• The History of the Computer Added to Web Site

    From Quadibloc@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jul 24 03:49:25 2023
    I put a page about the history of the computer on my web site a while
    back, and then when I decided to add pictures, it grew to about ten
    pages or so.
    Gradually, I added a few things here and there. I learned about some
    computers I hadn't known about, and I added mentions of some that
    I did know about.

    http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/histint.htm

    is the index page to that history.
    I even mention the Digital Differential Analyzer and the Burroughs
    Scientific Processor.

    Of course, there's plenty I haven't mentioned.
    I didn't go into the development of computers outside the United
    States all that much; although I mention one or two systems from
    Britain and from Japan, neither the BESM-6 nor that meritorious
    computer the model 109C gets a mention on the page - nothing
    about the efforts of Russia and China to make their own computers.
    I just couldn't find good pictures that I could use without copyright
    worries.
    I omit the Canon Cat, and, no doubt, many other computer systems of
    interest, as there are so many out there.

    John Savard

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  • From D.J.@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jul 24 05:15:56 2023
    On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:49:25 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    I put a page about the history of the computer on my web site a while
    back, and then when I decided to add pictures, it grew to about ten
    pages or so.
    Gradually, I added a few things here and there. I learned about some >computers I hadn't known about, and I added mentions of some that
    I did know about.

    http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/histint.htm

    is the index page to that history.
    I even mention the Digital Differential Analyzer and the Burroughs
    Scientific Processor.

    Thanks ! I'll give it a look this coming week. I should learn about
    the computers you all talk about I never heard of.
    --
    Jim

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  • From Quadibloc@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jul 24 09:47:34 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:49:28=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

    I omit the Canon Cat,

    I decided to relent and include it.

    John Savard

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  • From williamfindlay@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jul 24 09:58:18 2023
    On 24/07/2023 00:47, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:49:28 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

    I omit the Canon Cat,

    I decided to relent and include it.

    John Savard

    According to Wikipedia:

    The Ferranti Mark 1 was "the tidied up and commercialised version of the Manchester Mark I".
    The first machine was delivered to the Victoria University of Manchester in February 1951
    (publicly demonstrated in July) ahead of the UNIVAC I which was delivered to the United States
    Census Bureau in late December 1952, having been sold on 31 March 1951.

    --
    Bill F.


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  • From Mike Spencer@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jul 24 14:31:08 2023

    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:49:28 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

    I omit the Canon Cat,

    I decided to relent and include it.

    In 1953, my social studies teacher took our class to Boston for a day
    trip. Along with a visit to Old Ironsides and other historic sites, we
    went to see The Computer (note the definite article) at Harvard.

    Large room to which we were not admitted, viewed through a big window
    wall, with cabinets all around presumably containing squillions of
    vacuum tubes (relays?). We all gave the operator (guy on tour-guide
    duty?) our names and were presented with punched paper ca. 3/4" tapes
    allegedly bearing our names in punch code. Or at least that's the way
    I remember it.

    Would that have been the Harvard Mark I, nine years on from its debut?

    In 1953, the cannons on the Constitution were more intriguing than The
    Computer but in the ensuing years, I never fired a cannon but have
    five working computers. :-o

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jul 24 17:57:48 2023
    :
    On 24 Jul 2023 01:31:08 -0300
    Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:


    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:49:28 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

    I omit the Canon Cat,

    I decided to relent and include it.

    In 1953, my social studies teacher took our class to Boston for a day
    trip. Along with a visit to Old Ironsides and other historic sites, we
    went to see The Computer (note the definite article) at Harvard.

    Large room to which we were not admitted, viewed through a big window
    wall, with cabinets all around presumably containing squillions of
    vacuum tubes (relays?). We all gave the operator (guy on tour-guide
    duty?) our names and were presented with punched paper ca. 3/4" tapes allegedly bearing our names in punch code. Or at least that's the way
    I remember it.

    Would that have been the Harvard Mark I, nine years on from its debut?

    In 1953, the cannons on the Constitution were more intriguing than The Computer but in the ensuing years, I never fired a cannon but have
    five working computers. :-o

    Pshurely US citizens (I know, you're Canadian) are allowed all the
    cannons they want? That'd be a well-armed militia.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Chris Bigos@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 00:02:23 2023
    On Sunday, 23 July 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:
    I put a page about the history of the computer on my web site a while=20
    back

    I=E2=80=99ve just read the Third Generation page as that is my main interes=
    t. It is a worthwhile and interesting read, but I must point out an error w= ith one of the pictures. The first picture is a Model 65 and not a Model 50=
    .. An easy way to tell them apart is to count the number of roller knobs alo= ng the right side of the front panel. The Model 50 has four, while the Mode=
    l 65 has six.

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  • From Dennis Boone@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 00:32:23 2023
    In 1953, the cannons on the Constitution were more intriguing than The Computer but in the ensuing years, I never fired a cannon but have
    five working computers. :-o

    It being you, perhaps the better question would be whether you've
    _made_ a cannon. :)

    De

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 01:24:41 2023
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) writes:
    In 1953, the cannons on the Constitution were more intriguing than The Computer but in the ensuing years, I never fired a cannon but have
    five working computers. :-o

    It being you, perhaps the better question would be whether you've
    _made_ a cannon. :)

    Hasn't everyone? These were common when I was young.

    https://www.facebook.com/TheKingOfRandom/videos/tennis-ball-cannon-from-soup-cans/2120324738284337/

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  • From Quadibloc@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 03:11:06 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:58:21=E2=80=AFPM UTC-6, williamfindlay wrote:

    According to Wikipedia:=20
    =20
    The Ferranti Mark 1 was "the tidied up and commercialised version of th=
    e Manchester Mark I".=20
    The first machine was delivered to the Victoria University of Mancheste=
    r in February 1951=20
    (publicly demonstrated in July) ahead of the UNIVAC I which was deliver=
    ed to the United States=20
    Census Bureau in late December 1952, having been sold on 31 March 1951.=
    =20

    After realizing the nature of the error on my page which you have pointed o= ut, I have
    made the appropriate correction - so now I mention both the Ferranti Mark I=
    and the
    Zuse Z4 as well.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 03:23:34 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:02:25=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6, Chris Bigos wrote:

    I=E2=80=99ve just read the Third Generation page as that is my main inter=
    est. It is a
    worthwhile and interesting read, but I must point out an error with one o=
    f
    the pictures. The first picture is a Model 65 and not a Model 50. An easy
    way to tell them apart is to count the number of roller knobs along the
    right side of the front panel. The Model 50 has four, while the Model 65 =
    has six.

    Oops! I am particularly red-faced about this error, given that the page http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/pan04.htm
    also appears on my web site, and so I should have known better.

    The appropriate corrections have been made to http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/his04.htm

    Thank you.

    John Savard

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 04:33:22 2023
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:02:25=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6, Chris Bigos wrote:

    I=E2=80=99ve just read the Third Generation page as that is my main inter= >est. It is a
    worthwhile and interesting read, but I must point out an error with one o= >f
    the pictures. The first picture is a Model 65 and not a Model 50. An easy
    way to tell them apart is to count the number of roller knobs along the
    right side of the front panel. The Model 50 has four, while the Model 65 = >has six.

    Oops! I am particularly red-faced about this error, given that the page

    You should also be red-faced about leaving Dr. Atansoff's ABC computer
    out of your early history.


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  • From greymaus@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 05:36:22 2023
    On 2023-07-24, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:02:25=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6, Chris Bigos wrote:

    I=E2=80=99ve just read the Third Generation page as that is my main inter= >>est. It is a
    worthwhile and interesting read, but I must point out an error with one o= >>f
    the pictures. The first picture is a Model 65 and not a Model 50. An easy >>> way to tell them apart is to count the number of roller knobs along the
    right side of the front panel. The Model 50 has four, while the Model 65 = >>has six.

    Oops! I am particularly red-faced about this error, given that the page

    You should also be red-faced about leaving Dr. Atansoff's ABC computer
    out of your early history.


    The area he addresses is very wide.


    --
    greymausg@mail.com
    God Damn the Influencers

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  • From Quadibloc@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 06:05:34 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:33:24=E2=80=AFPM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    You should also be red-faced about leaving Dr. Atansoff's ABC computer=20
    out of your early history.

    Even if it was the first computer, as has been claimed by some definitions.= ...

    unlike the Harvard Mark I, it seems as though its main influence was to get mentioned during the course of a lawsuit.

    No doubt, though, that is superficial, and I will need to figure out what t=
    o
    say about the Atanasoff-Berry Computer to do it justice.

    John Savard

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  • From Bob Eager@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 06:29:17 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:11:06 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:

    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:58:21 PM UTC-6, williamfindlay wrote:

    According to Wikipedia:

    The Ferranti Mark 1 was "the tidied up and commercialised version of
    the Manchester Mark I". The first machine was delivered to the
    Victoria University of Manchester in February 1951 (publicly
    demonstrated in July) ahead of the UNIVAC I which was delivered to
    the United States Census Bureau in late December 1952, having been
    sold on 31 March 1951.

    After realizing the nature of the error on my page which you have
    pointed out, I have made the appropriate correction - so now I mention
    both the Ferranti Mark I and the Zuse Z4 as well.

    You may be interested in also including the following; its prototype used point contact transistors!

    http://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/misc/Report_on_the_Metrovick_950.pdf

    --
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    Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
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  • From Dennis Boone@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 13:27:51 2023
    Hasn't everyone? These were common when I was young.

    I was envisioning him turning a metal one on a lathe.

    De

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  • From Mike Spencer@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 14:51:39 2023

    drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) writes:

    In 1953, the cannons on the Constitution were more intriguing than The
    Computer but in the ensuing years, I never fired a cannon but have
    five working computers. :-o

    It being you, perhaps the better question would be whether you've
    _made_ a cannon. :)

    Being a blacksmith rather than a founder, I'd be limited to a very
    early approach to cannon making. I *did* visit the steel plant in
    Sydney, NS, where they cast a number of iron cannons. I forget what
    they were made for but my recollection is that the results weren't
    uniformly satisfactory.



    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From Quadibloc@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 25 18:24:55 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:33:24=E2=80=AFPM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    You should also be red-faced about leaving Dr. Atansoff's ABC computer=20
    out of your early history.

    I have now added a mention of both the Colossus and the ABC to the page. Originally, I was reluctant to talk about developments at any time which we=
    re
    invisible at the time, concentrating on the computer scene at any given tim=
    e
    as it was generally known to people living at the time.
    But developments that only became known in hindsight still had their influe= nce,
    so a mention was warranted.

    John Savard

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  • From Timothy McCaffrey@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Aug 1 05:09:21 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:49:28=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    I put a page about the history of the computer on my web site a while=20 back, and then when I decided to add pictures, it grew to about ten=20
    pages or so.=20
    Gradually, I added a few things here and there. I learned about some=20 computers I hadn't known about, and I added mentions of some that=20
    I did know about.=20
    =20
    http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/histint.htm=20
    =20
    is the index page to that history.=20
    I even mention the Digital Differential Analyzer and the Burroughs=20 Scientific Processor.=20
    =20
    Of course, there's plenty I haven't mentioned.=20
    I didn't go into the development of computers outside the United=20
    States all that much; although I mention one or two systems from=20
    Britain and from Japan, neither the BESM-6 nor that meritorious=20
    computer the model 109C gets a mention on the page - nothing=20
    about the efforts of Russia and China to make their own computers.=20
    I just couldn't find good pictures that I could use without copyright=20 worries.=20
    I omit the Canon Cat, and, no doubt, many other computer systems of=20 interest, as there are so many out there.=20
    =20
    John Savard

    The Whirlwind gets pretty short (and not entirely accurate) mention.

    1) It was the second computer to use Magnetic core storage. The first was
    the "Magnetic Core computer" (or something like that) that was built
    from spare Whirlwind modules. After the core modules were known=20
    to work they were moved over to Whirlwind.
    2) Whirlwind was not a prototype, it was used for many years, and I think w=
    as
    only one of its kind.
    3) Many of the lessons learned were adopted for use in the NORAD computers.
    4) One of the grad students that worked on the project had the initials K. = O., who
    went on to found a major computer company. The architecture of those = systems
    have a similarity to Whirlwind.

    - Tim (Whirlwind fan)

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  • From Quadibloc@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Aug 30 16:20:52 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 2:24:56=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:33:24=E2=80=AFPM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrot=
    e:
    You should also be red-faced about leaving Dr. Atansoff's ABC computer=
    =20
    out of your early history.

    I have now added a mention of both the Colossus and the ABC to the page.=
    =20
    Originally, I was reluctant to talk about developments at any time which =
    were=20
    invisible at the time, concentrating on the computer scene at any given t=
    ime=20
    as it was generally known to people living at the time.=20
    But developments that only became known in hindsight still had their infl=
    uence,=20
    so a mention was warranted.=20

    And, speaking of the United Kingdom, I've finally added a mention of the BB=
    C
    Micro and the Acorn Archimedes as well.

    John Savard

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  • From Bob Eager@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Aug 30 19:14:34 2023
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 23:20:52 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 2:24:56 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:33:24 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    You should also be red-faced about leaving Dr. Atansoff's ABC
    computer out of your early history.

    I have now added a mention of both the Colossus and the ABC to the
    page. Originally, I was reluctant to talk about developments at any
    time which were invisible at the time, concentrating on the computer
    scene at any given time as it was generally known to people living at
    the time.
    But developments that only became known in hindsight still had their
    influence,
    so a mention was warranted.

    And, speaking of the United Kingdom, I've finally added a mention of the
    BBC Micro and the Acorn Archimedes as well.

    Forgive me if I have already mentioned this, but you might add a nod to
    the Metrovick 950, one of the first transistorised computers (the
    prototype used point contact transistors).

    There is a small Wikipedia page (not my doing), but much more extensive information here:

    http://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/misc/Report_on_the_Metrovick_950.pdf




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