On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 14:44:23 -0400, Paul wrote:

Winget may span more than one repository. As if I do this:

winget list

I don't see any Coreutils by doing that.

I understand what Microsoft have actually done is port the Rust-based
remake of Coreutils, rather than the original versions written in C.

I further understand that there are some inadvertent incompatibilities
in the Rust-based Coreutils, which has caused Ubuntu to revert
embracing them and go back to the original versions.

<https://linuxiac.com/ubuntu-reverts-rust-cp-after-it-breaks-live-image-builds/>

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On Thu, 8/27/2026 9:21 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 14:44:23 -0400, Paul wrote:

Winget may span more than one repository. As if I do this:

winget list

I don't see any Coreutils by doing that.

I understand what Microsoft have actually done is port the Rust-based
remake of Coreutils, rather than the original versions written in C.

I further understand that there are some inadvertent incompatibilities
in the Rust-based Coreutils, which has caused Ubuntu to revert
embracing them and go back to the original versions.

<https://linuxiac.com/ubuntu-reverts-rust-cp-after-it-breaks-live-image-builds/>

A topic like this, is a bit like explaining wine selection,
to people who don't drink wine. You have to do your research
and select a good vintage.

At least with cygwin, you used to see some amount of curation,
some amount of organization. The x86 version, I liked that and
had installed it several times over the years. But when that
was discontinued and an x64 version showed up, I installed
that one day, and there was some disconcerting network activity,
(something you never saw on the x86 version), I uninstalled it
and that was the last Cygwin here. But other than that, at least
you have a lineup of stuff that's all been tested and packages
managed.

The winget thing, I have no idea if it has any concept of
"Repository" or it just "shops at the 7-11 and the Dollar Store".
It seems to be downloading from Sourceforge. Working with Sourceforge
is fine, as long as you do some amount of investigation before
the install step. A thing like WinGet as a concept, to be shooting
from the hip like that, the Repository used must be well maintained
to be that trusting. And finding it downloading from Sourceforge
does not inspire confidence. I have no idea what the folks at
Sourceforge do, to ensure no supply side attacks. I could understand this behavior, if say, Microsoft had bought Sourceforge.

Paul

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On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 22:21:14 -0400, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 8/27/2026 9:21 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

I understand what Microsoft have actually done is port the
Rust-based remake of Coreutils, rather than the original versions
written in C.

I further understand that there are some inadvertent
incompatibilities in the Rust-based Coreutils, which has caused
Ubuntu to revert embracing them and go back to the original
versions.

<https://linuxiac.com/ubuntu-reverts-rust-cp-after-it-breaks-live-image-builds/>

A topic like this, is a bit like explaining wine selection, to
people who don't drink wine. You have to do your research and select
a good vintage.

The cp(1) command is documented to work a certain way. The C version
does that, the Rust version doesn?t.

<https://manpages.debian.org/cp(1)>

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On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 21:11:58 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

I, for one, always thought Linux, being free and rather capable,
would outcompete Windows, but alas, there's power to corporate
MSOffice that is undeniably sticky, to the point that Linux is
mostly servers, not desktops.

Microsoft seems to be moving away from ?Microsoft Office? towards
?Microsoft 365?. And the latter lists Linux as an officially-supported platform.

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On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 23:12:20 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

Most of the adb examples on the web assume Unix tools such as grep,
sed or awk are available in the shell. That grep/sed/awk combination
is completely natural on the Linux side but less natural from a
Windows command prompt.

The noble quest is to make that completely natural on the Windows
CLI. With Paul's CoreUtils solution & my WSL solution, we're almost
there now.

There are fundamental limitations on Windows which prevent that from
ever being a mainstream solution.

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On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 15:27:32 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

For decades, I wondered why Linux didn't kill Windows, where, over
the years, I had to conclude that the MS Office suite was sticky
stuff in corporate environs, and, seemingly just as web like in home computing.

Linux has taken over every market outside the desktop where Windows
has tried to go: mobile (Windows Phone, Windows RT), living-room
(Windows Media Center), home server (Windows Home Server), corporate
(Windows Server), supercomputer (Windows Server HPC) -- all those
Microsoft products were killed by Linux.

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Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote on 8/28/2026 5:26 PM:

On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 15:27:32 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

For decades, I wondered why Linux didn't kill Windows, where, over
the years, I had to conclude that the MS Office suite was sticky
stuff in corporate environs, and, seemingly just as web like in home
computing.

Linux has taken over every market outside the desktop where Windows
has tried to go: mobile (Windows Phone, Windows RT), living-room
(Windows Media Center), home server (Windows Home Server), corporate
(Windows Server), supercomputer (Windows Server HPC) -- all those
Microsoft products were killed by Linux.

Indeed. I am amazed that there are still 7 people left who claim to run microsoft windows. I think they are all running linux and lying about it.

Why do they do this?





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Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote on 8/28/2026 5:26 PM:

On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 15:27:32 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

For decades, I wondered why Linux didn't kill Windows, where, over
the years, I had to conclude that the MS Office suite was sticky
stuff in corporate environs, and, seemingly just as web like in home
computing.

Linux has taken over every market outside the desktop where Windows
has tried to go: mobile (Windows Phone, Windows RT), living-room
(Windows Media Center), home server (Windows Home Server), corporate (Windows Server), supercomputer (Windows Server HPC) -- all those
Microsoft products were killed by Linux.

Indeed. I am amazed that there are still 7 people left who claim to run microsoft windows. I think they are all running linux and lying about it.

Why do they do this?

Exactly! As is clear from my 'User-Agent:' header, I'm one of those
liars.

I try to fob people off by using sed(1) (Can I be *more transparent!?)
to insert lame attempts like "CYGWIN", "NT", "WOW", etc. but of course
nobody is really falling for *that* one.

BTW, I didn't know that apparantly Android is Linux, but macOS isn't Unix/UNIX. Never too old to learn.

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 16:40:32 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

It's too bad the MS Rust CoreUtils don't have awk & sed though...

perl >> awk

sed ... I suppose it has its uses ...

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:05:42 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

This is apparently due to quirks in how Windows cmd.exe handles
syntax compared to how Linux bash handles that same syntax.

Remember what I said earlier about fundamental limitations in the way
Windows handles the command line?

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On Sun, 8/30/2026 2:56 AM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:05:42 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

This is apparently due to quirks in how Windows cmd.exe handles
syntax compared to how Linux bash handles that same syntax.

Remember what I said earlier about fundamental limitations in the way
Windows handles the command line?

I bet you can find better ways to do it.

In gawk, you can put a couple lines in a BEGIN {} clause
to handle line endings in and out. When you take
a script from Windows to Linux, you can add that to your
script to compensate for line endings.

BEGIN {
RS="\r\n";
ORS="\n";
}

These inline scripts, don't have to be inline.
You can shield them in their own files. Then the
Perl or AWK follow their own rules on quoting or whatever.
Sometimes, it's even easier to read the code and
make sense of it, if the code is indented and so on.

I don't normally do AWK one-liners. I like to put them
in files, for searching them later. I can look for file
extension .awk and Agent Ransack content search on RS,
to find examples of how to use RS.

Just about every OS, has pitiful examples of escape sequences,
and how you can "spend half a morning" figuring it out. It's
better to just reduce the mental load by putting things in boxes.

Paul

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On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 05:26:13 -0400, Paul wrote:

On Sun, 8/30/2026 2:56 AM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:05:42 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

This is apparently due to quirks in how Windows cmd.exe handles
syntax compared to how Linux bash handles that same syntax.

Remember what I said earlier about fundamental limitations in the
way Windows handles the command line?

I bet you can find better ways to do it.

On Windows, you can only do this by avoiding putting things on the
command line altogether:

These inline scripts, don't have to be inline. You can shield them
in their own files. Then the Perl or AWK follow their own rules on
quoting or whatever.

However:

Just about every OS, has pitiful examples of escape sequences, and
how you can "spend half a morning" figuring it out.

Some are more pitiful than others.

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