because
Better interphace
.. More refine
.. work Better
.. Less Bug vs win 11
.. Better interaction
.. Win 11 Update Biggy



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Gallaxial wrote on 2/3/2026 8:03 PM:

because
Better interphace
.. More refine
.. work Better
.. Less Bug vs win 11
.. Better interaction
.. Win 11 Update Biggy

Good for you!



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On 2/4/2026 10:03 AM, Gallaxial wrote:

I stay on Windows 10
because
....

Same here, but I still wanna jump into Win 11. Let's see whether 2026
would be a "contructive and prosperous" year for Win 11.

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You can Make a IMAGE of Your Windows 10
Install Windows 11 , if you decide to Switch back to 10 , it Easy 30
minutes or Less to return



On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 12:27:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2/4/2026 10:03 AM, Gallaxial wrote:

I stay on Windows 10
because
....

Same here, but I still wanna jump into Win 11. Let's see whether 2026
would be a "contructive and prosperous" year for Win 11.

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On 2/4/2026 6:51 PM, Gallaxial wrote:

You can Make a IMAGE of Your Windows 10
Install Windows 11 , if you decide to Switch back to 10 , it Easy 30
minutes or Less to return

I did test Win 11. But then I rolled back to Win 10. :)

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On Tue, 2/3/2026 11:27 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 2/4/2026 10:03 AM, Gallaxial wrote:

I stay on Windows 10
because
....

Same here, but I still wanna jump into Win 11. Let's see whether 2026 would be a "contructive and prosperous" year for Win 11.

You have nothing but time on your hands, and
testing these things is pretty simple.

+------+-------------+---------------+------------------+-------------------- - - - -+
| MBR | ESP (FAT32) | C: Windows 10 | System Reserved | Install Win11 here | GPT partitioned disk
+------+-------------+---------------+------------------+-------------------- - - - -+

Boot the Win11 DVD, select Custom and add a partition for the install, down near the end. That will make your computer a multi-boot. My daily driver
is a multi-boot setup.

Some computers come with extremely low-capacity primary storage,
and then you can't do that.

Paul

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On 2/3/2026 7:03 PM, Gallaxial wrote:

because
Better interphace
.. More refine
.. work Better
.. Less Bug vs win 11
.. Better interaction
.. Win 11 Update Biggy

Everyone has their reasons.

....but the above sounds exactly like the same justification/rationale
many claimed/opined for staying on Windows 7 instead of Windows 10 for
at least 5 year after Windows 10 was released(RTM 2015).

i.e. same old/same old, history repeating, deja vu....

Imo...
- if the device is capable of Win11 without hacking install system requirements => install Win11
- if the device is not capable of Win11 system requirement and running
Win10 => continue use of ten yr old Win10 with ESU until ESU no longer available(as a free or fee based option)

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Maria Sophia wrote:

...w??? wrote:

Imo...
ÿ - if the device is capable of Win11 without hacking install system
requirements => install Win11
ÿ - if the device is not capable of Win11 system requirement and
running Win10 => continue use of ten yr old Win10 with ESU until ESU
no longer available(as a free or fee based option)

At this point, with all of us having predated the existence of Windows, I'd agree wholeheartedly with Winston, where, if I could, I'd downgrade to
Win11 but Microsoft won't let me, so Windows 10 will be my DD for a while.

For me, I'd have to buy a whole new PC to even begin to think about Win11.

If anyone can find anything of any real use to me on Windows 11 that isn't
on Windows 10, I'd be all ears though, as that would sweeten the poison.

Ironic... I can think of plenty of things that *aren't* in W11 that
*are* in W10. AFAICT, W11 is just more regressions in functionality
along with more advertising and a difficult (for some)-to-avoid MS
account requirement.

My laptop is eligible for W11, but I keep it as far away from the
internet as possible. It keeps telling me that Windows Security's
signature files aren't up to date, but oh well...

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John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

Ironic... I can think of plenty of things that *aren't* in W11 that
*are* in W10.

Such as?

AFAICT, W11 is just more regressions in functionality
along with more advertising and a difficult (for some)-to-avoid MS
account requirement.

I get zero advertising. Having only a local account (as I have) is
some work, but not at all "difficult" for users in these groups. If you
want it very simple, just use Windows Pro, which can be had for some
$20, if that. (My wife's Mini-PC came with Pro.)

My laptop is eligible for W11, but I keep it as far away from the
internet as possible. It keeps telling me that Windows Security's
signature files aren't up to date, but oh well...

There are ways to keep it on Windows 10, without the 'threat' of 11,
so you would get Definition Updates and (ESU) Security Updates. Paul can probably point you to the right 'shutup' tool.

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On 2/5/2026 4:39 AM, John C. wrote:

My laptop is eligible for W11, but I keep it as far away from the
internet as possible. It keeps telling me that Windows Security's
signature files aren't up to date, but oh well...

Enroll in ESU via the o/s prompt option
or
Use this powershell script which also works with a local account
<https://github.com/abbodi1406/ConsumerESU>


By default, the script will run in the following order, if a step
failed, the next is executed:

Enroll using Microsoft account currently logged-in as Windows user.
Enroll using Microsoft account currently logged-in with Microsoft Store.
Enroll using current Local account.
</qp>

i.e. a MSFT account is not necessary to enroll in ESU


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On Thu, 2/5/2026 7:54 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

Ironic... I can think of plenty of things that *aren't* in W11 that
*are* in W10.

Such as?

AFAICT, W11 is just more regressions in functionality
along with more advertising and a difficult (for some)-to-avoid MS
account requirement.

I get zero advertising. Having only a local account (as I have) is
some work, but not at all "difficult" for users in these groups. If you
want it very simple, just use Windows Pro, which can be had for some
$20, if that. (My wife's Mini-PC came with Pro.)

My laptop is eligible for W11, but I keep it as far away from the
internet as possible. It keeps telling me that Windows Security's
signature files aren't up to date, but oh well...

There are ways to keep it on Windows 10, without the 'threat' of 11,
so you would get Definition Updates and (ESU) Security Updates. Paul can probably point you to the right 'shutup' tool.

You can download a Defender Update, put it on a USB stick, and
load it into your air-gapped W10 machine.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/defenderupdates

That would at least keep the signatures up to date.

Note that the files are also available for older OSes.

You can use grc.com "incontrol.exe" to lock the W10 machine to 22H2
so W11 cannot try to come in. It's just three or four registry entries.
Before I got that program, I'd done it on one machine by hand, with
some regedits. But GRC knew of one extra regedit.

There used to be a whole section of "controls" like that, and
Microsoft didn't remove them when they were obsolete. That's why it is
easy to miss the right ones, for a particular "controlled by your organization" task.

Paul


Paul

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On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 21:42:41 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

Good for you!

+1

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On 2/5/2026 8:10 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

...w??? wrote:

By default, the script will run in the following order, if a step
failed, the next is executed:

Enroll using Microsoft account currently logged-in as Windows user.
Enroll using Microsoft account currently logged-in with Microsoft Store.
Enroll using current Local account.
</qp>

i.e. a MSFT account is not necessary to enroll in ESU

Hi Winston,
Can you confirm a MSFT account is not needed to enroll in the free Windows
10 ESU becuase I tried in November (as I recall) but MS closed the loophole in middle'ish October last year (even as I had changed the registry keys).

Is the loophole still there that you can enroll in Win10 ESU w/o a MSA?

Already did.
Read how the Powershell script works in the previous Github link's information.


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On Thu, 05 Feb 2026 16:32:06 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 21:42:41 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

Good for you!

+1

+2




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Gallaxial <gallaxial@gallaxial.com> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2026 16:32:06 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 21:42:41 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

Good for you!

+1

+2

+3

;)
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Ant wrote on 2/13/2026 5:02 PM:

Gallaxial <gallaxial@gallaxial.com> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2026 16:32:06 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 21:42:41 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

Good for you!

+1

+2

+3

;)

I think Jesus has been replaced with donald trump and his personal ant farm.



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