Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Think it may have possibilities.
Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being >>of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.
Turn captions on.
And read CC text
https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4
They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
planes leaving Rose bay.
Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.
Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being >>> of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
Rod Speed wrote:
=================
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
** The whole thing is a 100% scam.
If the crude use of models and CGI is not enough to warn you the sheer implausibility of the mad scheme ought to.
" Ye canne break the laws of Physics... "
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
** The whole thing is a 100% scam.
If the crude use of models and CGI is not enough to warn you the sheer implausibility of the mad scheme ought to.
" Ye canne break the laws of Physics... "
They have been FAA approved since last year.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being >>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Did some more poking.
"up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology." <https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
SPEED & EFFICIENCY
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.
Turn captions on.
And read CC text
https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4
They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
planes leaving Rose bay.
Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.
Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?
On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being >>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Did some more poking.
"up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology."
<https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
SPEED & EFFICIENCY
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
On 25/09/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being >>> of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.
Turn captions on.
And read CC text
https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4
They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
planes leaving Rose bay.
Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.
Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?
It's called an Ekranoplan, the Russians tried it years ago.
https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc0NjQ3OTQ2ODM3ODI5Mzkx/how-devastating-is-the-soviet-ekranoplan.jpg
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:Europe/USA is buying them now.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all >>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St KildaThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being >>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
under 2.5 hours.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are >>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having >>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Did some more poking.
"up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology."
<https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
SPEED & EFFICIENCY
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles
which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.
More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
quiet and no pollution.
For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.
<https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg
The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
short hops in the United States in 2026.
Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.
On 25/9/2022 4:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:Europe/USA is buying them now.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all >>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda >>>>>> under 2.5 hours.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by >>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly" >>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are >>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having >>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water. >>>>>
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Did some more poking.
"up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology."
<https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
SPEED & EFFICIENCY
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles
which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.
More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
quiet and no pollution.
For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.
<https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg
The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
short hops in the United States in 2026.
Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range
that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright
Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.
There is one aspect that seems to be ignored, turn around time between >flights, jet aircraft can be turned around quickly but how long to
recharge an electric aircraft's batteries?
One way would be to have exchangeable battery packs that would need to >swapped them between flights.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:59:04 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 4:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:Europe/USA is buying them now.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route >>>>>>>> Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that >>>>>>>> takes
about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers >>>>>>> (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda >>>>>>> under 2.5 hours.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by >>>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly" >>>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there >>>>>> are
too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for >>>>>> having
to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water. >>>>>>
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones. >>>>>
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Did some more poking.
"up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology."
<https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
SPEED & EFFICIENCY
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles
which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.
More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
quiet and no pollution.
For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.
<https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg
The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
short hops in the United States in 2026.
Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range
that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright
Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.
There is one aspect that seems to be ignored, turn around time between
flights, jet aircraft can be turned around quickly but how long to
recharge an electric aircraft's batteries?
One way would be to have exchangeable battery packs that would need to
swapped them between flights.
And that aint gunna work with the plane bouncing around on the water.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:47:29 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd >>>>>>> to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all >>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda >>>>>> under 2.5 hours.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by >>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly" >>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there >>>>> are
too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for
having
to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water. >>>>>
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Did some more poking.
"up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology."
<https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
SPEED & EFFICIENCY
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
Europe/USA is buying them now.
BULLSHIT
The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles
BULLSHIT.
which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.
Pity about the ocean waves.
More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
quiet and no pollution.
Pity about all the boats and ships and ferrys.
For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.
Only between physically adjacent countrys.
<https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg
Just more mindless journo bullshit.
The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
short hops in the United States in 2026.
Those arent sea skimmers, stupid.
Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range
that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright
Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.
Those arent sea skimmers, stupid.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:15:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
Big ships are now going to Botany.
Pity about Newcastle and Melburg.
Pity about the boats, ferrys etc.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph,
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
Pity about the ocean waves.
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Pity about the other end.
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs,
Nof a chance.
yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Pity about the ocean waves.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being >>> of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda˙ under 2.5 hours.
No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a˙ train.
See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Not even possible with ocean waves.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 05:40:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:15:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:read on McDuff. That does not seem a issue in NZ.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all >>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St KildaThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
under 2.5 hours.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are >>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having >>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
Big ships are now going to Botany.
Pity about Newcastle and Melburg.
Pity about the boats, ferrys etc.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph,
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
Pity about the ocean waves.
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Pity about the other end.
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs,
Nof a chance.
yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Pity about the ocean waves.
https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz
TECHNOLOGY
Seagliders make use of the â€wing-in-ground-effect (WIG)’ and have been built to leverage existing port infrastructure. The seagliders begin
their journey with the hull in the water, rising onto foils as the
speed increases before eventually generating lift so that the
seaglider begins to fly in-ground-effect at about 10m above the water.
The aerodynamic advantage of the “ground effect” includes significant operational efficiencies, increased payload capability, greater range
and speed.
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
The efficiency of seagliders means the operational costs are greatly
reduced compared to existing modes of transportation. These savings
will be passed on to the customer meaning travel fares will be up to
70% cheaper, without sacrificing time, comfort or experience.
On 26/9/2022 8:53 am, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 05:40:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:15:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:read on McDuff. That does not seem a issue in NZ.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all >>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda >>>>>> under 2.5 hours.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by >>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly" >>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are >>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having >>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
Big ships are now going to Botany.
Pity about Newcastle and Melburg.
Pity about the boats, ferrys etc.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph,
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
Pity about the ocean waves.
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Pity about the other end.
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs,
Nof a chance.
yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Pity about the ocean waves.
https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz
TECHNOLOGY
Seagliders make use of the ‘wing-in-ground-effect (WIG)’ and have been
built to leverage existing port infrastructure. The seagliders begin
their journey with the hull in the water, rising onto foils as the
speed increases before eventually generating lift so that the
seaglider begins to fly in-ground-effect at about 10m above the water.
The aerodynamic advantage of the “ground effect” includes significant
operational efficiencies, increased payload capability, greater range
and speed.
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
The efficiency of seagliders means the operational costs are greatly
reduced compared to existing modes of transportation. These savings
will be passed on to the customer meaning travel fares will be up to
70% cheaper, without sacrificing time, comfort or experience.
I can imagine some scenarios where such an aircraft would work well but
to suggest that could "fly" Syd to Melb" is just out of the question.
To be safe from waves and large ships it would need to fly at least
100mtrs high then it would be out of ground effect so no advantage over >conventional aircraft.
On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being >>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda˙ under 2.5 hours.
No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a˙ train.
See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you
get near Bass Strait.
See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you
get near Bass Strait.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:00:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 8:53 am, Petzl wrote:Don't know, your field. but one of those backing this is New Zealand
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 05:40:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:15:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:read on McDuff. That does not seem a issue in NZ.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to >>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all >>>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda >>>>>>> under 2.5 hours.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by >>>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly" >>>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are >>>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having >>>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water. >>>>
Pity about Newcastle and Melburg.
Pity about the boats, ferrys etc.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph,
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
yes by seaPity about the ocean waves.
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones. >>>>
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Pity about the other end.
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs,
Nof a chance.
yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Pity about the ocean waves.
https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz
TECHNOLOGY
Seagliders make use of the â€wing-in-ground-effect (WIG)’ and have been >>> built to leverage existing port infrastructure. The seagliders begin
their journey with the hull in the water, rising onto foils as the
speed increases before eventually generating lift so that the
seaglider begins to fly in-ground-effect at about 10m above the water.
The aerodynamic advantage of the “ground effect” includes significant >>> operational efficiencies, increased payload capability, greater range
and speed.
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
The efficiency of seagliders means the operational costs are greatly
reduced compared to existing modes of transportation. These savings
will be passed on to the customer meaning travel fares will be up to
70% cheaper, without sacrificing time, comfort or experience.
I can imagine some scenarios where such an aircraft would work well but
to suggest that could "fly" Syd to Melb" is just out of the question.
To be safe from waves and large ships it would need to fly at least
100mtrs high then it would be out of ground effect so no advantage over
conventional aircraft.
Ex Air Force chief John Hamilton is among the earliest customers.
Auckland and Christchurch it doesn't seem a problem they have more
shipping than Sydney Harbour, a lot of Yachts as well
On 26/9/2022 10:21 am, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:00:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 8:53 am, Petzl wrote:Don't know, your field. but one of those backing this is New Zealand
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 05:40:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:15:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:read on McDuff. That does not seem a issue in NZ.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>>>> about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all >>>>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda >>>>>>>> under 2.5 hours.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by >>>>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly" >>>>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are >>>>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having >>>>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water. >>>>>
Pity about Newcastle and Melburg.
Pity about the boats, ferrys etc.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph,
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
yes by seaPity about the ocean waves.
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones. >>>>>
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late. >>>>>> Not problematic with scheduling
Pity about the other end.
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs,
Nof a chance.
yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Pity about the ocean waves.
https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz
TECHNOLOGY
Seagliders make use of the ‘wing-in-ground-effect (WIG)’ and have been >>>> built to leverage existing port infrastructure. The seagliders begin
their journey with the hull in the water, rising onto foils as the
speed increases before eventually generating lift so that the
seaglider begins to fly in-ground-effect at about 10m above the water. >>>>
The aerodynamic advantage of the “ground effect” includes significant
operational efficiencies, increased payload capability, greater range
and speed.
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
The efficiency of seagliders means the operational costs are greatly
reduced compared to existing modes of transportation. These savings
will be passed on to the customer meaning travel fares will be up to
70% cheaper, without sacrificing time, comfort or experience.
I can imagine some scenarios where such an aircraft would work well but
to suggest that could "fly" Syd to Melb" is just out of the question.
To be safe from waves and large ships it would need to fly at least
100mtrs high then it would be out of ground effect so no advantage over
conventional aircraft.
Ex Air Force chief John Hamilton is among the earliest customers.
Like I said such an aircraft could work well in a certain circumstances, >Syd/Melb just isn't one of those circumstances.
Auckland and Christchurch it doesn't seem a problem they have more
shipping than Sydney Harbour, a lot of Yachts as well
Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
Easy to claim, none of those have actually been built. NOT ONE.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd >>>>>> to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>> about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to >>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train. >>>>>>See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you
get near Bass Strait.
Bad weather a canceled flight.
<https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50%
of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to
1.7 m during winter and spring.
What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:43:52 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
Easy to claim, none of those have actually been built. NOT ONE.
What you call this San Francisco USA video
https://youtu.be/gS-aQ1kCfV8
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:00:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
On 26/9/2022 8:53 am, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 05:40:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:15:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:read on McDuff. That does not seem a issue in NZ.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:Big ships are now going to Botany.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route >>>>>>>> Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that >>>>>>>> takes
about an hour.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers >>>>>>> (allThink it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda >>>>>>> under 2.5 hours.
Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by >>>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly" >>>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because
there are
too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for
having
to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water. >>>>
Pity about Newcastle and Melburg.
Pity about the boats, ferrys etc.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph,
There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
yes by seaPity about the ocean waves.
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones. >>>>
Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling
Pity about the other end.
Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs,
Nof a chance.
yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
Pity about the ocean waves.
˙https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz
TECHNOLOGY
Seagliders make use of the â€wing-in-ground-effect (WIG)’ and have been >>> built to leverage existing port infrastructure. The seagliders begin
their journey with the hull in the water, rising onto foils as the
speed increases before eventually generating lift so that the
seaglider begins to fly in-ground-effect at about 10m above the water.
 The aerodynamic advantage of the “ground effect” includes significant >>> operational efficiencies, increased payload capability, greater range
and speed.
˙Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
˙The efficiency of seagliders means the operational costs are greatly
reduced compared to existing modes of transportation. These savings
will be passed on to the customer meaning travel fares will be up to
70% cheaper, without sacrificing time, comfort or experience.
I can imagine some scenarios where such an aircraft would work well
but to suggest that could "fly" Syd to Melb" is just out of the question.
To be safe from waves and large ships it would need to fly at least
100mtrs high then it would be out of ground effect so no advantage
over conventional aircraft.
And a massive problem with boats and ships at each end of the flight.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd >>>>>>> to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>> about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h? >>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to >>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train. >>>>>>>See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you >>>> get near Bass Strait.
Bad weather a canceled flight.
<https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50%
of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to
1.7 m during winter and spring.
What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
What you call this San Francisco USA video
https://youtu.be/gS-aQ1kCfV8
CGI= Computer generated image
On 26/9/2022 1:00 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:43:52 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
Easy to claim, none of those have actually been built. NOT ONE.
What you call this San Francisco USA video
https://youtu.be/gS-aQ1kCfV8
CGI= Computer generated image
On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd >>>>>>>> to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>>> about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use. >>>>>>
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h? >>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to >>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train. >>>>>>>>See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water. >>>>>>>>
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you >>>>> get near Bass Strait.
Bad weather a canceled flight.
<https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50%
of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to >>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a >constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
controlled auto pilot.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd >>>>>>>>> to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>>>> about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers >>>>>>>
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use. >>>>>>>
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that. >>>>>>>
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h? >>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to >>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train. >>>>>>>>>See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water. >>>>>>>>>
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you >>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
Bad weather a canceled flight.
<https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50% >>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to >>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
controlled auto pilot.
do
These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
They will come under
https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd >>>>>>>>>> to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers >>>>>>>>
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use. >>>>>>>>
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that. >>>>>>>>
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h? >>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to >>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train. >>>>>>>>>>See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water. >>>>>>>>>>
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you >>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
Bad weather a canceled flight.
<https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50% >>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave >>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the >>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to >>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
controlled auto pilot.
do
These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
They will come under
https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an >aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.
On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd >>>>>>>>>> to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes >>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it >>>>>>>>>> being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers >>>>>>>>
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use. >>>>>>>>
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that. >>>>>>>>
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h? >>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to >>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train. >>>>>>>>>>See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water. >>>>>>>>>>
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you >>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
Bad weather a canceled flight.
<https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50% >>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave >>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the >>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to >>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
controlled auto pilot.
do
These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
They will come under
https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an >aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:38:39 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl
<dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:
On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this
Just more mindless sales bullshit.
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the >>>>>>>>>>> route Syd
to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and >>>>>>>>>>> that takes
about an hour.
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
Not when there are decent waves they dont.
Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.Think it may have possibilities.
Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't >>>>>>>>>>> see it
being
of any use on major commuter routes.
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers >>>>>>>>>
(all economy Qantas seat 180)
Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use. >>>>>>>>>
at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda˙ under 2.5 hours. >>>>>>>>>No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that. >>>>>>>>>
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 >>>>>>>>>> km/h?Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) >>>>>>>>>>>> compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a >>>>>>>>>>>> train.
See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water. >>>>>>>>>>>
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Not even possible with ocean waves.
Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs >>>>>>>> when you
get near Bass Strait.
Bad weather a canceled flight.
<https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
˙˙˙˙˙ https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least >>>>>>> 50%
of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave >>>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the >>>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and
returns to
1.7 m during winter and spring.
What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
controlled auto pilot.
do
These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
They will come under
https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an
aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.
No one does it that way with amphibs or flying boats.
Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
"flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
ago but it is far from clear if it actually flow or not. >https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 09:17:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them.Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
"flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
ago but it is far from clear if it actually flew or not.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
So must be good.
Bullshit. It isnt even clear if it is even useful for short trips
like Sydney Newcastle instead of the current aircraft.
--https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
"Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
“spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.
On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 13:41:55 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:40:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 09:17:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them.Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly >>>>>> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they >>>>>> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
ago but it is far from clear if it actually flew or not.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
So must be good.
Bullshit. It isnt even clear if it is even useful for short trips
like Sydney Newcastle instead of the current aircraft.
Distance between Sydney and Griffith is 478 KM / 297.3 miles
30 minutes and $30, to Lake Wyangan from Circular Quay
That fare is straight out of your arse, we can tell from the smell.
You can't even pay for the fuel for a very efficient car with that.
That scam can't even do that trip, it relys on being able
to skim water between the two ends of the flight, stupid.
Lake Wyangan isnt big enough for anything even remotely
like a float plane that can carry 35-90 pax like the SAAB
340Bs and the Dash 8s that do that trip carry.
Circular Quay has FAR more boats and ferrys
to be viable for a float plane that big to fly from.
But might be longer if it has to go through Dubbo this boat only gets
to 50 metres altitude, needs water to take off and land in
But SKIMS THE SEA ALL THE WAY to take advantage
of the ground effect that doesn't even come close to
the massively greater advantage that the SAAB 340Bs
and the Dash 8s get from flying at high altitude.
(might be able to fit wheels?)
Nope. And no point in that steaming turd that hasnt
even flown yet, over the SAAB 340Bs and the Dash 8s.
Both have been paid for long ago now too and so are
MUCH cheaper to operate.
And that scam doesnt even have the battery capacity to
do that range anyway.
--https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
"Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
“spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.
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