation
    - M365 does, but different naming CY/MM found in File/Office
    account/About (latest deployed is 2512 or 2601)

    Also note....Outlook perpetual(2021 and later), Outlook(desktop included
    in M365), and Outlook-New - W10/11 included email client) all support OAuth2.

    GMail can be setup as POP3 in Outlook(M365)- app password is necessary


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  • From ...w¡ñ?±?ñ@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 10:02:34 2026
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 1/14/2026 7:55 AM:
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    I usually use Betterbird as my default email client; with Opera on my
    mobile and Edge on my desktop as default browsers.
    I have used Outlook in the past and thought I would have alook at the
    latest version. On my mobile I loaded my domain account with no problem, >>> but when I tried to install my Gmail account it said that I could ONLY
    use Chrome as my browser. When I tried to install my Gmail account on my >>> desktop, it refused connection,so I assume that is the same reason.
    I assume Google don't want me to use Outlook, but in doing so they have
    finally put me off Chrome, which I never liked in th firstplace.

    It used to be possible to connect to a Gmail account using Outlook, but
    it required a separate profile. Thus rendering the use of Outlook
    pointless. Clearly a conscious design decision by Google.

    So make your choice: browser-based email, or client-based. You can't
    have both.

    It's not quite clear what Jim the Geordie is doing *exactly*, but I
    don't agree with your (Graham) last statement, at least not for Windows:

    On my Windows (11) laptop, I can use my Gmail accounts in Thunderbird (i.e. client-based email) *and* in Edge (i.e. non-Chrome browser-based
    email) *and* in Chrome.

    So if Jim has a problem, it's probably an Outlook problem.

    Fun part: For me Gmail works in Outlook, while I actually do not want
    to use Outlook. (Outlook says "Sync your Gmail account", but I click 'Cancel', because I don't want my "emails, calendar, events and contacts
    ... synced to the Microsoft Cloud". But despite my Cancel, Outlook keeps notifying me of new mail in my Gmail account. Go figure! :-))


    Checking for email(send/receive) is not the same as full sync(mail,
    calendar, events, contacts, etc).


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  • From VanguardLH@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 11:58:43 2026
    winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

    GMail can be setup as POP3 in Outlook(M365)- app password is necessary

    I keep forgetting about Gmail's app password option.

    https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833

    Before generating app passwords, they say you need to have 2-step
    verification enabled, like you login on your desktop PC, and need to
    have your smartphone nearby to get a text with the code.

    https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185839

    Some users have noted that 2SV is only needed when generating app
    passwords, and it can be turned off afterward. Enable 2SV, generate an
    app password for each app connecting to Gmail, and again for each app on
    each device. App passwords are unique to each app on a device, and
    across devices. One app password per app wherever it is. Then see if
    2SV can be disabled.

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  • From VanguardLH@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 12:34:55 2026
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    For me Gmail works in Outlook, while I actually do not want to use
    Outlook. (Outlook says "Sync your Gmail account", but I click
    'Cancel', because I don't want my "emails, calendar, events and
    contacts ... synced to the Microsoft Cloud". But despite my Cancel,
    Outlook keeps notifying me of new mail in my Gmail account. Go
    figure! :-))

    Isn't "Sync your Gmail account" a popup? If so, it is probably a
    one-time choice for the current mail poll. On the next mail poll,
    you'll get the prompt again.

    I'm confused.
    Why add a Gmail to Outlook if you don't want to use Outlook for Gmail?
    Why install Outlook at all if you don't want to use it?

    Maybe you want Gmail defined in Outlook, but only want to perform
    manually initiated mail polls on Gmail while still having automated mail
    polls on other accounts defined in Outlook. That is, you want to have
    Outlook check Gmail, but only when you tell it to. You can define
    multiple Send/Receive Groups with each having different polling
    settings. In the ribbon toolbar:

    - Click on Send/Receive to focus on that tab group.
    - Click on "Send/Receive Groups".
    - In the drop-down list menu, click on "Define Send/Receive Groups".
    - A dialog window appears to let you define Send/Receive groups.
    - Select a group (you may have only one, the default), and click Edit.
    - In a left panel, you see a list of e-mail accounts.
    - Select (click on) the Gmail account.
    - Deselect the checkbox "Include the selected account in this group".
    - With Gmail removed from a Send/Receive group, Gmail will not get
    polled using the polling settings for that Send/Receive group.

    You could create another Send/Receive group just for Gmail.

    - Click New to create a new Send/Receive group. Name the group, like
    "Gmail only".
    - Exclude all accounts except Gmail.
    o Select each account, and disable "Include the selected account".
    o Select the Gmail account. Enable "Include the selected account".
    - Back in the Send/Receive groups settings, select the "Gmail only"
    Send/Receive group.
    - Set the polling options how you want. For example:
    o Disable all of the following:
    Schedule ...
    Perform an automatic ...
    o Enable only the following:
    Include this group in send/receive (F9).

    Now you've left the Gmail account in Outlook, but it will not get
    automatically polled using the settings for the All Accounts
    Send/Receive group. It only gets polled when you hit the F9 key, or you
    use the Send/Receive ribbon tab, click on Send/Receive Groups, and
    select the Gmail Inbox folder.

    The Send/Receive groups to vary polling options for different e-mail
    accounts is one of those advanced features you have to dig into to
    discover. It's buried, and not overtly obvious when you see the
    Send/Receive Groups settings dialog.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/why-use-send-receive-groups-86444f5e-b2e8-4379-810a-aa3de3186cf3

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  • From Philip Herlihy@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 15 12:54:10 2026
    In article <10k89ai$1f31$1@toylet.eternal-september.org>, toylet.toylet@gmail.com says...

    Outlook has only
    one big OUTLOOK.PST, not like Thunderbird's Mail directory.



    I use Outlook classic, and it's configured to use multiple PST and OST
    (IMAP) files.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 15 13:45:19 2026
    Disclaimer: Totally irrelevant/useless post. Proceed at your own risk.

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    For me Gmail works in Outlook, while I actually do not want to use
    Outlook. (Outlook says "Sync your Gmail account", but I click
    'Cancel', because I don't want my "emails, calendar, events and
    contacts ... synced to the Microsoft Cloud". But despite my Cancel,
    Outlook keeps notifying me of new mail in my Gmail account. Go
    figure! :-))

    Isn't "Sync your Gmail account" a popup? If so, it is probably a
    one-time choice for the current mail poll. On the next mail poll,
    you'll get the prompt again.

    Yes, the notifications are a popup (in the lower-right corner) of new messages which have arrived in one of my Gmail accounts. And its indeed
    polling at whatever interval.

    I'm confused.
    Why add a Gmail to Outlook if you don't want to use Outlook for Gmail?
    Why install Outlook at all if you don't want to use it?

    Don't be confused, that *my* job! :-) I don't remember why I tried to
    use Outlook for one of my Gmail accounts. It probably was just a test,
    trying to determine of it's of any use (to me), etc..

    At the moment, it's doing what I described and I can't even get rid of
    it (which doesn't really bother me).

    If I click on the 'Mail' app, I get my Gmail Inbox, but it's obscured
    by a popup "Windows Mail and Calendar are no longer supported". There
    are only two choices to get rid of the popup, 1) 'Export Data' which I
    do not want/need and 2) 'Open Outlook'. So I select 'Open Outlook',
    which gives me the 'Sync your Gmail account' popup, which, as described,
    I do not want, so 'Cancel' is the only option. That brings me to
    'Welcome to the new Outlook', which gives the name of my Gmail account
    and says 'You didn't sign in. Please try to add your email account
    again.' with a 'Go back to classic Outlook' link which does absolutely
    nothing. So what's left is 'Continue' which brings the unwanted 'Sync
    your Gmail account' or 'Advanced Setup' which also gives the unwanted
    'Sync your Gmail account'. Catch-22. So all that's left is to close
    ('X') Outlook and no way to change/delete the Gmail account.

    I *warned* you that this was a totally irrelevant/useless post, didn't
    I!? :-)

    [...]

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  • From Graham J@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 15 15:22:16 2026
    Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Disclaimer: Totally irrelevant/useless post. Proceed at your own risk.

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    For me Gmail works in Outlook, while I actually do not want to use
    Outlook. (Outlook says "Sync your Gmail account", but I click
    'Cancel', because I don't want my "emails, calendar, events and
    contacts ... synced to the Microsoft Cloud". But despite my Cancel,
    Outlook keeps notifying me of new mail in my Gmail account. Go
    figure! :-))

    Isn't "Sync your Gmail account" a popup? If so, it is probably a
    one-time choice for the current mail poll. On the next mail poll,
    you'll get the prompt again.

    Yes, the notifications are a popup (in the lower-right corner) of new messages which have arrived in one of my Gmail accounts. And its indeed polling at whatever interval.

    I'm confused.
    Why add a Gmail to Outlook if you don't want to use Outlook for Gmail?
    Why install Outlook at all if you don't want to use it?

    Don't be confused, that *my* job! :-) I don't remember why I tried to
    use Outlook for one of my Gmail accounts. It probably was just a test,
    trying to determine of it's of any use (to me), etc..

    [snip]

    Open your Control Panel,

    Open the component Mail (32-bit).

    This will allow you to edit and/or remove your gmail account from
    Outlook, without needing to open Outlook.



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    Graham J

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  • From Frank Slootweg@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 15 19:40:05 2026
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Disclaimer: Totally irrelevant/useless post. Proceed at your own risk.

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    For me Gmail works in Outlook, while I actually do not want to use
    Outlook. (Outlook says "Sync your Gmail account", but I click
    'Cancel', because I don't want my "emails, calendar, events and
    contacts ... synced to the Microsoft Cloud". But despite my Cancel,
    Outlook keeps notifying me of new mail in my Gmail account. Go
    figure! :-))

    Isn't "Sync your Gmail account" a popup? If so, it is probably a
    one-time choice for the current mail poll. On the next mail poll,
    you'll get the prompt again.

    Yes, the notifications are a popup (in the lower-right corner) of new messages which have arrived in one of my Gmail accounts. And its indeed polling at whatever interval.

    I'm confused.
    Why add a Gmail to Outlook if you don't want to use Outlook for Gmail?
    Why install Outlook at all if you don't want to use it?

    Don't be confused, that *my* job! :-) I don't remember why I tried to use Outlook for one of my Gmail accounts. It probably was just a test, trying to determine of it's of any use (to me), etc..

    [snip]

    In case it's relevant, I'm using Windows 11 (not 10 as implied by the newsgroup).

    Open your Control Panel,

    Open the component Mail (32-bit).

    This will allow you to edit and/or remove your gmail account from
    Outlook, without needing to open Outlook.

    In Control Panel -> All Control Panel Items, I have "Mail (Microsoft Outlook)" (not "32-bit"). When I open that, I get a small popup named
    'Mail' which has only one tab named 'General', which says 'The following profiles are set up on this computer:' with an empty box below it, i.e.
    there is no profile to change/delete.

    I think this is about the old style Outlook *program*, instead of the
    'new Outlook' *app*, I'm talking about.

    As others have mentioned, there a lot of products named 'Outlook' and
    - especially for a non-user - it's hard to tell which is which.

    But don't worry about my 'problem'. It isn't a problem and it's not in
    my way, it's just weird, that's all.

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  • From Char Jackson@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 15 17:07:22 2026
    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 13:09:45 +0000, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
    wrote:

    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    I usually use Betterbird as my default email client; with Opera on my
    mobile and Edge on my desktop as default browsers.
    I have used Outlook in the past and thought I would have alook at the
    latest version. On my mobile I loaded my domain account with no problem,
    but when I tried to install my Gmail account it said that I could ONLY
    use Chrome as my browser. When I tried to install my Gmail account on my
    desktop, it refused connection,so I assume that is the same reason.
    I assume Google don't want me to use Outlook, but in doing so they have
    finally put me off Chrome, which I never liked in th firstplace.


    It used to be possible to connect to a Gmail account using Outlook, but
    it required a separate profile.

    I don't remember that ever being the case. I've never had to create a
    second profile.

    Thus rendering the use of Outlook
    pointless. Clearly a conscious design decision by Google.

    So make your choice: browser-based email, or client-based. You can't
    have both.

    I have both, using MSO 2019 and MSO 2021, and my wife has both, on MSO
    2021. We use the respective version of the desktop Outlook client, but
    using any web browser works fine, as well.


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  • From Char Jackson@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 15 17:11:27 2026
    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:28:47 -0000, Jim the Geordie
    <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:

    I usually use Betterbird as my default email client; with Opera on my
    mobile and Edge on my desktop as default browsers.
    I have used Outlook in the past and thought I would have alook at the
    latest version. On my mobile I loaded my domain account with no problem,
    but when I tried to install my Gmail account it said that I could ONLY
    use Chrome as my browser. When I tried to install my Gmail account on my >desktop, it refused connection,so I assume that is the same reason.
    I assume Google don't want me to use Outlook, but in doing so they have >finally put me off Chrome, which I never liked in th firstplace.

    I think there's a healthy dose of user error here, which is my way of
    saying that you *can* get this to work. It works fine for many of us.


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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Sun Jan 18 20:55:34 2026
    On 15/1/2026 8:54 pm, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    In article <10k89ai$1f31$1@toylet.eternal-september.org>, toylet.toylet@gmail.com says...

    Outlook has only
    one big OUTLOOK.PST, not like Thunderbird's Mail directory.

    I use Outlook classic, and it's configured to use multiple PST and OST
    (IMAP) files.

    I didn't know that. Can you still do that with the latest Outlook in
    latest Micro$oft Office?

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