• Testing (sorry)

    From Grant Edwards@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Feb 18 11:38:04 2024
    Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
    weeks has shown up on the list. I don't know how to troubleshoot this
    other than sending test messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the
    list, then I've gotten it to work...

    --
    Grant


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  • From Grant Edwards@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Feb 18 11:54:01 2024

    Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
    weeks has shown up on the list. I don't know how to troubleshoot this
    other than sending test messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the
    list, then I'm making progress.

    [message 4]
    --
    Grant

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  • From Grant Edwards@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Feb 18 11:45:09 2024
    Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in the past 3
    weeks has shown up on the list. I don't know how to troubleshoot this
    other than by sending test messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the
    list, then I'm making progress...

    [message 3]
    --
    Grant

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  • From Peter J. Holzer@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Feb 19 08:30:34 2024

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    [Replying to the list *and* Grant]

    On 2024-02-17 19:38:04 -0500, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
    weeks has shown up on the list.

    January 29th, AFAICS. And end of december before that.

    I don't know how to troubleshoot this other than sending test
    messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the list, then I've gotten
    it to work...

    This did show up and 3 other test messages with very similar text
    as well.=20

    Also there was a whole flurry of almost but not quite identical messages
    =66rom you in the "nan" thread.

    hp

    --=20
    _ | Peter J. Holzer | Story must make more sense than reality.
    |_|_) | |
    | | | hjp@hjp.at | -- Charles Stross, "Creative writing
    __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | challenge!"

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  • From Alex Kaye@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Feb 19 08:55:44 2024
    We see you Peter

    AK

    On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 2:41=E2=80=AFPM Peter J. Holzer via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote:

    [Replying to the list *and* Grant]

    On 2024-02-17 19:38:04 -0500, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
    weeks has shown up on the list.

    January 29th, AFAICS. And end of december before that.

    I don't know how to troubleshoot this other than sending test
    messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the list, then I've gotten
    it to work...

    This did show up and 3 other test messages with very similar text
    as well.

    Also there was a whole flurry of almost but not quite identical messages
    from you in the "nan" thread.

    hp

    --
    _ | Peter J. Holzer | Story must make more sense than reality.
    |_|_) | |
    | | | hjp@hjp.at | -- Charles Stross, "Creative writing
    __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | challenge!"
    --
    https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list


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  • From Grant Edwards@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Feb 19 10:09:26 2024
    On 2024-02-18, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:
    [Replying to the list *and* Grant]

    On 2024-02-17 19:38:04 -0500, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
    weeks has shown up on the list.

    January 29th, AFAICS. And end of december before that.

    I don't know how to troubleshoot this other than sending test
    messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the list, then I've gotten
    it to work...

    This did show up and 3 other test messages with very similar text
    as well.

    Also there was a whole flurry of almost but not quite identical messages
    from you in the "nan" thread.

    Sorry about that.

    All of those were posted at various times throughout the day yesterday
    using two different accounts, two different mail servers, and three
    different methods for submitting the e-mails. I finally gave up and
    switched to using comp.lang.python via Usenet.

    Then, about 24 hours later, all those messages finally showed up.

    At one point about half way through that process yesterday, I
    unsusbscribed and then re-subscribed both e-mail addresses. I got
    confirmation and welcome messages on both accounts. Sending "help"
    requests to the list server produced the expected results. I enabled
    the sending of confirmation messages from the list server.

    But posts to the list still seemed to vanish into the ether while
    emails from both accounts reached other destinations without delay,

    During this process a number of posts from other users did appear in
    the list archive and at at _one_ of the two e-mail addresses which I
    had subscribed.

    But no sign of any of my posts.

    About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
    all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
    e-mail accounts.

    I still have no clue what was going on...

    --
    Grant




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  • From dn@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Feb 19 10:30:04 2024
    On 19/02/24 12:09, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    ....

    But posts to the list still seemed to vanish into the ether while
    emails from both accounts reached other destinations without delay,

    During this process a number of posts from other users did appear in
    the list archive and at at _one_ of the two e-mail addresses which I
    had subscribed.

    But no sign of any of my posts.

    About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
    all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
    e-mail accounts.

    I still have no clue what was going on...

    Looking at the email-headers, there are sometimes considerable delays
    between messages submitted to the List-reflector, and their outward transmission (to me).

    Interestingly, there's something strange about the queuing. Instead of
    FIFO it seems some messages arrive ahead of others, ie out-of-sequence.
    (wonder if explained by submission via email or Usenet?)

    I've noted long delays too. Perhaps (also) to do with time-of-day?

    Always feel slightly embarrassed if 'repeat' an answer* that someone
    else had previously submitted, eg __new__ thread and @MRAB. However, if
    the reflector 'holds onto' the earlier message, then how should I/anyone
    know?

    * yes, repetition improves learning, slightly different words may help comprehension; but doubt I can express anything better than the
    aforementioned does/did/can.

    --
    Regards,
    =dn

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  • From Skip Montanaro@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Feb 19 12:04:02 2024
    I can't explain the delays, but will note that the gate-news program on the server runs every 5 minutes via cron. There are multiple moving parts in
    the overall system. You'll probably get a more useful answer from postmaster@python.org.

    Skip

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  • From Thomas Passin@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Feb 19 13:34:54 2024
    On 2/18/2024 6:09 PM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    On 2024-02-18, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:
    [Replying to the list *and* Grant]

    On 2024-02-17 19:38:04 -0500, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
    weeks has shown up on the list.

    January 29th, AFAICS. And end of december before that.

    I don't know how to troubleshoot this other than sending test
    messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the list, then I've gotten
    it to work...

    This did show up and 3 other test messages with very similar text
    as well.

    Also there was a whole flurry of almost but not quite identical messages
    from you in the "nan" thread.

    Sorry about that.

    All of those were posted at various times throughout the day yesterday
    using two different accounts, two different mail servers, and three
    different methods for submitting the e-mails. I finally gave up and
    switched to using comp.lang.python via Usenet.

    Then, about 24 hours later, all those messages finally showed up.

    At one point about half way through that process yesterday, I
    unsusbscribed and then re-subscribed both e-mail addresses. I got confirmation and welcome messages on both accounts. Sending "help"
    requests to the list server produced the expected results. I enabled
    the sending of confirmation messages from the list server.

    But posts to the list still seemed to vanish into the ether while
    emails from both accounts reached other destinations without delay,

    During this process a number of posts from other users did appear in
    the list archive and at at _one_ of the two e-mail addresses which I
    had subscribed.

    But no sign of any of my posts.

    About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
    all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
    e-mail accounts.

    I still have no clue what was going on...

    Sometimes a post of mine will not show up for hours or even half a day.
    They are all addressed directly to the list. Sometimes my email
    provider sends me a notice that the message bounced. Those notices say
    that the address wasn't available when the transmission was tried.


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  • From Grant Edwards@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Feb 20 01:17:39 2024
    On 2024-02-19, Thomas Passin <list1@tompassin.net> wrote:

    About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
    all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
    e-mail accounts.

    I still have no clue what was going on...

    Sometimes a post of mine will not show up for hours or even half a day.
    They are all addressed directly to the list. Sometimes my email
    provider sends me a notice that the message bounced. Those notices say
    that the address wasn't available when the transmission was tried.

    I guess that in future I'll wait a couple days before I assume
    something is broken.

    --
    Grant


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    Hellow Grant,

    On Sat, 2024-02-17 at 18:54 -0600, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    =20
    Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
    weeks has shown up on the list. I don't know how to troubleshoot this
    other than sending test messages.=C2=A0 Obviously, if this shows up on th=
    e
    list, then I'm making progress.
    =20
    [message 4]
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    Grant

    Do not worry. Sending email is harder than coding in Python. Anyway,
    your email arrived safely in my mailbox. Congratulations!


    Thanks, Byunghee from South Korea


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  • From Thomas Passin@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Feb 20 03:38:54 2024
    On 2/19/2024 9:17 AM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Thomas Passin <list1@tompassin.net> wrote:

    About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
    all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
    e-mail accounts.

    I still have no clue what was going on...

    Sometimes a post of mine will not show up for hours or even half a day.
    They are all addressed directly to the list. Sometimes my email
    provider sends me a notice that the message bounced. Those notices say
    that the address wasn't available when the transmission was tried.

    Here is a typical bounce message that I get:

    <python-list@python.org>: host mail.python.org[188.166.95.178] said:
    450-4.3.2
    Service currently unavailable 450 4.3.2

    Some time after I get one of these messages I re-send the post. Usually
    it gets through then.

    I guess that in future I'll wait a couple days before I assume
    something is broken.

    --
    Grant



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  • From Skip Montanaro@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Feb 20 03:55:46 2024

    Here is a typical bounce message that I get:

    <python-list@python.org>: host mail.python.org[188.166.95.178] said: 450-4.3.2
    Service currently unavailable 450 4.3.2

    Some time after I get one of these messages I re-send the post. Usually
    it gets through then.


    Looks kinda like greylisting to me. I'm pretty sure that's one of the tool
    in the mail.python.org chain.

    Skip



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  • From Thomas Passin@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Feb 20 04:05:01 2024
    On 2/19/2024 11:55 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
    Here is a typical bounce message that I get:

    <python-list@python.org <mailto:python-list@python.org>>: host
    mail.python.org <http://mail.python.org>[188.166.95.178] said:
    450-4.3.2
    ˙ ˙ ˙Service currently unavailable 450 4.3.2

    Some time after I get one of these messages I re-send the post.
    Usually
    it gets through then.


    Looks kinda like greylisting to me. I'm pretty sure that's one of the
    tool in the mail.python.org <http://mail.python.org> chain.

    I don't see it as greylisting. A repeat post will succeed, before there
    would be time for my email provider (Dreamhost) to do anything about it.


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  • From Peter J. Holzer@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Feb 21 08:27:55 2024

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    On 2024-02-19 11:38:54 -0500, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 9:17 AM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Thomas Passin <list1@tompassin.net> wrote:
    About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails) all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated e-mail accounts.
    =20
    I still have no clue what was going on...
    =20
    Sometimes a post of mine will not show up for hours or even half a da=
    y.
    They are all addressed directly to the list. Sometimes my email
    provider sends me a notice that the message bounced. Those notices s=
    ay
    that the address wasn't available when the transmission was tried.
    =20
    Here is a typical bounce message that I get:
    =20
    <python-list@python.org>: host mail.python.org[188.166.95.178] said: 450-4.3.2
    Service currently unavailable 450 4.3.2

    This is a *temporary* error. Your provider's server should retry
    delivering the message for a decent amount of time (3 to 7 days is
    customary).

    Your provider's server may send you a notification that the mail cannot currently be delivered and that it will keep trying. Such notifications
    are usually sent after a much shorter period (a few hours).

    hp

    --=20
    _ | Peter J. Holzer | Story must make more sense than reality.
    |_|_) | |
    | | | hjp@hjp.at | -- Charles Stross, "Creative writing
    __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | challenge!"

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