I can't get a text file to print completely.
What editor would force everything to print? win11 Pro, fully updated,
but I'm pretty sure the problem will be the same in win10. (I'll send
the file to my win10 computer and try it.)
So far I've used Notepad++ and Libreoffice. Notepad++ stopped after 2
pages of 15. Libreoffice did better, but using double sided printing,
it prints the first 2 pages on both sides, but leaves the back of each
later page blank, And it seems it skips text at that point, it's not
that it just wastes one side of the paper. (Prints a total of 6.5 pages)
I just tried an elevated cmd window with the command
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
and I get "Unable to initialize device PRN" which google says relates
to Python. I don't have Python. Do I want it?? Just 4 years ago,
within win10, I could print a file this way from the cmd box to a
printer without any of the printer software installed on my computer. No mention of initializing or Python. Maybe Powershell will work better?
Nope, same error message.
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
the port name, and the IP address and got the same error message every
time.
Background:
A friend lent me his Android phone and I wanted to copy about 12 of his whatsapp chats to my PC. (I think last Jan or February I posted about
the troubles getting it to the PC. One or two went with one method and
the others required the second method.)
Now I want to print them. They were each in separate zip filse which
expanded to a .txt file. Eleven of them, I opened each in Notepad++ and printed with no problem.
The 12th and by far the longest and most important one would only
print 2 pages out of 15. Tried 3 times**.
So instead I edited the same file with LibreOfffice and more of it printed, almost 7 pages but still not 15.
It's 2-sided printing and the first 2 pages are on the same sheet of paper, but after that only one side gets printed on, and there are text
gaps between the end of one page and the start of the next page, as if everything that is missing should be on the blank back of the sheet.
Yet I've looked at the file on the screen in both Notepad++ and Librefoffice and unlike the emogies that stymied Notepad++, I don't see anything suspicious.
**Extra quandary. (Very curious but even a good answer here is not as important as above, getting the file to print completely) Got no warning message on the PC like my printer usually gives, or on the printer,
except once I found a new segment of the taskbar that said that I needed
to update Outlook in order to make progress.
I googled the message and sure enough that's a valid message. I
googled "Does Notepad++ use Outlook", and found out that it can if I set
it up, but I'd never set it up. In fact, I don't have Outlook or Word
or anything from that group! So where did that message come from? Was
this phishing?
After trying Notepad++ I looked at the file, 99.9% text, but there were
a couple smiley emoticons or emojees (I don't know the difference), one heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
stopped after 1 page (of 15) 3 times. It displayed just fine.
After trying Notepad++ I looked at the file, 99.9% text, but there were
a couple smiley emoticons or emojees (I don't know the difference), one heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
stopped after 1 page (of 15) 3 times. It displayed just fine.
So far I've used Notepad++ and Libreoffice. Notepad++
I can't get a text file to print completely.
.....
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
....
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
I can't get a text file to print completely.
What editor would force everything to print? win11 Pro, fully updated,
but I'm pretty sure the problem will be the same in win10. (I'll send
the file to my win10 computer and try it.)
So far I've used Notepad++ and Libreoffice. Notepad++ stopped after 2
pages of 15. Libreoffice did better, but using double sided printing,
it prints the first 2 pages on both sides, but leaves the back of each
later page blank, And it seems it skips text at that point, it's not
that it just wastes one side of the paper. (Prints a total of 6.5 pages)
I just tried an elevated cmd window with the command
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
and I get "Unable to initialize device PRN" which google says relates
to Python. I don't have Python. Do I want it?? Just 4 years ago,
within win10, I could print a file this way from the cmd box to a
printer without any of the printer software installed on my computer. No mention of initializing or Python. Maybe Powershell will work better?
Nope, same error message.
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
the port name, and the IP address and got the same error message every
time.
Background:
A friend lent me his Android phone and I wanted to copy about 12 of his whatsapp chats to my PC. (I think last Jan or February I posted about
the troubles getting it to the PC. One or two went with one method and
the others required the second method.)
Now I want to print them. They were each in separate zip filse which
expanded to a .txt file. Eleven of them, I opened each in Notepad++ and printed with no problem.
The 12th and by far the longest and most important one would only
print 2 pages out of 15. Tried 3 times**.
So instead I edited the same file with LibreOfffice and more of it
printed, almost 7 pages but still not 15.
It's 2-sided printing and the first 2 pages are on the same sheet of
paper, but after that only one side gets printed on, and there are text
gaps between the end of one page and the start of the next page, as if everything that is missing should be on the blank back of the sheet.
Yet I've looked at the file on the screen in both Notepad++ and Librefoffice and unlike the emogies that stymied Notepad++, I don't see anything suspicious.
**Extra quandary. (Very curious but even a good answer here is not as important as above, getting the file to print completely) Got no warning message on the PC like my printer usually gives, or on the printer,
except once I found a new segment of the taskbar that said that I needed
to update Outlook in order to make progress.
I googled the message and sure enough that's a valid message. I
googled "Does Notepad++ use Outlook", and found out that it can if I set
it up, but I'd never set it up. In fact, I don't have Outlook or Word
or anything from that group! So where did that message come from? Was
this phishing?
After trying Notepad++ I looked at the file, 99.9% text, but there were
a couple smiley emoticons or emojees (I don't know the difference), one heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
stopped after 1 page (of 15) 3 times. It displayed just fine.
I can't get a text file to print completely.
What editor would force everything to print? win11 Pro, fully updated,
but I'm pretty sure the problem will be the same in win10. (I'll send
the file to my win10 computer and try it.)
So far I've used Notepad++ and Libreoffice. Notepad++ stopped after 2
pages of 15. Libreoffice did better, but using double sided printing,
it prints the first 2 pages on both sides, but leaves the back of each
later page blank, And it seems it skips text at that point, it's not
that it just wastes one side of the paper. (Prints a total of 6.5 pages)
I just tried an elevated cmd window with the command
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
and I get "Unable to initialize device PRN" which google says relates
to Python. I don't have Python. Do I want it?? Just 4 years ago,
within win10, I could print a file this way from the cmd box to a
printer without any of the printer software installed on my computer. No
mention of initializing or Python. Maybe Powershell will work better?
Nope, same error message.
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
the port name, and the IP address and got the same error message every
time.
The 12th and by far the longest and most important one would only
print 2 pages out of 15. Tried 3 times**.
So instead I edited the same file with LibreOfffice and more of it
printed, almost 7 pages but still not 15.
It's 2-sided printing and the first 2 pages are on the same sheet of
paper, but after that only one side gets printed on, and there are text
gaps between the end of one page and the start of the next page, as if everything that is missing should be on the blank back of the sheet.
Yet I've looked at the file on the screen in both Notepad++ and Librefoffice and unlike the emogies that stymied Notepad++, I don't see anything suspicious.
**Extra quandary. (Very curious but even a good answer here is not as important as above, getting the file to print completely) Got no warning message on the PC like my printer usually gives, or on the printer,
except once I found a new segment of the taskbar that said that I needed
to update Outlook in order to make progress.
I googled the message and sure enough that's a valid message. I
googled "Does Notepad++ use Outlook", and found out that it can if I set
it up, but I'd never set it up. In fact, I don't have Outlook or Word
or anything from that group! So where did that message come from? Was
this phishing?
After trying Notepad++ I looked at the file, 99.9% text, but there were
a couple smiley emoticons or emojees (I don't know the difference), one
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
stopped after 1 page (of 15) 3 times. It displayed just fine.
On 2026/7/18 18:36:48, micky wrote:[]
I can't get a text file to print completely.
It _sounds_ like there is/are some special byte(s) in the file that are[]
not plain text. Do you have a hex viewer (ideally editor)? I have
FSHexEdit, but there are plenty such. If you do, and you can find
something odd, replace it with byte(s) of hex 20 (decimal 32) - which is
a space. (Work on a copy of the file.)
I can't get a text file to print completely.
What editor would force everything to print? win11 Pro, fully updated,
but I'm pretty sure the problem will be the same in win10. (I'll send
the file to my win10 computer and try it.)
So far I've used Notepad++ and Libreoffice. Notepad++ stopped after 2
pages of 15. Libreoffice did better, but using double sided printing,
it prints the first 2 pages on both sides, but leaves the back of each
later page blank, And it seems it skips text at that point, it's not
that it just wastes one side of the paper. (Prints a total of 6.5 pages)
I just tried an elevated cmd window with the command
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
and I get "Unable to initialize device PRN" which google says relates
to Python. I don't have Python. Do I want it?? Just 4 years ago,
within win10, I could print a file this way from the cmd box to a
printer without any of the printer software installed on my computer. No mention of initializing or Python. Maybe Powershell will work better?
Nope, same error message.
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
the port name, and the IP address and got the same error message every
time.
Background:
A friend lent me his Android phone and I wanted to copy about 12 of his whatsapp chats to my PC. (I think last Jan or February I posted about
the troubles getting it to the PC. One or two went with one method and
the others required the second method.)
Now I want to print them. They were each in separate zip filse which
expanded to a .txt file. Eleven of them, I opened each in Notepad++ and printed with no problem.
The 12th and by far the longest and most important one would only
print 2 pages out of 15. Tried 3 times**.
So instead I edited the same file with LibreOfffice and more of it printed, almost 7 pages but still not 15.
It's 2-sided printing and the first 2 pages are on the same sheet of paper, but after that only one side gets printed on, and there are text
gaps between the end of one page and the start of the next page, as if everything that is missing should be on the blank back of the sheet.
Yet I've looked at the file on the screen in both Notepad++ and Librefoffice and unlike the emogies that stymied Notepad++, I don't see anything suspicious.
**Extra quandary. (Very curious but even a good answer here is not as important as above, getting the file to print completely) Got no warning message on the PC like my printer usually gives, or on the printer,
except once I found a new segment of the taskbar that said that I needed
to update Outlook in order to make progress.
I googled the message and sure enough that's a valid message. I
googled "Does Notepad++ use Outlook", and found out that it can if I set
it up, but I'd never set it up. In fact, I don't have Outlook or Word
or anything from that group! So where did that message come from? Was
this phishing?
After trying Notepad++ I looked at the file, 99.9% text, but there were
a couple smiley emoticons or emojees (I don't know the difference), one heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
stopped after 1 page (of 15) 3 times. It displayed just fine.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
After trying Notepad++ I looked at the file, 99.9% text, but there were
a couple smiley emoticons or emojees (I don't know the difference), one
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
stopped after 1 page (of 15) 3 times. It displayed just fine.
Similar to Roger's advice:
As it *displays* fine in Notepad++, print it in Notepad+++, but use
"Microsoft Print to PDF" as the 'printer'.
Now look at the PDF, if that still looks fine, just print the PDF from
whatever PDF-viewer you use (I just use (Microsoft) Edge).
So any emojis, smileys or other 'silly' graphics stuff will be taken
care of the PDF-renderer.
HTH.
[]
If you _haven't_ got a hex editor, then in whatever you _are_ viewing it
in, go to the trouble point, and delete from just after the beginning of
the first line of text after it, back to just before the end of the last
line before it, retype the charaters you've deleted (plus a few
newlines), and try again. That _should_ delete anything unusual.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 18 Jul 2026 18:21:42 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:[]
As it *displays* fine in Notepad++, print it in Notepad+++, but use
"Microsoft Print to PDF" as the 'printer'.
Oh, this is so easy.
Now look at the PDF, if that still looks fine, just print the PDF from
whatever PDF-viewer you use (I just use (Microsoft) Edge).
This was easy too. I used Firefox, and it only printed 2 of what it
said would be 12 pages. So I switched to Edge, and it only printed 1. Although when I got them off the printer, both had only printed the same amount, one side of one page.
Any other ideas? Below I talk about doing it almost a paragraph at a[]
time if I have to.
Oh, I'm looking this up again now, but if you know off the top of your
head: How do I write straight to the printer, using a cmd box or
PowerShell bos. This didzn't work:
The first smiley is more than a page after it stops printing. And the
copy printed from Libreoffice, did print most or all of the graphics.
And I've looked at the text just before it stops printing and for 30
lines afterwards, and I've looked before and after the places it starts printing again, and I don't see anything different.
On 2026/7/19 0:55:5, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 18 Jul 2026 18:21:42 GMT, Frank Slootweg[]
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
As it *displays* fine in Notepad++, print it in Notepad+++, but use
"Microsoft Print to PDF" as the 'printer'.
Oh, this is so easy.
So you have a PDF that appears to show the same text?
Now look at the PDF, if that still looks fine, just print the PDF from
whatever PDF-viewer you use (I just use (Microsoft) Edge).
This was easy too. I used Firefox, and it only printed 2 of what it
said would be 12 pages. So I switched to Edge, and it only printed 1.
Although when I got them off the printer, both had only printed the same
amount, one side of one page.
Now try - in Firefox or Edge, or perhaps a standalone PDF viewer like
Acrobat or whatever else you have - printing it *from page 3 onwards*.
(3 to 12 if you have to say.) Edge and most PDF viewers have the
facility to select which pages to print.
[]
Any other ideas? Below I talk about doing it almost a paragraph at a
time if I have to.
Oh, I'm looking this up again now, but if you know off the top of your
head: How do I write straight to the printer, using a cmd box or
PowerShell bos. This didzn't work:
The first smiley is more than a page after it stops printing. And the
copy printed from Libreoffice, did print most or all of the graphics.
If there are graphics in it, IT ISN'T A TEXT FILE. but if the stop point
is before where you think the graphics were, then there's probably
something invisible in it. Look with a hex editor, and null it out with >spaces (hex character 20). It should contain no byte above 7E, nor below
20 other than 0D and 0A (and possibly 09).
And I've looked at the text just before it stops printing and for 30
lines afterwards, and I've looked before and after the places it starts
printing again, and I don't see anything different.
You've looked with things that look at text. Look with a Hex
viewer/editor. https://www.searchandreplace.com/fshexedit.htm is one such.
[]
Failing that, print - from Acrobat or other PDF viewer, or Edge or
Firefox - one page at a time. Don't mess with double-sided - if
absolutely necessary to have double-sided, print the odd pages, one at a >time, then you can feed the paper back into the printer to get even
pages printed on the other sides.
This was easy too. I used Firefox, and it only printed 2 of what it
said would be 12 pages. So I switched to Edge, and it only printed 1. Although when I got them off the printer, both had only printed the same amount, one side of one page.
Any other ideas? Below I talk about doing it almost a paragraph at a
time if I have to.
Oh, I'm looking this up again now, but if you know off the top of your
head: How do I write straight to the printer, using a cmd box or
PowerShell bos. This didzn't work:
print "C:\Data\Scam\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) 446-nnnn.txt" lpt1
and it didn't work when I changed lpt1 to the printer name, the port
name or the IP address.
On 07/18/2026 1:36 PM, micky wrote:
I can't get a text file to print completely.You say you tried libreOffice. When it was opened in LibreOffice Could
What editor would force everything to print? win11 Pro, fully updated,
but I'm pretty sure the problem will be the same in win10. (I'll send
the file to my win10 computer and try it.)
So far I've used Notepad++ and Libreoffice. Notepad++ stopped after 2
pages of 15. Libreoffice did better, but using double sided printing,
it prints the first 2 pages on both sides, but leaves the back of each
later page blank, And it seems it skips text at that point, it's not
that it just wastes one side of the paper. (Prints a total of 6.5 pages)
I just tried an elevated cmd window with the command
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
and I get "Unable to initialize device PRN" which google says relates
to Python. I don't have Python. Do I want it?? Just 4 years ago,
within win10, I could print a file this way from the cmd box to a
printer without any of the printer software installed on my computer. No
mention of initializing or Python. Maybe Powershell will work better?
Nope, same error message.
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
the port name, and the IP address and got the same error message every
time.
Background:
A friend lent me his Android phone and I wanted to copy about 12 of his
whatsapp chats to my PC. (I think last Jan or February I posted about
the troubles getting it to the PC. One or two went with one method and
the others required the second method.)
Now I want to print them. They were each in separate zip filse which
expanded to a .txt file. Eleven of them, I opened each in Notepad++ and
printed with no problem.
The 12th and by far the longest and most important one would only
print 2 pages out of 15. Tried 3 times**.
So instead I edited the same file with LibreOfffice and more of it
printed, almost 7 pages but still not 15.
It's 2-sided printing and the first 2 pages are on the same sheet of
paper, but after that only one side gets printed on, and there are text
gaps between the end of one page and the start of the next page, as if
everything that is missing should be on the blank back of the sheet.
Yet I've looked at the file on the screen in both Notepad++ and
Librefoffice and unlike the emogies that stymied Notepad++, I don't see
anything suspicious.
**Extra quandary. (Very curious but even a good answer here is not as
important as above, getting the file to print completely) Got no warning
message on the PC like my printer usually gives, or on the printer,
except once I found a new segment of the taskbar that said that I needed
to update Outlook in order to make progress.
I googled the message and sure enough that's a valid message. I
googled "Does Notepad++ use Outlook", and found out that it can if I set
it up, but I'd never set it up. In fact, I don't have Outlook or Word
or anything from that group! So where did that message come from? Was
this phishing?
After trying Notepad++ I looked at the file, 99.9% text, but there were
a couple smiley emoticons or emojees (I don't know the difference), one
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
stopped after 1 page (of 15) 3 times. It displayed just fine.
you see see all of the text in the file? Are the all character readable?
What is the extension of the file you friend gave you?
Can you import it into your phone and see all of the text.
In the worst case and if you can get the whole thing readable in
notepad. If you can scroll through the file, looking for repeating odd >characters. If so these are probably the end of conversation marker.
Go through and copy the text BETWEEN the repeated characters copy them
to a second copy of notepad or LibreOffice and print that text. repeat >until you have printed the whole file.
On 18/07/2026 18:36, micky wrote:
So far I've used Notepad++ and Libreoffice. Notepad++
Have you tried using Microsoft Notepad? Why not? Is it because you think >it's spying on you?
If you're using Windows 11 and you still have WordPad installed, it's >another Microsoft product worth trying.
Windows 10 has both Notepad and WordPad, so try using those instead.
Both Windows 10 and 11 allow you to save/print files as PDFs, so try
doing this to avoid wasting paper and toner unnecessarily.
To print to a LPT1 printer you need this simple command:
copy /B yourfile.txt LPT1
Narrow No-Break Space (Unicode
character U+202F)
On Sat, 7/18/2026 9:46 PM, micky wrote:
Narrow No-Break Space (Unicode
character U+202F)
Freaky stuff. Should be fun doing a "Replace"
in a text editor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-breaking_space
Maybe eventually the max width of a line was exceeded ?
Paul
I can't get a text file to print completely.
I will try to find the problem and get back to you all, but I've looked already and I know I'll lose interest soon.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:50:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
Now try - in Firefox or Edge, or perhaps a standalone PDF viewer like
Acrobat or whatever else you have - printing it *from page 3 onwards*.
Good idea.
If there are graphics in it, IT ISN'T A TEXT FILE. but if the stop point
is before where you think the graphics were, then there's probably
something invisible in it. Look with a hex editor, and null it out with
spaces (hex character 20). It should contain no byte above 7E, nor below
20 other than 0D and 0A (and possibly 09).
Very good idea. Would take some time. I have until Tuesday.
And I've looked at the text just before it stops printing and for 30
lines afterwards, and I've looked before and after the places it starts
printing again, and I don't see anything different.
--viewer/editor. https://www.searchandreplace.com/fshexedit.htm is one such. >> []
Failing that, print - from Acrobat or other PDF viewer, or Edge or
Firefox - one page at a time. Don't mess with double-sided - if
absolutely necessary to have double-sided, print the odd pages, one at a
time, then you can feed the paper back into the printer to get even
pages printed on the other sides.
Also a good idea.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 18 Jul 2026 17:44:42 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:[]
On 07/18/2026 1:36 PM, micky wrote:
I can't get a text file to print completely.
Well, I hope to reply to each of you, but because you are the last
poster replying directly to me, I will say what's probably the end of
the story.
I sent an email to myself with the file attached. Opened it with
Notepad++ on the upstairs win10 computer, and printed it from there, and
it printed completely on the first try!!!! 2-sided even, Almost 13
pages, 7 sheets.
A victory for win10!!!. I hope you win10 guys appreciate this.
And a good reazon for me not to have retired my older computer.
Unlike win11, in one small aspect it didn't display or print as well in win10. Because it's a chat, every line starts with the date and time. Between the time numbers and AM or PM, in one of the programs on win11,
it showed the outline of a little square box, but in win10 Notepad++ on screen and printed, it shows NNBSP. Narrow No-Break Space (Unicode
character U+202F)
In the printed version it's darkly shaded and the letters are very
hard to make out. It makes every line 4 characters longer but I don't
think that matters here. I updated Notepad++ to the most recent
version, but it didn't change. Downstairs, nothing shows on the screen
in any but that one program, and for all the various Page 1's that I
printed, it's just one blank space between the numbers,
for example 9:45 PM.
But this was not the cause of the problem because thisappears for every entry, almost every sentence, from the first line until the last.
I will try to find the problem and get back to you all, but I've looked already and I know I'll lose interest soon.
Thanks again eveyone.
I just tried an elevated cmd window with the command
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
and I get "Unable to initialize device PRN" which google says relates
to Python. I don't have Python. Do I want it?? Just 4 years ago,
within win10, I could print a file this way from the cmd box to a
printer without any of the printer software installed on my computer. No mention of initializing or Python. Maybe Powershell will work better?
Nope, same error message.
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
the port name, and the IP address and got the same error message every
time.
On 2026/7/19 2:46:46, micky wrote:
Unlike win11, in one small aspect it didn't display or print as well in
win10. Because it's a chat, every line starts with the date and time.
Between the time numbers and AM or PM, in one of the programs on win11,
it showed the outline of a little square box, but in win10 Notepad++ on
screen and printed, it shows NNBSP. Narrow No-Break Space (Unicode
character U+202F)
Clearly NOT a "text file".
On 7/19/2026 3:46 AM, micky wrote:
I can't get a text file to print completely.
I will try to find the problem and get back to you all, but I've looked
already and I know I'll lose interest soon.
I think, the problem is not the text file or the program
you use to print it, but the HW of the printer, the communication
(what do you use, USB or WLAN) or the printer driver.
Seems you can print at least one page, so for a fast
work around:
Open the text file in any program where you can specify the
pages to print (any word processing program or even Firefox).
Print page one, then in a new print job print page 3, then
page 5 and so on. Then reinsert the paper to print page 2,4,..
on the back site.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:50:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/7/19 0:55:5, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 18 Jul 2026 18:21:42 GMT, Frank Slootweg[]
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
As it *displays* fine in Notepad++, print it in Notepad+++, but use
"Microsoft Print to PDF" as the 'printer'.
Oh, this is so easy.
So you have a PDF that appears to show the same text?
Yes.
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybeAnything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
On 2026-07-19 03:17, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:50:34 +0100, "J. P.
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
So you have a PDF that appears to show the same text?
Yes.
And printing from the PDF tool works? Using Adobe Reader, perhaps?
If it doesn't, there is another way. Use a tool to convert all pages of
the PDF to JPG, then print each JPG separately.
I can not say what tool to do the conversion to JPG in Windows. I know
how to do it in Linux. Somebody else would know.
Looking with a text editor is not that useful. Even if the text is
ASCII, characters below 20 are trouble, but those above 127 are legit.
However, likely the text is Unicode. Not possible to interpret unless
you are an expert.
On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybeAnything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
It is UTF-8 text.
On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:Does UTF-8 do colour?
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down.Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
It is UTF-8 text.
On 2026/7/19 21:15:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-19 03:17, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:50:34 +0100, "J. P.
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
Well, if all else fails, the PrtScn key (followed by a paste into anySo you have a PDF that appears to show the same text?
Yes.
And printing from the PDF tool works? Using Adobe Reader, perhaps?
If it doesn't, there is another way. Use a tool to convert all pages of
the PDF to JPG, then print each JPG separately.
I can not say what tool to do the conversion to JPG in Windows. I know
how to do it in Linux. Somebody else would know.
image editor - I use IrfanView for nearly everything; then a crop of edgestuff if necessary) would do, though the quality wouldn't be great
if it's a long block of text or a low-res screen.
But micky's got it to work (via his W10 computer).
Looking with a text editor is not that useful. Even if the text is
ASCII, characters below 20 are trouble, but those above 127 are legit.
Despite some people using the term "extended ASCII", ASCII was never
extended beyond 7F. Though some encodings that go beyond 7F _call_
themselves ASCII, I think.
However, likely the text is Unicode. Not possible to interpret unlessIndeed.
you are an expert.
On 2026-07-19 23:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/7/19 21:15:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-19 03:17, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:50:34 +0100, "J. P.
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
Well, if all else fails, the PrtScn key (followed by a paste into anySo you have a PDF that appears to show the same text?
Yes.
And printing from the PDF tool works? Using Adobe Reader, perhaps?
If it doesn't, there is another way. Use a tool to convert all pages of
the PDF to JPG, then print each JPG separately.
I can not say what tool to do the conversion to JPG in Windows. I know
how to do it in Linux. Somebody else would know.
image editor - I use IrfanView for nearly everything; then a crop of
edgestuff if necessary) would do, though the quality wouldn't be great
if it's a long block of text or a low-res screen.
Yes, but prtscn would not get the entire page unless zoomed out. Better to do a conversion PDF ? PNG, much better quality. I'm sure there are programs in Windows to do it. At worst, install something like gimp.
But micky's got it to work (via his W10 computer).
Yes, I read it later.
Looking with a text editor is not that useful. Even if the text is
ASCII, characters below 20 are trouble, but those above 127 are legit.
Oops. meant to write HEX editor.
Despite some people using the term "extended ASCII", ASCII was never
extended beyond 7F. Though some encodings that go beyond 7F _call_
themselves ASCII, I think.
In Spain, we used the entire 8 bit space, ie, 255 chars, except the lower part that were control codes. In the IBM-PC world, the upper 127 chars were used, even in the USA, for things like line drawings and some accented letters. The codepage command changed the map of the upper 127 chars. In the IBM-PC world, the 8 bit text was always legal.
However, likely the text is Unicode. Not possible to interpret unlessIndeed.
you are an expert.
On 2026-07-19 23:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
On 2026/7/19 21:15:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can not say what tool to do the conversion to JPG in Windows. I knowWell, if all else fails, the PrtScn key (followed by a paste into any
how to do it in Linux. Somebody else would know.
image editor - I use IrfanView for nearly everything; then a crop of
edgestuff if necessary) would do, though the quality wouldn't be great
if it's a long block of text or a low-res screen.
Yes, but prtscn would not get the entire page unless zoomed out. Better
to do a conversion PDF ? PNG, much better quality. I'm sure there are programs in Windows to do it. At worst, install something like gimp.
But micky's got it to work (via his W10 computer).
Yes, I read it later.
Looking with a text editor is not that useful. Even if the text is
ASCII, characters below 20 are trouble, but those above 127 are legit.
Oops. meant to write HEX editor.
Despite some people using the term "extended ASCII", ASCII was never
extended beyond 7F. Though some encodings that go beyond 7F _call_
themselves ASCII, I think.
In Spain, we used the entire 8 bit space, ie, 255 chars, except the
lower part that were control codes. In the IBM-PC world, the upper 127
chars were used, even in the USA, for things like line drawings and some accented letters. The codepage command changed the map of the upper 127 chars. In the IBM-PC world, the 8 bit text was always legal.
However, likely the text is Unicode. Not possible to interpret unlessIndeed.
you are an expert.
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
Does UTF-8 do colour?
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ?????????????????????
Which means, even if we found a crude utility, and it "seemed to work here", it might not work for Micky. That was one reason I wanted to find a sample file,
to see whether it matched the horrors described.
On 2026/7/19 22:24:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-19 23:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
On 2026/7/19 21:15:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Oh, I definitely agree. That was just a quick and dirty way of doing itI can not say what tool to do the conversion to JPG in Windows. I know >>>> how to do it in Linux. Somebody else would know.Well, if all else fails, the PrtScn key (followed by a paste into any
image editor - I use IrfanView for nearly everything; then a crop of
edgestuff if necessary) would do, though the quality wouldn't be great
if it's a long block of text or a low-res screen.
Yes, but prtscn would not get the entire page unless zoomed out. Better
to do a conversion PDF ? PNG, much better quality. I'm sure there are
programs in Windows to do it. At worst, install something like gimp.
if nothing else was available. As you say, you'd have to zoom out to get
the whole page, which would terrible the quality.
Ah, I was a bit puzzled!
But micky's got it to work (via his W10 computer).
Yes, I read it later.
Looking with a text editor is not that useful. Even if the text is
ASCII, characters below 20 are trouble, but those above 127 are legit.
Oops. meant to write HEX editor.
Oh yes, the upper 128 byte values have lots of alternative character
Despite some people using the term "extended ASCII", ASCII was never
extended beyond 7F. Though some encodings that go beyond 7F _call_
themselves ASCII, I think.
In Spain, we used the entire 8 bit space, ie, 255 chars, except the
lower part that were control codes. In the IBM-PC world, the upper 127
chars were used, even in the USA, for things like line drawings and some
accented letters. The codepage command changed the map of the upper 127
chars. In the IBM-PC world, the 8 bit text was always legal.
sets - as you say, box drawing ones and the like; and, there's a pretty common one that has most of the accented, umlauted, tilded, and so on characters for many European languages (even the ? for my ?koda [car]).
I've often seen this particular set referred to as "extended ASCII";
however, strictly ASCII was/is an American standard (American Standard
Code for Information Interchange), which I read once somewhere was never _officially_ extended beyond 127 (delete).
On 2026/7/19 22:24:9, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
Does UTF-8 do colour?
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ?????????????????????
You learn something every day!
I had to zoom in to see what's in your .sig; since they are flags, do I assume that UTF-8 is much bigger than 128 or 256 character spaces, as
flags alone would take up most of that number?
On 2026/7/19 22:24:9, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
Does UTF-8 do colour?
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ?????????????????????
You learn something every day!
I had to zoom in to see what's in your .sig; since they are flags, do I assume that UTF-8 is much bigger than 128 or 256 character spaces, as
flags alone would take up most of that number?
On 2026/7/19 22:24:9, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
Does UTF-8 do colour?
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ?????????????????????
You learn something every day!
I had to zoom in to see what's in your .sig; since they are flags, do I assume that UTF-8 is much bigger than 128 or 256 character spaces, as
flags alone would take up most of that number?
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:Does UTF-8 do colour?
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down.Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
It is UTF-8 text.
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ?????????????????????
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES??, EU??;
On 7/19/2026 1:36 AM, micky wrote:
I can't get a text file to print completely.
.....
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
....
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
You are having problem with the PRINT
command (via "LPT1"), not about
printing a big text file.
You sure that your text file
is really a plain-text file
without strange codes and/or
non-printable cahracters?
That affects PRINT command.
On 7/19/2026 3:46 AM, micky wrote:
I can't get a text file to print completely.
I will try to find the problem and get back to you all, but I've looked
already and I know I'll lose interest soon.
I think, the problem is not the text file or the program
you use to print it, but the HW of the printer, the communication
(what do you use, USB or WLAN) or the printer driver.
Seems you can print at least one page, so for a fast
work around:
Open the text file in any program where you can specify the
pages to print (any word processing program or even Firefox).
Print page one, then in a new print job print page 3, then
page 5 and so on. Then reinsert the paper to print page 2,4,..
on the back site.
I'm using WLAN from both computers. I assumed I was using the same
printer driver. I installed in each the software that the Brother
webpage provides for the printer, but maybe Brother provided something >different for win10 vs. 11?
They do make one choose OS, 7 different versions including 11 and 10-32
or -4 bit. Is it almost guaranteed that they have to be different
because 10 and 11 are different? Once they have two versions, they
might update the 11 version and not do so to 10.
Yes, of course they did, since the NNBSP doesn't show in 11. So maybe
while trying to make something better in 11, they made something else
worse.
But this was not the cause of the problem because thisappears for every
entry, almost every sentence, from the first line until the last.
No, there was obviously some other control character, that you'd be able
to see with a hex viewer - if you bother now. (I'd say at least install
a hex viewer/editor, if you haven't already - it can be useful in the >future.)
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 23:24:09 +0200, "Carlos
E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:Does UTF-8 do colour?
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down.Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
It is UTF-8 text.
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ???®??????????????????????¦???®??????????????????????¦???®??????????????????????¦
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES???¦????, EU???¦???§;
FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, so I don't see smileys,
flags, or color here. I could use Thunderbird but I trust you are
telling me the truth. ;-) What shows quoted in this reply is not the
same as what showed in your post also. Many of the characters are
different.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 23:24:09 +0200, "Carlos
E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:Does UTF-8 do colour?
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down.Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
It is UTF-8 text.
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ???®??????????????????????¦???®??????????????????????¦???®??????????????????????¦
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES???¦????, EU???¦???§;
FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
so I don't see smileys,
flags, or color here. I could use Thunderbird but I trust you are
telling me the truth. ;-) What shows quoted in this reply is not the
same as what showed in your post also. Many of the characters are
different.
Well, I hope to reply to each of you, but because you are the last
poster replying directly to me, I will say what's probably the end of
the story.
I sent an email to myself with the file attached. Opened it with
Notepad++ on the upstairs win10 computer, and printed it from there, and
it printed completely on the first try!!!! 2-sided even, Almost 13
pages, 7 sheets.
A victory for win10!!!. I hope you win10 guys appreciate this.
And a good reazon for me not to have retired my older computer.
On 2026-07-19 03:46, micky wrote:
Well, I hope to reply to each of you, but because you are the last
poster replying directly to me, I will say what's probably the end of
the story.
I sent an email to myself with the file attached. Opened it with
Notepad++ on the upstairs win10 computer, and printed it from there, and
it printed completely on the first try!!!!ÿ 2-sided even, Almost 13
pages, 7 sheets.
A victory for win10!!!.ÿ I hope you win10 guys appreciate this.
And a good reazon for me not to have retired my older computer.
If the email client interpreted the file as "text", it then can do a translation on the text, in effect cleaning out the codes that break printing.
On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 13:36:48 -0400, micky wrote:
I just tried an elevated cmd window with the command
print "C:\Data\WhatsApp Chat with +1 (442) nnn-nnnn.txt" lpt1
and I get "Unable to initialize device PRN" which google says relates
to Python. I don't have Python. Do I want it?? Just 4 years ago,
within win10, I could print a file this way from the cmd box to a
printer without any of the printer software installed on my computer. No
mention of initializing or Python. Maybe Powershell will work better?
Nope, same error message.
Is LPT1 the wrong nomenclature? I also tried it with the printer name,
the port name, and the IP address and got the same error message every
time.
You'll need to use `net use` to map a network shared printer to a new DOS >device name. Use `net view \\computername` to get the shared printer name on >that <computername>.
If I'm not mistaken, a? shared printer which is not mapped via `net use` >won't have a DOS device name.
You can use `net use` to check whether or not, a shared printer is already >mapped and has an assigned DOS device name.
They do make one choose OS, 7 different versions including 11 and
10-32 or -4 bit.
WHAT?? MS brought out a four bit OS?? WOW!! ;-P Talk about a VERY select >Clientele.
Is it almost guaranteed that they have to be different because 10 and
11 are different? Once they have two versions, they might update the
11 version and not do so to 10.
I noticed you replied to yourself, micky. I thought THAT might have been
you correcting you .... but NO! ;-P
On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 23:24:09 +0200, "Carlos
E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:Does UTF-8 do colour?
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down.Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
It is UTF-8 text.
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ?????????????????????
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES??, EU??;
FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't >understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
so I don't see smileys,
flags, or color here. I could use Thunderbird but I trust you are
telling me the truth. ;-) What shows quoted in this reply is not the
same as what showed in your post also. Many of the characters are
different.
On Mon, 7/20/2026 7:19 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 23:24:09 +0200, "Carlos
E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:Does UTF-8 do colour?
heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down.Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
It is UTF-8 text.
Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
Or this: ?????????????????????
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES??, EU??;
FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, so I don't see smileys,
flags, or color here. I could use Thunderbird but I trust you are
telling me the truth. ;-) What shows quoted in this reply is not the
same as what showed in your post also. Many of the characters are
different.
If Forte Agent can save out a USENET message as a .eml file,
you can open the .eml file in Notepad and the colors and so on
will show up. While Thunderbird can do it too, you'd have to set up >Thunderbird to access the message. Whereas Notepad just needs
the file to work.
In Carlos signature, looking with a hex editor, are two letters ASCII, >followed by F0 9F 87 AA and F0 9F 87 B8 , which are individual
letters, a little smaller in size than the ASCII-like materials to the
left of them.
The colored squares are similar in design F0 9F 9F AB and
use four bytes each, for one colored square.
Even if the .eml doesn't have a BOM at the very beginning of the
file (like FF FE), Notepad can still figure out the encoding and
open it properly.
If the SoftBank encoding of emoji are present in a file, then
Notepad cannot parse that and neither can Thunderbird, as the
three byte codes in question do not follow standards. As a result,
the individual bytes appear as "weird characters" instead.
Paul
On Sat, 7/18/2026 10:54 PM, Paul wrote:
On Sat, 7/18/2026 9:46 PM, micky wrote:
Narrow No-Break Space (Unicode
character U+202F)
Freaky stuff. Should be fun doing a "Replace"
in a text editor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-breaking_space
Maybe eventually the max width of a line was exceeded ?
Paul
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36219878/whatsapp-export-is-there-a-unicode-emoticon-compressing-convention
Looking into the hexadecimal representation of the emoticons (only):
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... Dump
ee 81 9a ee 84 8c ee 84 9c ?.??? Softbank encoding <=== WhatsApp
instead of
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b ... Dump
f0 9f 92 a9 f0 9f 91 bd f0 9f 92 80 ??? Unicode version
and that means there could be some turbulence near the
non-text bits.
When they say things like this, they're also avoiding
all the details of what hides in there.
"WhatsApp uses UTF-8 encoding for `_chat.txt` exports."
Paul
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 09:27:55 +0100, "J. P. >Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:...
But this was not the cause of the problem because thisappears for every
entry, almost every sentence, from the first line until the last.
No, there was obviously some other control character, that you'd be able
to see with a hex viewer - if you bother now. (I'd say at least install
a hex viewer/editor, if you haven't already - it can be useful in the >>future.)
I have one in the prior computer AxD, or HxD or something.
Okay, installed, but the time-consuming part is looking for the problem >bytes. I'll get back to you.
Ah, I was a bit puzzled!Oops. meant to write HEX editor.Looking with a text editor is not that useful. Even if the text is
ASCII, characters below 20 are trouble, but those above 127 are legit. >>>
Sorry! Sometimes the mind orders something but the hand has a different >mind. And the eyes see what was ordered, not what was actually typed.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 18 Jul 2026 19:30:22 +0100, Print
Text <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/07/2026 18:36, micky wrote:
So far I've used Notepad++ and Libreoffice. Notepad++
Have you tried using Microsoft Notepad? Why not? Is it because you think >>it's spying on you?
No, LOL It's because somehow it always takes too much paper, but I
tried it just now because you are suggesting I should and it was going
to print 35 page instead of 17. It's not just a waste of paper. I
think it's off-putting to anyone including the hearing officer when I
hand him a stack that thick.
If you're using Windows 11 and you still have WordPad installed, it's >>another Microsoft product worth trying.
I installed Wordpad. I knew about these variious programs but I was
hoping one of you knew in advance one that is known to bulldoze through
the kind of problem I'm having.
Windows 10 has both Notepad and WordPad, so try using those instead.
I'll get back to you.
Both Windows 10 and 11 allow you to save/print files as PDFs, so try
doing this to avoid wasting paper and toner unnecessarily.
To print to a LPT1 printer you need this simple command:
copy /B yourfile.txt LPT1
Yes, using copy instead of print. I forgot that it should be copy, an
actual DOS command. However it says
The system cannot find the file specified. I made a new copy of the
file with a simple name that coudl not be misspelled. Could "lpt1" be
the file that cannot be found? YES!!!! It could be, because when I
changed to the port name instead of LPT1, it copied it!!!. But... :-(
when I went to the printer there was nothing there.
Problem not really solved but evaded. See the end of my reply to
Knuttle.
It takes the SoftBank emoji and makes "three weird characters" from the
three byte sequence it sees.
This is not cleaning as such, just as ForteAgent converting UTF-8 messages >into "text" by interpreting individual bytes using some other code page,
is not cleaning. It's spew.
The reason the older WhatsApp cannot be handled directly, is the Softbank >emoji encoding is not a standard, so any "standard" interpreter will do
the wrong thing when it hits them. If an individual byte happens to be
an End-of-Text, you could cause a parser to die on the spot. And we'd need
an expert to tell us how or why that is happening. Only the file Micky has, >has this property. I got a WhatsApp sample, and the sample I got was
in pretty good shape, so not all their _chat.txt are a mess. The emoji in
my sample, were four byte ones.
Only Micky can figure this out, as he has the file.
These files apparently come from some database, so these are
database records extracted and "placed in a text file". WhatsApp
does not know or care, what character sequence is in each sample,
and it is "up to the user to decide what to do with it". So rather than
the claim that "they dropped all the formatting", it is rather a
matter of just taking the content of a database entry, and "shoving"
it into a text file.
Paul
man ascii in Linux says:
ASCII is the American Standard Code for Information
Interchange. It is a 7-bit code. Many 8-bit codes
(e.g., ISO/IEC 8859-1) contain ASCII as their lower half.
The international counterpart of ASCII is known
as ISO/IEC 646-IRV.
-RichardWon't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you.
I read that line a few minutes ago and didn't even notice a problem. The sentence made me think about a hex editor that I dl'd and installed a
couple hours ago.
-RichardWon't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you.
If Forte Agent can save out a USENET message as a .eml file,
you can open the .eml file in Notepad and the colors and so on
will show up. While Thunderbird can do it too, you'd have to set up Thunderbird to access the message. Whereas Notepad just needs
the file to work.
On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:[]
[]FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
-RichardWon't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you.
Well, the drivers have the same version number and approximate length
win10 11/28/2012 (1.11) 23.04 MB
win11 11/28/2012 (1.11) 23.04 MB
But I didn't download and compare them, and they print NNBSP differently
so they must be different, right?
-RichardWon't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 20 Jul 2026 07:53:09 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 09:27:55 +0100, "J. P....
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
But this was not the cause of the problem because thisappears for every >>>> entry, almost every sentence, from the first line until the last.
No, there was obviously some other control character, that you'd be able >>> to see with a hex viewer - if you bother now. (I'd say at least install
a hex viewer/editor, if you haven't already - it can be useful in the
future.)
I have one in the prior computer AxD, or HxD or something.
Okay, installed, but the time-consuming part is looking for the problem
bytes. I'll get back to you.
Okay, it's installed, but I don't know what to look for. Some 2-letter
hex numbers are in black and some in grey, but there are loads of them
in grey so that's not enough to go on. There is a Data Inspector off to
the right, but I don't know what that is for.
On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:[]
[]FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people >consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even >Notepad knows about them (when did that start?),
we dinosaurs/pedants
probably ought to give in.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 20 Jul 2026 22:51:56 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
They do make one choose OS, 7 different versions including 11 and
10-32 or -4 bit.
WHAT?? MS brought out a four bit OS?? WOW!! ;-P Talk about a VERY select
Clientele.
I think it's for children.
Is it almost guaranteed that they have to be different because 10 and
11 are different? Once they have two versions, they might update the
11 version and not do so to 10.
I noticed you replied to yourself, micky. I thought THAT might have been
you correcting you .... but NO! ;-P
I talk to myself, too!
-RichardWon't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you.
I have one in the prior computer AxD, or HxD or something. In a way I
wanted to copy over ever piece of software from the prior computer, in
the same way I copied almost all my data**, but I didn't.
Okay, installed, but the time-consuming part is looking for the problem bytes. I'll get back to you.
-RichardWon't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you.
You're trying to print from the command line without using any software?!
Just print it from inside Notepad++ like any normal person would.
On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:[]
[]FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants probably ought to give in.
On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:[]
[]FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't >> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants probably ought to give in.
In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127,
we simply can not write Spanish.
So, it is not ascii (american standard), but it is text.
And then, there are languages that are not supported by just the 255 charset, they need other sets. Arabic and Chinese are two examples.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:[]
[]FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't >>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people
consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even
Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants
probably ought to give in.
In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127,
we simply can not write Spanish.
No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-)
Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need
local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other
countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and
peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.).
On 2026/7/20 14:30:5, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 20 Jul 2026 22:51:56 +1000, Daniel70I think the original one-chip microprocessor - the Intel 4004 (not to be confused with the CMOS 4000 series device of the same name!) - _was_ a
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
They do make one choose OS, 7 different versions including 11 and
10-32 or -4 bit.
WHAT?? MS brought out a four bit OS?? WOW!! ;-P Talk about a VERY select >>> Clientele.
I think it's for children.
Is it almost guaranteed that they have to be different because 10 and
11 are different? Once they have two versions, they might update the
11 version and not do so to 10.
I noticed you replied to yourself, micky. I thought THAT might have been >>> you correcting you .... but NO! ;-P
I talk to myself, too!
4-bit. IIRR, it was in a (then) standard 16-pin DIL package, too.
On 2026/7/20 12:53:9, micky wrote:
[]
I have one in the prior computer AxD, or HxD or something. In a way I
wanted to copy over ever piece of software from the prior computer, in
the same way I copied almost all my data**, but I didn't.
You mean just by copying over a folder structure? You haven't really
been able to do that since about Windows 95; unfortunately, when you
install software, as well as making its own folder and putting files in
it, it also scatters other files elsewhere, makes changes to the
registry, adds to the startup menu, and goodness knows what else; just copying like data, you're almost certain to miss something somewhere.
And the settings it tweaks are probably different for different versions
of Windows, too.
If they offer a "portable" version, those _may_ be copyable, but most software even if it had a portable option doesn't _use_ that version by default.
[]
Okay, installed, but the time-consuming part is looking for the problem
bytes. I'll get back to you.
Doesn't HXD show the text representation alongside the hex values? I'd
look in that for the text just before the problem area, then see what
follows it.
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