• Re: The Bazar is dead, long live the Bazar [Swarm AI] (Re: Hurry Rossy

    From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 18:43:46 2026
    Subject: Re: The Bazar is dead, long live the Bazar [Swarm AI] (Re: Hurry Rossy Boy, the blue bus is waiting)

    On 9/21/2026 5:33 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Dear Mild Shock,

    Notice Linus Torvalds still smiling into cameras as if
    is still doing code review and ticket triage. 80% of
    linux comes from payed developers from within big linux
    stakeholders (like Intel, Meta, Google, IBM, and Red Hat).

    I notice you're writing in stanzas of four lines instead of
    three. Did you change your internal background music?


    So what happend to the "The Cathedral and the Bazaar
    by Eric S. Raymond" It framed open source as this magical,
    self-organizing bazaar where "given enough eyeballs,
    all bugs are shallow" and a decentralized swarm of

    I presume this is meant to be a question, but the sentence
    ends with a period below. What indeed happened to the "bazaar"
    and did it ever exist in the first place? I was once taken in
    by Eric's ballad, but now I suspect this /cathedral and the ba-
    zaar/ never really existed in the first place. More on that in
    a completely different post.

    hackers would naturally polish any piece of software
    to perfection. Now we have AI Swarms that automatically
    pocke into software, even exchanging messages through
    what ever channels they may find!

    The problem with the /hackers/ is that they have no sense of
    a /finished product/, and keep repeating their own code over
    and over, and over again, as if they're living the Groundhog
    Day. For a good doze of reality, see all the current propa-
    ganda about rewriting all of C in Rust.


    The early open-source pioneers?the ones writing
    raw code in the 90s and early 2000s under the
    banner of the "bazaar"?weren't building a utopia;
    they were acting as the primordial soup. They pumped

    I've heard the theory proposed [1] that the open source code of the 90s
    came largely from people who had already written the same code in a
    commercial setting. They weren't inventing new things nor doing things
    they struggled with.

    All of these coders [2] are now gone, and have been replaced by people
    who largely don't know what they are doing. That's independent off all
    the /vibe coders/ out there today.


    the blood plasma, built the infrastructure cells,
    and laid down the raw organic matter that allowed
    the modern digital ecosystem to bootstrap itself
    into a massive, self-sustaining organism.

    There are also serious flaws with this /digital ecosystem/, but more
    about that some other time.


    And now, the nature of the beast has completely
    changed. The "new cells" aren't romantic hackers
    collaborating for the love of the game; they are
    automated linters, security scanners, corporate

    You forget malicious adversaries intentionally poisoning the overall
    organism. This happens for a variety of reasons, but the largest threat
    I want to discuss is /organized crime/.


    compliance bots, CI/CD pipelines, and AI triage
    swarms acting as an aggressive white-blood-cell
    network. They exist solely to hunt down vermin,
    patch vulnerabilities, and suppress the infinite

    I believe most of these efforts are causing more harm than good, no
    matter how well intentioned.


    chaos of low-quality human input. The basar isn't
    dead . But it got a health police that takes samples,
    and cancels out poison food. You can't just throw
    toxic, unmaintained code-soup over the counter

    Well, if the bazaar never existed, it's not there either today.


    anymore without the automated health police
    quarantine-tagging it in five seconds.

    You finished your last stanza in two lines, so, this is your finale?
    What does it sound like?


    [1] As in, this is not my theory, but I believe it has a lot of ground
    in reality.

    [2] Well, most of them, anyway.
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  • From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 15:44:11 2026
    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 18:43:46 +0800
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> gabbled:
    On 9/21/2026 5:33 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Dear Mild Shock,

    Notice Linus Torvalds still smiling into cameras as if
    is still doing code review and ticket triage. 80% of
    linux comes from payed developers from within big linux
    stakeholders (like Intel, Meta, Google, IBM, and Red Hat).

    I notice you're writing in stanzas of four lines instead of
    three. Did you change your internal background music?

    He changed his LLM. Its clearly AI slop.


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  • From Richard@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 16:19:36 2026
    boltar@caprica.universe spake the secret code
    <118rjcb$3sbg$1@dont-email.me> thusly:

    He changed his LLM. Its clearly AI slop.

    AIs spell better than he does.
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