• Re: BBS Software Timeout Values

    From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Apr 11 15:53:33 2023
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Kurt Weiske to Sean Dennis on Mon Apr 10 2023 06:58 am

    Sean Dennis wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Sysops freaked out about sharing user info, but I liked the
    telegram-like feel of it. Messaging had gone from multiple day
    round-trips with dial-up star/backbone systems to real-time.

    Why not just use Telegram and leave the middleman out of it?

    Because it was messages, chat, door games, files, and the potential for
    much more - all done in a completely different way than the usual FTN,
    store and forward means.


    you're making it seem like some magical shit.
    the bbses were just sharing the same datafiles.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Apr 11 15:54:46 2023
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Kurt Weiske to Sean Dennis on Mon Apr 10 2023 07:26 am

    Sean Dennis wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Like how nearly every MBBS system in the 90s charged a subscription because the software was so expensive?

    I don't miss the multi-line PCBoard/MBBS/whichever pay systems from the '90s.


    i miss them. what ones were you a member of?
    the ones that metropolous ran were nice.
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Nick Andre on Tue Apr 11 15:27:15 2023
    How are you handling inbound connections on the TBBS instance? Interchange?

    I'm hosting TBBS in DosBox and am using IPX within, and then there's a program that handles the telnet->IPX connection called "tiad-NG". It works well enough :)

    A long time ago I mooched everything off tbbs.org when that site was alive, I just gotta find it amongst boxes of CD-R's, LTO tapes, old IDE drives etc.

    Fun fact... tbbs.org is back! Sorta. For a week or so now. There's a renewed interest there :)

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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Nick Andre on Tue Apr 11 15:28:01 2023
    I was a huge fan of Searchlight as well, as it did Ansi lightbars and
    Rip better than ANY other system... hands down. It was all native, totally amazing. Then there was the Spinnaker web server add-on which
    was neat...

    Well, now I'm curious to check it out...ugh...lol.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Tue Apr 11 15:48:41 2023
    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Nick Andre to Kurt Weiske on Tue Apr 11 2023 02:03 pm

    I was a huge fan of Searchlight as well, as it did Ansi lightbars and Rip better than ANY other system... hands down. It was all native, totally amazing. Then there was the Spinnaker web server add-on which was neat...

    I was co-sysop of Just Say Yes, one of the more popular 415 BBSes. Dr. Strangelove ran lightbar menus on it, and it felt light-years ahead of all of the ASCII BBS menus out there at the time.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Jas Hud on Tue Apr 11 15:49:38 2023
    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Jas Hud to Kurt Weiske on Tue Apr 11 2023 03:52 pm

    i think you're just making things up. you were a member. you should REALLY know instead of pulling shit out of your ass instead by saying "i get the feeling". why is it that i know more about it than you do and i wasn't even a member?

    If anything, you're consistent.
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ryan Fantus on Tue Apr 11 18:46:36 2023
    On 11 Apr 23 15:28:01, Ryan Fantus said the following to Nick Andre:

    I was a huge fan of Searchlight as well, as it did Ansi lightbars and Rip better than ANY other system... hands down. It was all native, totally amazing. Then there was the Spinnaker web server add-on which was neat...

    Well, now I'm curious to check it out...ugh...lol.

    Ha! Down the rabbit hole you go!

    Let me know when you install Spinnaker, and come to find out that you cannot modify the "dynamic webpages" without.... wait for it....... Borland Paradox.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ryan Fantus on Tue Apr 11 18:48:55 2023
    On 11 Apr 23 15:27:15, Ryan Fantus said the following to Nick Andre:

    I'm hosting TBBS in DosBox and am using IPX within, and then there's a prog that handles the telnet->IPX connection called "tiad-NG". It works well eno :)

    Never heard of Tiad-NG, I shall have to add that to the mooch-list.

    If I remember correctly (a phrase I find myself saying a lot in this echo)... it was Interchange required to run DOS doors.

    Fun fact... tbbs.org is back! Sorta. For a week or so now. There's a renew interest there :)

    Saw that! I miss the forums on that site. Many guys who ran the multi-line BBS's were on there with stories to tell.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Apr 11 18:56:57 2023
    On 11 Apr 23 15:48:41, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    I was a huge fan of Searchlight as well, as it did Ansi lightbars and better than ANY other system... hands down. It was all native, totally amazing. Then there was the Spinnaker web server add-on which was neat

    I was co-sysop of Just Say Yes, one of the more popular 415 BBSes. Dr. Strangelove ran lightbar menus on it, and it felt light-years ahead of all the ASCII BBS menus out there at the time.

    We had a board in Net 252, Galaxian... it was constantly busy. You could NEVER get through and when you did, mehhhh he had some "warez" but nothing really special. But for some reason it was a very popular board.

    Someone told me the Sysop would take the phone off-hook on purpose, just to drive people nuts and make it seem it was busier than it really was.

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Apr 11 18:03:13 2023
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Tue Apr 11 2023 03:49 pm

    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Jas Hud to Kurt Weiske on Tue Apr 11 2023 03:52 pm

    i think you're just making things up. you were a member. you should REALLY know instead of pulling shit out of your ass instead by saying "i get the feeling". why is it that i know more about it than you do and i wasn't even a member?


    If anything, you're consistent.

    i could say the exact same thing about you.
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tue Apr 11 20:03:13 2023
    On 11 Apr 23 18:03:13, Jas Hud said the following to Kurt Weiske:

    If anything, you're consistent.

    i could say the exact same thing about you.

    Now now Professor... I'm in Philly next week. I made an open invitation in Z1C for beer and wings at my expense for anyone that wants to meetup in person.

    Oh wait... you missed the memo. You don't have a node number.

    Nick

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Tue Apr 11 19:52:00 2023
    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    i could say the exact same thing about you.

    Now now Professor... I'm in Philly next week. I made an open
    invitation in Z1C for beer and wings at my expense for anyone
    that wants to meetup in person.

    Oh wait... you missed the memo. You don't have a node number.

    He doesn't even have a publicly available BBS.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Wed Apr 12 06:53:00 2023
    Nick Andre wrote to Ryan Fantus <=-

    Let me know when you install Spinnaker, and come to find out that you cannot modify the "dynamic webpages" without.... wait for it....... Borland Paradox.

    I'll put that right next to my Filemaker web server in the dark recesses
    of my mind.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Wed Apr 12 06:56:00 2023
    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Now now Professor... I'm in Philly next week. I made an open invitation
    in Z1C for beer and wings at my expense for anyone that wants to meetup
    in person.

    We should organize a traveling sysops meetup, now that we can't meet at
    a local watering hole. I'm going to be in Boston some time in the next
    few weeks, and maybe Texas again. Who's local?




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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Wed Apr 12 06:56:00 2023
    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Oh wait... you missed the memo. You don't have a node number.

    The first rule of the super-sekrit Zone 1 only echo is that we don't
    talk about the super-sekrit Zone 1 only echo where Zone 2 can read...



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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Apr 12 12:19:06 2023
    On 12 Apr 23 06:53:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    Let me know when you install Spinnaker, and come to find out that you cannot modify the "dynamic webpages" without.... wait for it....... Borland Paradox.

    I'll put that right next to my Filemaker web server in the dark recesses
    of my mind.

    Would those dark recesses also cross into Lotus Notes territory?

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Apr 12 12:24:24 2023
    On 12 Apr 23 06:56:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    We should organize a traveling sysops meetup, now that we can't meet at
    a local watering hole. I'm going to be in Boston some time in the next
    few weeks, and maybe Texas again. Who's local?

    Before Covid happened I was making noise in Region 12 and elsewhere about getting a BBS-con going again, even if it was just a gathering at my place
    or at some sleazy sports bar in Toronto with good wings, beer, darts, pool.

    I had many Sysops reply with interest but never finalized anything unfortunately. Then a few months later came the stay-at-home orders.

    Nick

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Wed Apr 12 10:27:04 2023
    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Nick Andre to Kurt Weiske on Wed Apr 12 2023 12:19 pm

    I'll put that right next to my Filemaker web server in the dark
    recesses of my mind.

    Would those dark recesses also cross into Lotus Notes territory?

    Grr, yes. Lotus Notes and WordPerfect Office/Groupwise, too.
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Wed Apr 12 18:27:00 2023
    Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Let me know when you install Spinnaker, and come to find out that you cannot modify the "dynamic webpages" without.... wait for it....... Borland Paradox.

    I'll put that right next to my Filemaker web server in the dark recesses of my mind.

    Would those dark recesses also cross into Lotus Notes territory?

    Oh. gawd. make it stop.



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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Nick Andre on Wed Apr 12 18:25:09 2023
    Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    And that new Sysop usually vanishes a few months later. Usually with no notice to his Echomail hub either.

    I get that a lot in Micronet though we had some funny "self-destruct" sysops over the years.

    -- Sean

    ... "I never think of the future. It comes soon enough." - A. Einstein
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Jas Hud on Wed Apr 12 18:26:55 2023
    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    well when i was writing that i'm talking about the telnet age, not
    dialup age.

    I knew of several MBBS systems that supported both POTS and telnet in the
    90s.

    during the dialup years, i did subscribe to some of those and it was because they provided internet access when it was crummy in my area.

    My friend started a dialup ISP in the 90s and eventully sold it to Earthlink for a tidy profit.

    - Sean

    ... Press <Ctrl-Alt-Del> now to access the pirate software.
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Jas Hud on Wed Apr 12 18:28:01 2023
    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    he used a bad example. what it was, was the boards all had their data files linked. so same doorgames, msg areas, user files, etc.

    To me that is not anything individulistic but more of a hivemind.

    - Sean

    ... Dragons make great pets. Just put down LOTS of newspaper.
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Apr 12 18:31:18 2023
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Because it was messages, chat, door games, files, and the potential for much more - all done in a completely different way than the usual FTN, store and forward means.

    You could just do that with a good CMS and not bother with a BBS, IMNSHO.

    -- Sean


    ... Why does pizza get to your house faster than the police?
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Apr 12 18:35:33 2023
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Sean Dennis wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    What Jaron Lanier was talking about was a micropayment system where you could compensate content on the web, in payments of fraction of cents
    to sub-dollar amounts on a one-time basis to content creators in an unstructured way - imagine seeing a relevant post on Linkedin and
    having the like button transfer 10 cents to the author. readers forward and share the content. Scale takes care of the rest.

    You'd die in bank processing fees alone. I mean, you could use Paypal for that; why reinvent the wheel? Too many new sysops don't understand that
    things work the way they do for many reasons. Like I said, every five
    years or so, all of this "BBS newthink" crops up and it disappears just as
    fast as it appears.

    What I'd like is people to actually produce proof-of-concept instead of talk but as usual, nothing happens...

    For me, getting everything working on FreeBSD was adventure enough.

    -- Sean

    ... Not tonight, dear. I have a modem.
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Apr 12 18:38:46 2023
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Where running a BBS became more lucrative was at the quarterly (or more often) get-togethers. Many pints of beer and coffee were bought for me which meant more than the subscriptions.

    That I agree with. When I was stationed at Fort Hood from '96-'98, BBSes
    were still quite popular and the weekly regional BBS meetup was so big we'd take over an entire restaurant. Those were indeed halcyon days.

    -- Sean

    ... Are tired Army clothes called fatigues?
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Sean Dennis on Fri Apr 14 06:24:48 2023
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Wed Apr 12 2023 06:26 pm

    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    well when i was writing that i'm talking about the telnet age, not dialup age.

    I knew of several MBBS systems that supported both POTS and telnet in the 90s.


    yeah i did too. i was on metro gameport and the other bbses they owned.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Sean Dennis on Fri Apr 14 06:26:10 2023
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: Re: BBS Software Timeout Values
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Wed Apr 12 2023 06:28 pm

    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    he used a bad example. what it was, was the boards all had their data files linked. so same doorgames, msg areas, user files, etc.

    To me that is not anything individulistic but more of a hivemind.

    well it's something that wasn't very well thought out.
    why have all these bbses when the datafiles are all linked?
    why not have one?

    i'm sure it started as 'hey we can get more users in our doorgames and people don't have to setup msg echos'.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Sean Dennis on Fri Apr 14 06:44:00 2023
    Sean Dennis wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    My friend started a dialup ISP in the 90s and eventully sold it to Earthlink for a tidy profit.

    That would have been a good market to sell in -- the large ISPs were
    clamoring for local points-of-premise in the late 90s when dial-up was
    king.



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