• The IBM System/360 Revolution

    From Lynn Wheeler@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 14 04:35:33 2023

    recent post in facebook groups:

    The IBM System/360 Revolution
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0_Lzb1CJw

    [Recorded April 7, 2004]

    Computer pioneers and National Medal of Technology awardees Erich
    Bloch, Fred Brooks, Jr. and Bob Evans with current IBM technology
    chief Nick Donofrio discuss the extraordinary IBM System/360 project.

    IBM launched the System/360 on April 7, 1964. Many consider it the
    biggest business gamble of all time. At the height of IBM's success,
    Thomas J. Watson, Jr. bet the company's future on a new compatible
    family of computer systems that would help revolutionize modern
    organizations. This lecture presents a behind-the-scenes view of the
    tough decisions made by some of the people who made them, and
    discusses how the System/360 helped transform the government, science
    and commercial landscape.

    Computer History Museum
    https://www.youtube.com/@ComputerHistory
    https://computerhistory.org/

    old (archived) 24 Mar 2004 bit.listserv post of the event http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#15 "360 revolution" at computer history museuam (x-post)

    linkedin year old post about IBM "downfall", starting with Learson
    trying(& fails) to block bureaucrats, careerists, MBAs from destroying
    Watson Legacy https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/john-boyd-ibm-wild-ducks-lynn-wheeler/
    a couple decades later, IBM has one of the largest losses in US company
    history and was being reorganized into the 13 "baby blues" in
    preparation for breaking up the company.

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  • From Lynn Wheeler@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 14 08:05:58 2023

    Amdahl guote about design of 360 (from facebook group)

    He said they identified at all the companies that had the recourses to
    pay them lots of money. Then they went to these companies and asked
    them what products/programs they would pay big money for. They
    designed these programs and identified common services they all relied
    upon and designed those services. Then they designed an OS that would
    well support those services and programs. Then they designed a
    customer support system. Then they designed the hardware to support
    the OS, services, programs, and customer support.

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  • From Lynn Wheeler@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Sep 14 11:56:51 2023

    re:
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2023e.html#68 The IBM System/360 Revolution http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2023e.html#69 The IBM System/360 Revolution
    and
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2023e.html#65 PDP-6 Architecture, was ISA

    last year posts related to 50th anniv of VM/370 (after decision to add virtual memory to all 370s)
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-2-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-3-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-4-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-5-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-6-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-7-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50-part-8-lynn-wheeler/

    I've mentiioned various times asked to tract down decision to add
    virtual memory to all 370s. Found staff to executive making
    decision. Basically MVT storage management was so bad that region sizes frequently had to be specified four times larger than used. As a result
    typical 1mbyte 370/165 only ran four regions concurrently, insufficient
    to keep processor busy and justified. Moving MVT to 16mbyte virtual
    memory (similar to running MVT in CP67 16mbyte virtual machine) allowed
    number of concurrently running regions to be increased by factor of four
    with little or no paging. Archived 2011 afc post with pieces of email
    exchange
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73

    Science center had joint project with Endicott to enhance CP67 virtual
    machine support to support 370 virtual memory architecture ... and then
    modify CP67 to run with 370 virtual memory (instead of 360/67 virtual
    memory). My CP67L ran on the real 360/67, CP67H ran in virtual 360/67 (supporting 370 virtual machines), CP67I ran in virtual 370 (extra layer
    not running CP67H on real hardware was because Cambridge system also had professors, staff and students using the system, and wanted extra
    security layer preventing unannounced virtual memory from leaking). This
    was in regular use a year before before the 370 hardware (engineering
    370/145) was operational with virtual memory support (and CP67I was used
    for testing real hardware). Then three people from San Jose added 3330
    and 2305 device support for "CP67SJ" (sometimes cp370) ... which was in production use on internal 370 machines long before (and after) VM/370 operational.

    In the morph from CP67->VM370, lots of CP67 features were dropped and/or simplified. I then spent parts of 1974, adding CP67 (initially) into
    VM/370 for CSC/VM (aka after joining IBM one of my hobbies was
    production operating systems for internal datacenters). I would sometime
    needle the MULTICS people on the 5th flr that at some point, I was
    supporting more CSC/VM production internal systems than the total number
    of MULTICS systems that ever existed (aka some of the MIT CTSS/7094
    people went to 5th flr to do MULTICS, others went to the science center
    on 4th flr and did internal network, virtual machine, invented)

    science center posts
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

    some recent posts mentioning CP67L, CP67H, CP67I, CP67SJ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2023e.html#44 IBM 360/65 & 360/67 Multiprocessors http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2023d.html#98 IBM DASD, Virtual Memory http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2023.html#74 IBM 4341 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2023.html#71 IBM 4341 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022h.html#22 370 virtual memory http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022e.html#94 Enhanced Production Operating Systems http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022e.html#80 IBM Quota http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022d.html#59 CMS OS/360 Simulation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022.html#55 Precursor to current virtual machines and containers
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022.html#12 Programming Skills http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2021k.html#23 MS/DOS for IBM/PC http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2021g.html#34 IBM Fan-fold cards http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2021g.html#6 IBM 370 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2021d.html#39 IBM 370/155 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2021c.html#5 Z/VM

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  • From D.J.@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Sep 16 02:23:56 2023
    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:05:58 -1000, Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
    wrote:

    Amdahl guote about design of 360 (from facebook group)

    He said they identified at all the companies that had the recourses to
    pay them lots of money. Then they went to these companies and asked
    them what products/programs they would pay big money for. They
    designed these programs and identified common services they all relied
    upon and designed those services. Then they designed an OS that would
    well support those services and programs. Then they designed a
    customer support system. Then they designed the hardware to support
    the OS, services, programs, and customer support.

    Aha ! Lock those customers into software and hardware they need.
    --
    Jim

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Sep 16 02:39:34 2023
    On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 11:23:56 -0500
    D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:05:58 -1000, Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
    wrote:

    Amdahl guote about design of 360 (from facebook group)

    He said they identified at all the companies that had the recourses to
    pay them lots of money. Then they went to these companies and asked
    them what products/programs they would pay big money for. They

    Wow! Now that's commercialism at its purest.

    designed these programs and identified common services they all relied
    upon and designed those services. Then they designed an OS that would
    well support those services and programs. Then they designed a
    customer support system. Then they designed the hardware to support
    the OS, services, programs, and customer support.

    They used the old system analyst's rulebook - clever!

    1: Work out what the business needs to do
    2: Decide what software can be used to support it
    3: Pick hardware and OS to support that software

    Aha ! Lock those customers into software and hardware they need.

    IBM always were primarily about selling services (design,
    support ...) the hardware and software were just the means to an end.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
    Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
    Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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