• Back When Geek Humour Was A New Concept To Me ...

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Dec 1 17:13:53 2024
    .... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

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  • From David LaRue@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Dec 1 18:32:43 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in news:vigur1$294sa$3@dont- email.me:

    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?


    I don't have a cspecific memory of one, but my first language was Assembly, then BASIC, and about 60 more languages. The first time I accidentally discovered the equivalent of...

    10 GOTO 10

    was an interesting surprise to myself. My group of nerds all independantly discovered it rather quickly. Nearly all languages can do this.

    About a year later on our school's call-in timeshare system I wrote a small BASIC program to create a short file, delete it, then create a slightly
    larger file, delete it, and so on with random short lengths. It quickly fragmented the main disk with deleted files that the sysop had to run a process to defrag the disk and reclaim space so a file could be created
    again.

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  • From songbird@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Dec 1 22:11:39 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?


    this was very juvenile but it was funny:

    IBM
    UBM
    WE ALL BM
    FOR IBM


    it is probably older than i am...


    songbird

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 00:13:53 2024
    On 2024-12-01 12:11, songbird wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?


    this was very juvenile but it was funny:

    IBM
    UBM
    WE ALL BM
    FOR IBM


    it is probably older than i am...

    I'm afraid I don't understand any of the two. English is not my first language.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 02:58:06 2024
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
    On 2024-12-01 12:11, songbird wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?


    this was very juvenile but it was funny:

    IBM
    UBM
    WE ALL BM
    FOR IBM


    it is probably older than i am...

    I'm afraid I don't understand any of the two. English is not my first >language.

    "BM" in this instance is scatalogical - it means "Bowel Movement".


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  • From songbird@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 02:55:31 2024
    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    ....
    I'm afraid I don't understand any of the two. English is not my first language.

    BM is short for bowel movement (aka taking a poop).

    IBM is a computer company.

    it was a juvenile play on words.


    songbird

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  • From Grant Taylor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 03:37:30 2024
    On 12/1/24 00:13, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    I don't know about the earliest, but here are a few that I've known for
    a LONG time.

    - Who is General Failure and why is he trying to read my drive C:?

    A TRS-80 family lineage joke a friend of mine used to say:

    - Shut 'er down Scottie, she's sucking mud!

    Context is Xenix (?) on a Z80 based Tandy Radio Shack computer which
    supported multiple systems in a cluster of sorts before clustering was
    known.

    Finally a LONG favored of mine:

    Microsoft Windows
    - A 32-bit hack
    - on a 16-bit patch
    - for an 8-bit OS
    - designed for a 4-bit processor
    - by a 2-bit company
    - that can't stand 1-bit of competition

    I've prefaced it "a 64-bit flop of ..." in recent years.

    As a bonus:

    - <1st person>Microsoft Works<2nd person interrupts> NO IT DOESN'T!!!



    --
    Grant. . . .

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 05:49:56 2024
    On 2024-12-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    Back in the mainframe days, there were long lists of
    bogus macine instructions, e.g.

    Rewind and Break Tape
    Execute Operator
    Branch on Burned-Out Indicator
    Reverse Drum Immediate

    Et cetera.

    I came up with a little song for the Intel era:

    8080 One little
    8085 Two little
    8086 Three little-endians
    8088 Four little
    80186 Five little
    80188 Six little-endians
    80286 Seven little
    80386 Eight little
    80486 Nine little-endians
    Pentium SYSTEM FAULT

    I am Pentium of Borg.
    Division is futile.
    You will be approximated.

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 06:29:47 2024
    On 2024-12-01 19:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2024-12-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    Back in the mainframe days, there were long lists of
    bogus macine instructions, e.g.

    Rewind and Break Tape
    Execute Operator
    Branch on Burned-Out Indicator
    Reverse Drum Immediate

    Halt and catch fire.

    ....

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 06:26:30 2024
    On 2024-12-01 16:58, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
    On 2024-12-01 12:11, songbird wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?


    this was very juvenile but it was funny:

    IBM
    UBM
    WE ALL BM
    FOR IBM


    it is probably older than i am...

    I'm afraid I don't understand any of the two. English is not my first
    language.

    "BM" in this instance is scatalogical - it means "Bowel Movement".


    We had our own local joke with IBM. "Trabajo en IBM" ie, I work at IBM.
    Then they would expand: "Y beme pa'c, y beme pa'll" And you come here,
    and you go there.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 06:54:31 2024
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
    On 2024-12-01 19:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2024-12-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    Back in the mainframe days, there were long lists of
    bogus macine instructions, e.g.

    Rewind and Break Tape
    Execute Operator
    Branch on Burned-Out Indicator
    Reverse Drum Immediate

    Halt and catch fire.

    Punch Operator.


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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 07:49:46 2024
    On Sun, 01 Dec 2024 18:49:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    Back in the mainframe days, there were long lists of bogus macine instructions, e.g.

    Rewind and Break Tape
    Execute Operator
    Branch on Burned-Out Indicator
    Reverse Drum Immediate

    And a real one, from PowerPC, possibly POWER as well: “EIEIO”, “Enforce In-Order Execution of I/O”.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 07:52:25 2024
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:37:30 -0600, Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 12/1/24 00:13, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    I don't know about the earliest, but here are a few that I've known for
    a LONG time.

    - Who is General Failure and why is he trying to read my drive C:?

    Not sure which OS had the error message “bad device or file name” if it could not find the file you were looking for. The natural addition was
    “Bad device or file name. Bad, bad, bad.”

    - <1st person>Microsoft Works<2nd person interrupts> NO IT DOESN'T!!!

    I remember the Macintosh version would break every time Apple brought out
    a new Mac model or even a new OS version. Every ... single ... time.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 08:09:59 2024
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:52:25 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

    Not sure which OS had the error message “bad device or file name” if it could not find the file you were looking for. The natural addition was
    “Bad device or file name. Bad, bad, bad.”

    I remember a bit more now: it was “Bad command or filename. Bad, bad, bad.”

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 08:17:05 2024
    In the early days of Wired magazine, they were selling T-shirts, and one design in particular (being a Mac fanatic at the time) appealed to me: it
    was closely based on the Macintosh menu design style, complete with its
    use of the “Chicago” system font. The text looked like

    File
    Open → Your Mind
    Close → Your Mouth

    I still have that T-shirt tucked away somewhere, though unfortunately it
    has become too decrepit to continue using.

    And would you believe, I was able to find that exact same image online,
    only used as a poster, not on a T-shirt: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/philgyford/3040078285>.

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  • From John Levine@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 08:36:23 2024
    According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:
    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    The Blinkenlights blurb was endlessly photocopied and posted on
    computer room doors and windows starting in the late 1950s. It was
    usually in a fake gothic font:

    ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS!

    Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken und
    mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk,
    blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht
    fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken
    sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets
    muss; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.

    I probably first saw it somewhere in the Princeton computer center
    in about 1968 when it was already quite old.

    https://foldoc.org/blinkenlights
    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From Lars Poulsen@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 08:56:03 2024
    On 2024-12-01, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    I'm afraid I don't understand any of the two. English is not my first language.

    A very common first grade book to teach reaing to American children
    begins with a picture of a small dog, and then the text:

    See Spot
    See Spot run
    Run, Spot, run
    Run, run, run!

    (Spot is a common "generic" name for a dog.)

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 10:19:20 2024
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 21:56:03 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

    See Spot run ...

    Which immediately brought to mind that episode of “Family Guy” where the FCC censors Peter Griffin’s farts with Steven Wright jokes.

    “I spilled spot remover on my dog, and now he’s gone.”

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 10:21:43 2024
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 21:36:23 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    The Blinkenlights blurb was endlessly photocopied and posted on computer
    room doors and windows starting in the late 1950s.

    Ah yes. I remember that. You’d see it in every computer room, just about.

    Remember that early case, of a computer malfunction that was traced down
    to a dead moth caught in a circuit or some such? (I think Grace Hopper
    might have been involved in tracking that down.) The actual bug was
    sellotaped in the log book next to the report about the error and the fix
    -- the earliest known case of a literal computer “bug”.

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  • From Niklas Karlsson@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 10:31:23 2024
    On 2024-12-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Not sure which OS had the error message “bad device or file name” if it could not find the file you were looking for. The natural addition was
    “Bad device or file name. Bad, bad, bad.”

    I don't know about "device", but "Bad command or file name" is from
    MS-DOS.

    Niklas
    --
    The [Boston Computer Museum] used to be in the same building at the
    Boston Children's Museum. I never went in there, as I figured the
    displays of children from various times might be kind of gruesome.
    -- Howard S. Shubs

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 12:38:23 2024
    On 2024-12-02 00:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 21:36:23 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    The Blinkenlights blurb was endlessly photocopied and posted on computer
    room doors and windows starting in the late 1950s.

    Ah yes. I remember that. You’d see it in every computer room, just about.

    Remember that early case, of a computer malfunction that was traced down
    to a dead moth caught in a circuit or some such? (I think Grace Hopper
    might have been involved in tracking that down.) The actual bug was sellotaped in the log book next to the report about the error and the fix
    -- the earliest known case of a literal computer “bug”.

    I remember reading about the bug, either in the contacts of a vacuum valve/tube, or in the contact of a relais. The thing sellotaped is new
    to me. I guess the actual history has gone around a lot and the facts
    are fuzzy by now :-)

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From John Levine@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 13:06:03 2024
    According to Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>:
    Remember that early case, of a computer malfunction that was traced down
    to a dead moth caught in a circuit or some such? (I think Grace Hopper
    might have been involved in tracking that down.) The actual bug was
    sellotaped in the log book next to the report about the error and the fix
    -- the earliest known case of a literal computer “bug”.

    It was the Harvard Mark II, which was mostly electromechanical. The
    log book with the moth taped to a page is in the Smithsonian. Here's
    a picture of it:

    https://daily.jstor.org/the-bug-in-the-computer-bug-story/

    The word "bug" for a flaw in the equipment goes way back. Thomas
    Edison used it in the 1800s.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From Lars Poulsen@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 14:14:52 2024
    On 2024-12-02, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-12-02 00:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 21:36:23 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    The Blinkenlights blurb was endlessly photocopied and posted on computer >>> room doors and windows starting in the late 1950s.

    Ah yes. I remember that. You’d see it in every computer room, just about. >>
    Remember that early case, of a computer malfunction that was traced down
    to a dead moth caught in a circuit or some such? (I think Grace Hopper
    might have been involved in tracking that down.) The actual bug was
    sellotaped in the log book next to the report about the error and the fix
    -- the earliest known case of a literal computer “bug”.

    I remember reading about the bug, either in the contacts of a vacuum valve/tube, or in the contact of a relais. The thing sellotaped is new
    to me. I guess the actual history has gone around a lot and the facts
    are fuzzy by now :-)

    As I remember it, Cdr Hopper describes the incident in her memoir (which
    I have not read). But the ComputerWorld article is probably the better
    story. AtlasObscura has a photo of the logbook page, which is at the Smithsonian.

    https://daily.jstor.org/the-bug-in-the-computer-bug-story/ https://sciencenotes.org/september-9-today-science-history-first-computer-bug/ https://www.computerworld.com/article/1537941/moth-in-the-machine-debugging-the-origins-of-bug.html
    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/grace-hoppers-bug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 18:59:41 2024
    Back in the days when the main computer at the University where I was
    studying was a PDP-11/70 running the DEC RSTS/E operating system, there
    was a powerful, if cryptic, command-driven text editor called TECO.

    This was installed so that it could be invoked via either of two commands:

    TECO filename

    to open the existing file filename before starting the editing session,
    or

    MAKE filename

    to create a new file named filename, and open it before starting the
    editing session.

    Or you could just type the “TECO” command without any filename to start the editor without pre-opening any files.

    The startup sequence that interpreted the command line was itself written
    in TECO. And it had a little Easter egg in it. If you typed the command

    MAKE LOVE

    then it would print the message “Not war?” before creating and opening the file named LOVE as directed.

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  • From vallor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 19:51:42 2024
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:29:47 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2024-12-01 19:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2024-12-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    Back in the mainframe days, there were long lists of
    bogus macine instructions, e.g.

    Rewind and Break Tape
    Execute Operator
    Branch on Burned-Out Indicator
    Reverse Drum Immediate

    Halt and catch fire.

    ...

    In linux-6.12.1/drivers/char/lp.c:

    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);

    --
    -Scott System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
    OS: Linux 6.11.10 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
    "It's smart to pick your friends, but not to pieces."

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 23:31:57 2024
    On 2024-12-02 09:51, vallor wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:29:47 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2024-12-01 19:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2024-12-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    Back in the mainframe days, there were long lists of
    bogus macine instructions, e.g.

    Rewind and Break Tape
    Execute Operator
    Branch on Burned-Out Indicator
    Reverse Drum Immediate

    Halt and catch fire.

    ...

    In linux-6.12.1/drivers/char/lp.c:

    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);

    Wow :-)

    How would the kernel know?

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 2 23:35:04 2024
    On 2024-12-02 03:06, John Levine wrote:
    According to Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>:
    Remember that early case, of a computer malfunction that was traced down >>> to a dead moth caught in a circuit or some such? (I think Grace Hopper
    might have been involved in tracking that down.) The actual bug was
    sellotaped in the log book next to the report about the error and the fix >>> -- the earliest known case of a literal computer “bug”.

    It was the Harvard Mark II, which was mostly electromechanical. The
    log book with the moth taped to a page is in the Smithsonian. Here's
    a picture of it:

    https://daily.jstor.org/the-bug-in-the-computer-bug-story/

    Ah, good to know :-)


    The word "bug" for a flaw in the equipment goes way back. Thomas
    Edison used it in the 1800s.

    Heh, the log says "moth" :-)





    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Bob Eager@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 00:17:31 2024
    On Mon, 02 Dec 2024 13:31:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    In linux-6.12.1/drivers/char/lp.c:

    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);

    Wow :-)

    How would the kernel know?

    Reminds me of this; true, I was there when it happened. And I worked on
    the supervisor.

    When the University of Kent's ICL 2960 mainframe was installed, it came
    with a site engineer. For quite a while, one of these was someone who was
    a Kent graduate. He was somewhat of a 'company man', and was not keen when
    we abandoned the VME/K operating system in favour of EMAS (from the
    University of Edinburgh).

    I managed EMAS; it had a novel way of handling filestore and (for the
    purposes of this story) peripherals such as printers. These were managed
    via a Spooler process, which handled all of the exception conditions,
    farmed out to it by the actual supervisor. Whoever wrote the code at
    Edinburgh had been a little obsessive about detailed error messages - a
    good thing, and possible because all of the messages were inside a paged process.

    One day, we saw a message we had never seen before. I forget the exact
    text, but it indicated that a particular fuse had blown in the printer.
    Edit: I just reviewed the source code; it was "Hammer Driver Fuse Blown".
    We duly called the engineer from his room. He looked at the message, and
    shook his head, stating that no such fuse existed and "our" system was
    wrong.

    We pressed him on this, and after casting his eye over the defunct printer
    he retired to his office and manuals. He returned a few minutes later,
    bearing a fuse. He silently opened a small panel in the printer casing,
    and changed the fuse.

    --
    Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

    Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
    http://www.mirrorservice.org

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 02:54:46 2024
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
    On 2024-12-02 00:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 21:36:23 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    The Blinkenlights blurb was endlessly photocopied and posted on computer >>> room doors and windows starting in the late 1950s.

    Ah yes. I remember that. You’d see it in every computer room, just about. >>
    Remember that early case, of a computer malfunction that was traced down
    to a dead moth caught in a circuit or some such? (I think Grace Hopper
    might have been involved in tracking that down.) The actual bug was
    sellotaped in the log book next to the report about the error and the fix
    -- the earliest known case of a literal computer “bug”.

    I remember reading about the bug, either in the contacts of a vacuum >valve/tube, or in the contact of a relais. The thing sellotaped is new
    to me. I guess the actual history has gone around a lot and the facts
    are fuzzy by now :-)

    The admiral recounted the incident in her speech at the 1980 ACM conference.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 07:08:17 2024
    On 2024-12-02 14:17, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Mon, 02 Dec 2024 13:31:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    In linux-6.12.1/drivers/char/lp.c:

    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);

    Wow :-)

    How would the kernel know?

    Reminds me of this; true, I was there when it happened. And I worked on
    the supervisor.

    When the University of Kent's ICL 2960 mainframe was installed, it came
    with a site engineer. For quite a while, one of these was someone who was
    a Kent graduate. He was somewhat of a 'company man', and was not keen when
    we abandoned the VME/K operating system in favour of EMAS (from the University of Edinburgh).

    I managed EMAS; it had a novel way of handling filestore and (for the purposes of this story) peripherals such as printers. These were managed
    via a Spooler process, which handled all of the exception conditions,
    farmed out to it by the actual supervisor. Whoever wrote the code at Edinburgh had been a little obsessive about detailed error messages - a
    good thing, and possible because all of the messages were inside a paged process.

    One day, we saw a message we had never seen before. I forget the exact
    text, but it indicated that a particular fuse had blown in the printer.
    Edit: I just reviewed the source code; it was "Hammer Driver Fuse Blown".
    We duly called the engineer from his room. He looked at the message, and shook his head, stating that no such fuse existed and "our" system was
    wrong.

    We pressed him on this, and after casting his eye over the defunct printer
    he retired to his office and manuals. He returned a few minutes later, bearing a fuse. He silently opened a small panel in the printer casing,
    and changed the fuse.

    :-))


    I have no trouble imagining big machines knowing such things (because I
    worked with one and it knew it all, including a fire (it was in the
    manual)). But the Linux kernel, that runs on PCs? How would it know a
    home printer is on fire? Of course, I can be mistaken, and the printers
    are designed to tell such a thing back to the printer. But the original printer protocol on PCs was unidirectional.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 07:53:16 2024
    On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 13:31:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2024-12-02 09:51, vallor wrote:

    In linux-6.12.1/drivers/char/lp.c:

    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);

    Wow :-)

    How would the kernel know?

    Here’s the code in context:

    static int lp_check_status(int minor)
    {
    int error = 0;
    unsigned int last = lp_table[minor].last_error;
    unsigned char status = r_str(minor);
    if ((status & LP_PERRORP) && !(LP_F(minor) & LP_CAREFUL))
    /* No error. */
    last = 0;
    else if ((status & LP_POUTPA)) {
    if (last != LP_POUTPA) {
    last = LP_POUTPA;
    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d out of paper\n", minor);
    }
    error = -ENOSPC;
    } else if (!(status & LP_PSELECD)) {
    if (last != LP_PSELECD) {
    last = LP_PSELECD;
    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d off-line\n", minor);
    }
    error = -EIO;
    } else if (!(status & LP_PERRORP)) {
    if (last != LP_PERRORP) {
    last = LP_PERRORP;
    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);
    }
    error = -EIO;
    } else {
    last = 0; /* Come here if LP_CAREFUL is set and no
    errors are reported. */
    }

    lp_table[minor].last_error = last;

    if (last != 0)
    lp_error(minor);

    return error;
    }

    taken from
    <https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.12.1/source/drivers/char/lp.c>.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 08:01:49 2024
    Following on from the pioneering ENIAC (the “Electronic Numerical
    Integrator And Computer”), there was a fashion for a while for giving
    those early big, room-filling machines names ending with “AC”, typically standing for “Automatic Computer”. For example, EDVAC, EDSAC, UNIVAC, JOHNNIAC, BINAC, ILLIAC ... and, inevitably, MANIAC <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vacuum-tube_computers>.

    But how would you pronounce “CSIRAC”?

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  • From Rich Alderson@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 08:31:13 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    Back in the days when the main computer at the University where I was studying was a PDP-11/70 running the DEC RSTS/E operating system, there
    was a powerful, if cryptic, command-driven text editor called TECO.

    This was installed so that it could be invoked via either of two commands:

    TECO «filename»

    I don't know what you typed to get them, but the characters around "filename" are Arabic letters.

    to open the existing file «filename» before starting the editing session, or

    MAKE «filename»

    to create a new file named «filename», and open it before starting the editing session.

    Or you could just type the "TECO" command without any filename to start
    the editor without pre-opening any files.

    The startup sequence that interpreted the command line was itself written
    in TECO. And it had a little Easter egg in it. If you typed the command

    MAKE LOVE

    then it would print the message "Not war?" before creating and opening the file named LOVE as directed.

    This particular joke originated at the Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (on the PDP-6) and was ported to DEC versions of TECO.

    --
    Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
    Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
    omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
    --Galen

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 08:46:35 2024
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
    On 2024-12-02 14:17, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Mon, 02 Dec 2024 13:31:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    In linux-6.12.1/drivers/char/lp.c:

    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);

    Wow :-)

    How would the kernel know?

    Reminds me of this; true, I was there when it happened. And I worked on
    the supervisor.

    When the University of Kent's ICL 2960 mainframe was installed, it came
    with a site engineer. For quite a while, one of these was someone who was
    a Kent graduate. He was somewhat of a 'company man', and was not keen when >> we abandoned the VME/K operating system in favour of EMAS (from the
    University of Edinburgh).

    I managed EMAS; it had a novel way of handling filestore and (for the
    purposes of this story) peripherals such as printers. These were managed
    via a Spooler process, which handled all of the exception conditions,
    farmed out to it by the actual supervisor. Whoever wrote the code at
    Edinburgh had been a little obsessive about detailed error messages - a
    good thing, and possible because all of the messages were inside a paged
    process.

    One day, we saw a message we had never seen before. I forget the exact
    text, but it indicated that a particular fuse had blown in the printer.
    Edit: I just reviewed the source code; it was "Hammer Driver Fuse Blown".
    We duly called the engineer from his room. He looked at the message, and
    shook his head, stating that no such fuse existed and "our" system was
    wrong.

    We pressed him on this, and after casting his eye over the defunct printer >> he retired to his office and manuals. He returned a few minutes later,
    bearing a fuse. He silently opened a small panel in the printer casing,
    and changed the fuse.

    :-))


    I have no trouble imagining big machines knowing such things (because I >worked with one and it knew it all, including a fire (it was in the >manual)). But the Linux kernel, that runs on PCs? How would it know a
    home printer is on fire? Of course, I can be mistaken, and the printers
    are designed to tell such a thing back to the printer. But the original >printer protocol on PCs was unidirectional.

    "Data" was unidirectional. There were bidirectional status pins (4) on the original Centronix interface. HP redefined those into a 4-bit field for
    up to 16 status codes.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 09:01:16 2024
    On 2024-12-02 22:31, Rich Alderson wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    Back in the days when the main computer at the University where I was
    studying was a PDP-11/70 running the DEC RSTS/E operating system, there
    was a powerful, if cryptic, command-driven text editor called TECO.

    This was installed so that it could be invoked via either of two commands:

    TECO filename

    I don't know what you typed to get them, but the characters around "filename" are Arabic letters.

    Huh. Here they are standard quote symbols. . I have them on [AltGr] +
    Z or X

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

    says they are called “Guillemets”


    There is a long summary table listing the primary and secondary quote
    symbols on many languages.


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Lynn Wheeler@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 11:14:31 2024

    I (and others) keynote at NASA/CMU Dependable Computing workshop https://web.archive.org/web/20011004023230/http://www.hdcc.cs.cmu.edu/may01/index.html

    When I first transfer out to SJR in 2nd half of 70s, I get to wander
    around IBM (and other) datacenters, including disk bldg14/enginneering
    and bldg15/product-test across the street. They were running 7x24, prescheduled, stand alone testing and mentioned that they had recently
    tried MVS ... but it had 15min MTBF (in that environment), requiring
    re-ipl. I offer to rewrite I/O supervisor to make it bullet proof and
    never fail so they could do any amount of on-demand, concurrent testing, greatly improving productivity (downside was that they wanted me to increasingly spend time playing disk engineer). I do an internal
    research report about "I/O integrity" and happen to mention the MVS
    15min MTBF. I then get a call from the MVS group, I thot that they
    wanted help in improving MVS integrity ... but it seems they wanted to
    get me fired for (internally) disclosing their problems.

    1980, IBM STL was bursting at the seams and they were moving 300
    (people&3270s from IMS DBMS group) to offsite bldg with dataprocessing
    back to STL datacenter ... they had tried "remote" 3270 support and
    found the human factors unacceptable. I get con'ed into doing "channel extender" support so they can place channel attached 3270 controllers at
    the off-site bldg with no perceptable difference in the human factors
    offsite and in STL. The vendor then tries to get IBM to release my
    support but there is group in POK that get it vetoed (they were playing
    with some serial stuff and afraid that if it was in the market, it would
    make it difficult to releasing their stuff). The vendor then replicates
    my implementation.

    Role forward to 1986 and 3090 product administrator tracks me done. https://web.archive.org/web/20230719145910/https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PP3090.html

    There was an industry service that collected customer mainframe EREP
    (detailed error reporting) data and generated periodic summaries. The
    3090 engineers had designed the I/O channels predicting there would be a maximum aggregate of 4-5 "channel errors" across all customer 3090 installations per year ... but the industry summary reported total
    aggregate of 20 channel errors for 3090s first year.

    It turned out for certain types of channel-extender transmission errors,
    I had selected simulating "channel error" in order to invoke channel
    program retry (in error recovery) ... and the extra 15 had come from
    customers running the channel-extender support. I did a little research (various different kernel software) and found simulating IFCC (interface control check) would effectively perform the same kinds of channel
    program retry (and got the vendor to change their implementation from
    "CC" to "IFCC").

    --
    virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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  • From vallor@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 19:09:25 2024
    On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 21:08:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2024-12-02 14:17, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Mon, 02 Dec 2024 13:31:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    In linux-6.12.1/drivers/char/lp.c:

    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);

    Wow :-)

    How would the kernel know?

    Reminds me of this; true, I was there when it happened. And I worked on
    the supervisor.

    When the University of Kent's ICL 2960 mainframe was installed, it came
    with a site engineer. For quite a while, one of these was someone who was
    a Kent graduate. He was somewhat of a 'company man', and was not keen when >> we abandoned the VME/K operating system in favour of EMAS (from the
    University of Edinburgh).

    I managed EMAS; it had a novel way of handling filestore and (for the
    purposes of this story) peripherals such as printers. These were managed
    via a Spooler process, which handled all of the exception conditions,
    farmed out to it by the actual supervisor. Whoever wrote the code at
    Edinburgh had been a little obsessive about detailed error messages - a
    good thing, and possible because all of the messages were inside a paged
    process.

    One day, we saw a message we had never seen before. I forget the exact
    text, but it indicated that a particular fuse had blown in the printer.
    Edit: I just reviewed the source code; it was "Hammer Driver Fuse Blown".
    We duly called the engineer from his room. He looked at the message, and
    shook his head, stating that no such fuse existed and "our" system was
    wrong.

    We pressed him on this, and after casting his eye over the defunct printer >> he retired to his office and manuals. He returned a few minutes later,
    bearing a fuse. He silently opened a small panel in the printer casing,
    and changed the fuse.

    :-))


    I have no trouble imagining big machines knowing such things (because I worked with one and it knew it all, including a fire (it was in the manual)). But the Linux kernel, that runs on PCs? How would it know a
    home printer is on fire? Of course, I can be mistaken, and the printers
    are designed to tell such a thing back to the printer. But the original printer protocol on PCs was unidirectional.

    It's just a goofy error message for an IO error with
    the printer.

    --
    -Scott System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
    OS: Linux 6.11.10 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
    "The name is Baud... James Baud."

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  • From Mister Johnson@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Dec 3 20:22:32 2024
    from the BSD man page for tunefs:

    You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 4 00:19:35 2024
    On 2024-12-03 09:09, vallor wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 21:08:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2024-12-02 14:17, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Mon, 02 Dec 2024 13:31:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    In linux-6.12.1/drivers/char/lp.c:

    printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor);

    Wow :-)

    How would the kernel know?

    Reminds me of this; true, I was there when it happened. And I worked on
    the supervisor.

    When the University of Kent's ICL 2960 mainframe was installed, it came
    with a site engineer. For quite a while, one of these was someone who was >>> a Kent graduate. He was somewhat of a 'company man', and was not keen when >>> we abandoned the VME/K operating system in favour of EMAS (from the
    University of Edinburgh).

    I managed EMAS; it had a novel way of handling filestore and (for the
    purposes of this story) peripherals such as printers. These were managed >>> via a Spooler process, which handled all of the exception conditions,
    farmed out to it by the actual supervisor. Whoever wrote the code at
    Edinburgh had been a little obsessive about detailed error messages - a
    good thing, and possible because all of the messages were inside a paged >>> process.

    One day, we saw a message we had never seen before. I forget the exact
    text, but it indicated that a particular fuse had blown in the printer.
    Edit: I just reviewed the source code; it was "Hammer Driver Fuse Blown". >>> We duly called the engineer from his room. He looked at the message, and >>> shook his head, stating that no such fuse existed and "our" system was
    wrong.

    We pressed him on this, and after casting his eye over the defunct printer >>> he retired to his office and manuals. He returned a few minutes later,
    bearing a fuse. He silently opened a small panel in the printer casing,
    and changed the fuse.

    :-))


    I have no trouble imagining big machines knowing such things (because I
    worked with one and it knew it all, including a fire (it was in the
    manual)). But the Linux kernel, that runs on PCs? How would it know a
    home printer is on fire? Of course, I can be mistaken, and the printers
    are designed to tell such a thing back to the printer. But the original
    printer protocol on PCs was unidirectional.

    It's just a goofy error message for an IO error with
    the printer.


    ah.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 4 01:18:10 2024
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    Mister Johnson <root@example.net> writes:
    from the BSD man page for tunefs:

    You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish.

    Borrowed from the title of a REO Speedwagon album...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can_Tune_a_Piano,_but_You_Can%27t_Tuna_Fish


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  • From Lynn Wheeler@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 4 04:58:21 2024
    Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
    I (and others) keynote at NASA/CMU Dependable Computing workshop https://web.archive.org/web/20011004023230/http://www.hdcc.cs.cmu.edu/may01/index.html

    AADS chip mentioned in NASA/CMU dependable workship talk ... more
    here in Assurance panel in trusted computing track at IDF: https://web.archive.org/web/20011109072807/http://www.intel94.com/idf/spr2001/sessiondescription.asp?id=stp%2bs13
    and prototype chips used in NACHA pilot (23july2001) https://web.archive.org/web/20070706004855/http://internetcouncil.nacha.org/News/news.html

    --
    virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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  • From Bob Eager@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 4 09:26:29 2024
    On Tue, 03 Dec 2024 09:22:32 +0000, Mister Johnson wrote:

    from the BSD man page for tunefs:

    You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish.

    Still there in FreebSD.



    --
    Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

    Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
    http://www.mirrorservice.org

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  • From ArseClown32@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 5 08:01:17 2024
    On 1 Dec 2024 at 17:13:53 AEDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    Windows ME

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  • From Grant Taylor@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 5 11:14:21 2024
    On 12/4/24 15:01, ArseClown32 wrote:
    Windows ME

    Windows CE ME NT



    --
    Grant. . . .

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  • From geodandw@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 5 11:56:07 2024
    On 12/4/24 19:14, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/4/24 15:01, ArseClown32 wrote:
    Windows ME

    Windows CE ME NT



    Any version of Windows is a joke.

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  • From David LaRue@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 5 14:00:55 2024
    geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote in news:viqtn7$15mud$1@dont-email.me:

    On 12/4/24 19:14, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/4/24 15:01, ArseClown32 wrote:
    Windows ME

    Windows CE ME NT



    Any version of Windows is a joke.

    Agreed.

    I did DOS 3.3 full screen apps, then moved to a team that tried out the very new OS/2 1.0 and the dozen feet or so of manuals. After OS/2 Warp 4.0 ended
    I was lured to an NT job for double the pay. I still prefer the OS/2
    toolsets to anything Microsoft ever created and for a while kept recreating various incantions of the classes in my Linux work.

    In case you haven't used OS/2 2.1, it was better to NT 3.0 and released years earlier. The last OS/2 app we wrote was ported to NT using the same compiler/toolchain and required only one line to be changed to make it work
    on NT. That was the begining of my multiple application and multiple
    computer projects as reliability and cross site applications were being built everywhere with PCs instead of mainframes.

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  • From Radey Shouman@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 5 15:01:00 2024
    ArseClown32 <john.doe@myemail.invalid> writes:

    On 1 Dec 2024 at 17:13:53 AEDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    ... I came across a T-shirt which read

    C:DOS.
    C:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:DOS:RUN.
    RUN:RUN:RUN.

    What’s your earliest example of geek humour?

    Windows ME


    Windows ME harder
    --


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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 5 17:12:21 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 03:00:55 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote:

    In case you haven't used OS/2 2.1, it was better to NT 3.0 and released
    years earlier.

    That was the victim of, not just one mistake on the part of IBM, but an
    entire litany of incompetence.

    The whole sad saga is chronicled in excruciating detail here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAMT187GWd4>.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Dec 8 00:41:27 2024
    Charlie Gibbs wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2024-12-05, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

    On 12/4/24 15:01, ArseClown32 wrote:

    Windows ME

    Windows CE ME NT

    WinCE

    Windows CF

    --
    Be valiant, but not too venturous.
    Let thy attire be comely, but not costly.
    -- John Lyly

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