more in criminal cases. Expanded in the early 20s to make taking pictures of "women" in swim suits at a public beach. Making it a sex crime if you being there with a camera made them feel uncomfortable. Penalties include large fines, jail, and or chemical castration.

Beaches are a good place to take pictures of many other things... lighthouses, sunsets... that have nothing to do with whoever is there. I usually try to ignore other people... being tagged for a sex crime just because my camera makes them uncomfortable is going way too far.

"Defamation using truth". Speaking ill of someone, even if true can lead to large fines and jail.

So if they do something bad, and you just tell what they did without
opinion, it could be defamation? Consider the state of things right now, I
am surprised we don't have one like this.

A lot of these laws do nothing to protect the public but are used by the business conglomarates (Chibol), or government officals to hide their dirty business in the shawdows, or stifle public commnet.

Figures.

Mike

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** On a side note. If you are taking unsolicited photos / videos for a blog /
vlog etc, and that post or video is monetized, does that cross the line into needing a photo/video release? That would be a good debate topic

I would say "yes" so as, at the very least, to cover your own arse. If
they find out your making $$$ on it they will likely want some of the
profit.

That said, several years ago I too several photos and a couple of the
locations (one a lighthouse and another a lake cruise) reached out and
asked if they could use them to promote their locations. I said yes even though I am not getting paid.

So if they do something bad, and you just tell what they did without opinion, it could be defamation? Consider the state of things right now, I
am surprised we don't have one like this.

If you say it to them and only them, you are in the clear (Though being Korea,
I am sure there are other laws they can get you on.). Though with or without oppinion if you saw something to a third party that "defames" them, you might want a lawyer on retainer.

That is not good, and sounds unfortunately like something our federal government might be interested in to silence dissent. :(

Other part of Korean law that comes into play with some of these (Though more and more laws are doing away with this...)...

If the accused enteres into an agreement called a "Personal Appology Settlement." Which usually includes an appology without admitting guilt and a
payment. The "agreived" will drop the charges or the prosecutor will decide not to procede with prosecution.. On one hand it saves the court a lot of time, but on the other hand opend the door for legalized extortion.

Yeah, sounds like a field day for the legal profession.

Mike

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Expanded in the early 20s to make taking pictures of

>> "women" in swim suits at a public beach. Making it a sex crime if you being
>> there with a camera made them feel uncomfortable. Penalties include large
>> fines, jail, and or chemical castration.

Beaches are a good place to take pictures of many other things... lighthouses

>sunsets... that have nothing to do with whoever is there. I usually try to
>ignore other people... being tagged for a sex crime just because my camera
>makes them uncomfortable is going way too far.

Not to make light of this, and not exactly related other than to other
comments on this, I recall in one of my very early part time jobs after
school in a grocery store, one of the full time workers was staring at
a woman in a very short skirt bending over reaching something in a
cooler and showing a lot more than she probably intended.
The store manager happened along and noticed this and pulled the guy
aside and said he shouldn't be doing that, to which he replied, If she
doesn't want an audience, she shouldn't put on a show..

That's like the situation where some young lady is wearing very sexy
clothes and takes offence at all the 'dirty old men' staring at her.

They go out in public but want to pick and choose who can look at them.

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** On a side note. If you are taking unsolicited photos / videos for a blo

>> vlog etc, and that post or video is monetized, does that cross the line int
>> needing a photo/video release? That would be a good debate topic

I would say "yes" so as, at the very least, to cover your own arse. If

>they find out your making $$$ on it they will likely want some of the
>profit.

I would say that any time you use a photo for commercial purposes the
subjects in it should have some share ofit. That's a little different
than random photos for your own use.

That said, several years ago I too several photos and a couple of the

>locations (one a lighthouse and another a lake cruise) reached out and
>asked if they could use them to promote their locations. I said yes even
>though I am not getting paid.

Did they see the photos at the time or had you posetd them somewhere later? Probably as you thought, there'd be very little monney to be made there
and you might just feel good that your photos were considered that good.

If you say it to them and only them, you are in the clear (Though being Kor

>> I am sure there are other laws they can get you on.). Though with or witho
>> oppinion if you saw something to a third party that "defames" them, you mig
>> want a lawyer on retainer.

I'm not sure if telling the truth about someone, and there's no question
it is true, would be 'defamation'.. Or at least shouldn't be IMHO.. B)

The definition online says defamation falls under two catagories, slander
and libel depending on if it is spoken or written, but they point out
that that refers to making FALSE statements..

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Apparently South Korea is not the only country with strict defamation laws.

Poland has similar "Insult" laws..

Poland's insult laws include provisions against insulting groups or individua

>based on national, ethnic, racial, or religious affiliation, with penalties p
>ntially including imprisonment up to three years. There are also laws protect
> the good name of the Republic of Poland, the president, and other heads of s
>e from public insult, also punishable by imprisonment.

Some of that is understandable, to do with race and religion and such.
If you go after people for saying something nasty about a country's
leader, I think the prisons would be overflowing in most countries.. B)

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That said, several years ago I too several photos and a couple of the

>locations (one a lighthouse and another a lake cruise) reached out and
>asked if they could use them to promote their locations. I said yes even
>though I am not getting paid.

Did they see the photos at the time or had you posetd them somewhere later? Probably as you thought, there'd be very little monney to be made there
and you might just feel good that your photos were considered that good.

I had posted them to FB. It was somewhat flattering as I never really considered myself to be that much of a photographer. In the case of the lighthouse, that is mostly/completely a volunteer group that runs that organization. I figured if it helped them get folks interested in a visit,
it was a good thing. When I visited, they were not yet to the point of
opening for tours (it wasn't even staffed... I just walked up, took a few photos, and enjoyed the view). They were gearing up for future tours when
they asked.

In the case of the lake cruise, the photos were of things you probably
wouldn't see unless you were on the cruise or owned/hired your own boat.
They might make a little money off using them.

If you say it to them and only them, you are in the clear (Though being Kor

>> I am sure there are other laws they can get you on.). Though with or witho
>> oppinion if you saw something to a third party that "defames" them, you mig
>> want a lawyer on retainer.

I'm not sure if telling the truth about someone, and there's no question
it is true, would be 'defamation'.. Or at least shouldn't be IMHO.. B)

It should not be, but it sounds like it must run afoul of some law in South Korea. I know some of the eastern Asian cultures have a thing about
"saving face" but that really goes too far.

The definition online says defamation falls under two catagories, slander
and libel depending on if it is spoken or written, but they point out
that that refers to making FALSE statements..

That is how I think it should be applied.

Mike

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