On 8/31/26 10:54 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/8/31 18:43:50, T wrote:
[]
One of the YUGE difficulties with migrating to Linux is that
the users have, as you call it, mussel memory It is also
Sounds fishy to me ...
It's not just major changes like windows to Linux; I also have muscle
memory for my Office 2003, and it's not supported in later versions.
(The first one or two after 2003 did, though popped up some
condescending message like "old key sequence recognised".)
[]
INDEED!
M$O 2003 was my favorite of all the M$O releases.
I have several customers and cling to the M$O 2003
CDs.
Can blame them, as once you have learned something, you
really do not want to relearn something else. But it
puts a real strain on trying to support them.
On 8/30/26 8:37 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 13:29:57 -0700, T wrote:
Not that I noticed.˙ Linux can be very universal, but with out the
applications people need, it is a catch 22.
I'm involved with a library project to help people move to Linux. Mint is
the recommended one although we certainly would help with others. Part of
the process is a document recommending backing up the current system,
doing due diligence on potential hardware problems like Apple silicon
machines, and so forth.
Then there is what the Catholics would call the Examination of Conscience. >> Is there any Windows application that you married until death do you
part?˙ There is a list of Linux alternatives for the common stumbling
blocks. For apps like LibreOffice that are cross platform we suggest
installing it on the existing Windows system to see if they can live with
it.
Even one of the people on the program admits he uses a Windows video
editing application and is really struggling to use the Linux equivalent.
The muscle memory developed over the years doesn't work.
I'm lucky. Almost everything I use is available on both Windows and
Linux.
Wow.˙ I admire you intestinal fortitude!
One of the YUGE difficulties with migrating to Linux is that
the users have, as you call it, mussel memory˙ It is also
years of intellectual property invested in a Windows
only programs.˙˙ The users really, really do not want to
learn anything new.
In my rounds, I will bend over backwards to assist people
with their old stuff.˙ I have even worked on DOS for them.
But I have to say, there does come a point where they
really do have to bite the bullet and learn something new.
It has become a hassle.
Your "Examination of Conscience" remark really hit the
nail on the head.
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 10:43:50 -0700, T wrote:
One of the YUGE difficulties with migrating to Linux is that the users
have, as you call it, mussel memory It is also years of intellectual
property invested in a Windows only programs. The users really, really
do not want to learn anything new.
I have never used Office so that whole set of memories is missing. If I received a RFP or something in Office format I used LibreOffice to read
it. Same for .xls. However I didn't use LO for document creation and even trying to edit something was a disaster.
My primary editor was, and still is, gVim. Cross-platform. I've started
On 8/31/26 2:57 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/8/31 19:11:48, T wrote:
On 8/31/26 10:54 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/8/31 18:43:50, T wrote:
[]
One of the YUGE difficulties with migrating to Linux is that
the users have, as you call it, mussel memory It is also
Sounds fishy to me ...
[]M$O 2003 was my favorite of all the M$O releases.
I have several customers and cling to the M$O 2003
CDs.
Can blame them, as once you have learned something, you
really do not want to relearn something else. But it
puts a real strain on trying to support them.
Well, it* works well enough for me under W10 - no support needed.
Remember, there is a difference between you and the general
compute using public. You are cleaver and know what
you are doing. Most of them do not. And it is our
jobs as consults to hold their hands.
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 10:02:44 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-08-31 22:11, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 10:43:50 -0700, T wrote:
One of the YUGE difficulties with migrating to Linux is that the users >>>> have, as you call it, mussel memory It is also years of intellectual
property invested in a Windows only programs. The users really,
really do not want to learn anything new.
I have never used Office so that whole set of memories is missing. If I
received a RFP or something in Office format I used LibreOffice to read
it. Same for .xls. However I didn't use LO for document creation and
even trying to edit something was a disaster.
My primary editor was, and still is, gVim. Cross-platform. I've started
Well, $O or LO are not Text Editors. They are, or contain, a Word
Processor. Way different thing. Different goals.
Not trying to say which is better. That's not possible really, makes no
sense.
Understood. I'm a programmer not someone who needs to create office type documents. WordStar had a fairly useful text mode but when office software replaced dedicated word processors like Wangs they became specialized, as
did programming editors and IDEs.
On 9/1/26 5:56 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Are you accusing me of doing a hatchet job? ?
I am accusing you of knowing what you are doing.
:-)
On 9/1/26 7:52 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/9/1 16:22:28, T wrote:
On 9/1/26 5:56 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Are you accusing me of doing a hatchet job? ?
I am accusing you of knowing what you are doing.
:-)
Oh dear, my humour is not being caught very much in this thread! I was
teasing because in the previous line you had told me I am "cleaver". and
earlier in the thread you had referred to "mussel memory", which I said
sounded fishy ...
My spelling is so bad I did not know the difference.
I went to Publik Skool.˙ Graduated with honors too.
I could barely read, write.˙ Did home work maybe
three times out of four years of Hi Skool.˙ My math
was pretty good though. When I hit Uni, oh holy ....
It was like I'd never been to skool.˙ Graduated
with honors again, but this time I earned it.
On 9/2/26 9:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 9/2/2026 11:06 PM, T wrote:
On 9/1/26 7:52 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/9/1 16:22:28, T wrote:
On 9/1/26 5:56 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Are you accusing me of doing a hatchet job? ?
I am accusing you of knowing what you are doing.
:-)
Oh dear, my humour is not being caught very much in this thread! I was >>>> teasing because in the previous line you had told me I am "cleaver". and >>>> earlier in the thread you had referred to "mussel memory", which I said >>>> sounded fishy ...
My spelling is so bad I did not know the difference.
I went to Publik Skool.˙ Graduated with honors too.
I could barely read, write.˙ Did home work maybe
three times out of four years of Hi Skool.˙ My math
was pretty good though. When I hit Uni, oh holy ....
It was like I'd never been to skool.˙ Graduated
with honors again, but this time I earned it.
The education system is amazing.
It's just like that machine that makes coleslaw.
˙˙˙ Paul
I got to watch it first hand as an adult when my sister,
who became a publik grade skool teacher, was correcting
papers and said, "oh this kid can't read, so we just pass
him through".
Linux is a superior OS to Windows indeed.˙˙ It is
faster, far more stable, the GUI's are easier to
use (well, not gnome, which it too weird to be
usable)
On 8/30/2026 1:08 PM, T wrote:
Linux is a superior OS to Windows indeed.˙˙ It is
faster, far more stable, the GUI's are easier to
use (well, not gnome, which it too weird to be
usable)
All very true.˙ If one can deal with the available software for Linux,
it offers every bit of the excellence Windows could claim, and really
more.˙ If I were making the choice solely based on the OS itself, it wouldn't even be a question that Linux would be the one.
On 8/30/2026 1:08 PM, T wrote:
Linux is a superior OS to Windows indeed.˙˙ It is
faster, far more stable, the GUI's are easier to
use (well, not gnome, which it too weird to be
usable)
All very true.˙ If one can deal with the available software for Linux,
it offers every bit of the excellence Windows could claim, and really more. If I were making the choice solely based on the OS itself, it wouldn't
even be a question that Linux would be the one.
Joel W. Crump wrote on 9/10/2026 4:29 PM:
On 8/30/2026 1:08 PM, T wrote:
Linux is a superior OS to Windows indeed.˙˙ It is
faster, far more stable, the GUI's are easier to
use (well, not gnome, which it too weird to be
usable)
All very true.˙ If one can deal with the available software for Linux,
it offers every bit of the excellence Windows could claim, and really
more.˙ If I were making the choice solely based on the OS itself, it
wouldn't even be a question that Linux would be the one.
I think linux is wonderful.˙ Maybe some day we can get a linux newsgroup.
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 17:34:54 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:
I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux
newsgroup.
I tried to start a thread about the upcoming kernel and Omarchy in comp.os.linux.misc. It lasted about a day.
Similar attempts in the past
have had the lifespan of a mayfly. I can argue politics with the best of
them if that's how it is.
Meanwhile comp.os.linux.misc has become a branch office of alt.fans.rush- limbaugh.
On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 12:37:09 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-09-11 06:25, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 17:34:54 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:
I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux
newsgroup.
I tried to start a thread about the upcoming kernel and Omarchy in
comp.os.linux.misc. It lasted about a day.
I read that thread when it came; I don't see any problem with it.
No, but it didn't kick off much discussion about Omarchy, kernels, or anything Linux related. Too much fun talking about batteries and politics,
I guess.
Meanwhile comp.os.linux.misc has become a branch office of alt.fans.rush- limbaugh.
I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux newsgroup.
On 9/10/26 3:34 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
I think linux is wonderful.˙ Maybe some day we can get a linux newsgroup.
There was one. I have not looked lately. It was populates
with total asses. When I need help, I just use the Fedora
mailing list. Not a single ass. And extremely helpful.
Also ChatGPT is pretty Windows and Linux literate
More fun:8< snip >8
<https://itsfoss.com/news/switzerland-replace-microssoft-pilot/>
Switzerland's Federal Government is Replacing Microsoft on 3,000 Computers
This is the pilot phase, with 3,000 workstations moving away from
Microsoft 365. The federal administration has over 54,000 computers.
On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 21:57:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
More fun:8< snip >8
<https://itsfoss.com/news/switzerland-replace-microssoft-pilot/>
Switzerland's Federal Government is Replacing Microsoft on 3,000 Computers >>
This is the pilot phase, with 3,000 workstations moving away from
Microsoft 365. The federal administration has over 54,000 computers.
Meanwhile, our minister-president (of Flanders) was very proud to
announce that civil servants would be starting to use M365 Copilot as of 2025. 5.000 licenses in 2025 and another 5.000 in 2026.
(What an idiot.)
On 9/12/26 12:28 PM, T wrote:
On 9/11/26 11:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 20:49:45 -0700, T wrote:
On 9/11/26 8:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
I'm running the Fedora 45 prerelease
Welcome to the Dark Side!
<maniacal laughter>
I am on 44.˙ 45 should hit general release sometime in October.
I will wait a month or two before upgrading
That's no fun. Walk on the wild side!˙ I haven't had many problems running >>> the prerelease versions. I guess something went off the rails with the 8 >>> September 6.7.5 KDE Plasma bug fix but it's all better now.
Ha!
I have a VM especially set up for that.˙ Time for me to
upgrade it!
I like KDE, but don't use it.˙ I have a Live ISO I can
run when I get curious.
My base system is Xfce by default and Mate by request.
I like having two so I can use the other one to fix my
screw ups.
You want to live on the bleeding edge and are feeling
particularly masochistic, try "Arch"
ChatGTP's take:
for when one is feeling particularly masochistic
ChatGPT said:
Exactly. ?
Arch Linux: for when you want to suffer with documentation.
Gentoo: for when you want to compile your suffering from source.
Linux From Scratch: for when you look at Gentoo and think, ?This is far too automated.?
Fedora Rawhide: for when you want your suffering to arrive via continuous integration.
And then there's TempleOS, for when you've decided the operating system itself should be part of the experience. ?
On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 13:37:28 +0200, s|b wrote:
There's definitely more than one. When I search my directory of combined news servers I find 1.258 newsgroups with 'linux' in their name.
Most of which are deader than Kelsey's nuts.
| Sysop: | Tetrazocine |
|---|---|
| Location: | Melbourne, VIC, Australia |
| Users: | 7 |
| Nodes: | 8 (0 / 8) |
| Uptime: | 28:55:47 |
| Calls: | 221 |
| Files: | 21,513 |
| Messages: | 84,565 |