I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC,
Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class
of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more bizarre.
Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC,
Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class
of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.
The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little system
once you decoded the manual and found the actual instruction set.
E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of the move instruction.
When you reclassified things by op code value and what they did
you found a more or classic load register, store register, and
memory to memory move.
It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
look like a z80.
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more bizarre.
Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC, >> Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class >> of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.
The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little system
once you decoded the manual and found the actual instruction set.
E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of the move instruction.
When you reclassified things by op code value and what they did
you found a more or classic load register, store register, and
memory to memory move.
It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
look like a z80.
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more bizarre.
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:55:45 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
It was a year ago, but never mind!
I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC, >> >> Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class >> >> of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.
The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little system
once you decoded the manual and found the actual instruction set.
E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of the move instruction.
When you reclassified things by op code value and what they did
you found a more or classic load register, store register, and
memory to memory move.
It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
look like a z80.
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more >> bizarre.
Tried doing any ARM asm? [I haven't]
On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more >> bizarre.
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16- >>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more >>> bizarre.
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
"Division is futile. You will be approximated."
Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
competition.
On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16- >>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more >>> bizarre.
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
"Division is futile. You will be approximated."
Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
competition.
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16- >>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more >>>> bizarre.
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
"Division is futile. You will be approximated."
Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
competition.
Although that is factually incorrect. NT was a completely
new operating system (with a stark resemblence to VMS).
Personally, I've managed to avoid windows entirely.
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the
Mot 16- and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel
chips just got more bizarre.
Tried doing any ARM asm? [I haven't]
On 2023-11-03 16:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16- >>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more >>>> bizarre.
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
"Division is futile. You will be approximated."
Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
competition.
<applause>
On 2023-11-04, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2023-11-03 16:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16- >>>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
bizarre.
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
"Division is futile. You will be approximated."
Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
competition.
<applause>
Thanks. And no, I haven't forgotten you; those Amigas are
sitting on my desk, waiting for me to find time to go over
them and get them ready to ship.
On 2023-11-04, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2023-11-03 16:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16- >>>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
bizarre.
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
"Division is futile. You will be approximated."
Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
competition.
<applause>
Thanks. And no, I haven't forgotten you; those Amigas are
sitting on my desk, waiting for me to find time to go over
them and get them ready to ship.
Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
"cool".
<https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg>
TonyCooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
"cool".
<https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg>
That looks like the old classic 'Pacman'
I was pretty much forced into it by wanting to be employed.
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:55:45 -0700 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
It was a year ago, but never mind!
I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA
COSMAC, Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the
PIC was in a class of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever
used.
The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little
system once you decoded the manual and found the actual
instruction set. E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of
the move instruction. When you reclassified things by op code
value and what they did you found a more or classic load
register, store register, and memory to memory move.
It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
look like a z80.
IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the
Mot 16- and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel
chips just got more bizarre.
Tried doing any ARM asm? [I haven't]
TonyCooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
"cool".
<https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg>
That looks like the old classic 'Pacman'
Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
"cool".
https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg
TonyCooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> writes:4-17.jpg
Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
"cool".
https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-0
Looks like a Tandy. Has the different colour keys in the right places,
and the rainbowish motif on the body:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TRS-80_Color_Computer_2-64K.jpg
It looks like an odd version of PacMan, as the cylindrical topology
of PacMan was pretty integral to the game, and that's lacking.
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
| I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
Le 18/02/2024 =E0 05:33, Andreas Kohlbach a =E9crit :Halt and Catch Fire
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:=20
=20
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
| I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
Divide and conk out.
=20
On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:24:39 +0000
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 18/02/2024 =E0 05:33, Andreas Kohlbach a =E9crit :Halt and Catch Fire
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:Divide and conk out.
=20
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
| I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. >>=20
=20
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:24:39 +0000
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 18/02/2024 =E0 05:33, Andreas Kohlbach a =E9crit :
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:
Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
Divide and conk out.
Halt and Catch Fire
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