On 18 Aug 2022, Michiel van der Vlist said the following...

It might be my prostate... but I piss Red, White & Blue!!!

You have Dutch ancestry?

https://www.vlaggen.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Nederland-vlag.jpg

Though I wouldn't put it past any of my ancestors to have had coitus with someone whop was Dutch... I do feel that my Red, White and Blue piss is more American... Every time it happens I swear to God I hear Trump say... "And We Will Make America Great Again"... And I hear the YMCA song at random points though out my day...

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Dan Clough wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Indeed he did. A very common leftist/liberal tactic - attempting to divert/deceive the actual discussion topic, because it's not going to
go their way otherwise.

In his case, it could be an honest mistake, just like when Biden shakes
hands with thin air.

You know, it's funny... the three main doofus'es involved in this
argument are *ALL* not living in the US, and yet.... they know
everything there is to know about living in the US, and are eager to
tell those who *DO* live in the US all about it. They know *ALL* info about our laws, and are positive that their opinions matter more than
any USA citizen's.

I guess their own countries are too boring to talk about.



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Ward Dossche wrote to Mike Powell <=-

It is a medical certainty in neonatology that before 24 weeks the
foetus stands no chance. That is based on medical science.

If a state's legislature decides on 20 weeks despite all medical data, then they're all dingbats that should be ashamed of themselves.

The state cutoff was 20 weeks. She was over that and would have been
closer to 23-24 weeks.

Prior to 24 weeks here as a rule no effort will be made to start
therapy. Most babies will die within 20-30 minutes. Medical staff will clean it and hand it to the mother so she can hold it for a few minutes while it still is alive. These babies suffer extreme pains and are disturbed because they sense they are dying. Staff is trained to
perform massage to make them feel comfortable and will sedate them to
stop the suffering, even if they're just minutes away from death.

So these ~24 week babies can sense "extreme pain," similar maybe to the
pain of being set on fire?


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Dale Shipp wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

?? I did tell the complete story. What do you think was withheld?

Nothing in the world is free, someone/something is
paying...for example the military...

Yes, I have insurance and that insurance paid it all. I pay a
reasonable amount for that insurance.
You have insurance. I suspect that it is paid for in part or in total
by your government.

Which, if that is the case, means that he is paying for it with his taxes, unless he pays none.

Even if you both paid $0 out of pocket, his is better because, you know, he
is European and you are not.



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IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

On 16 Aug 2022, Alan Ianson said the following...

That's just a story IB Joe was telling.

I have put more time than I care to on this topic...

If you keep talking to Alan, you will continue putting more time into it as
he spins-and-spins the converstation here and there, claims he didn't say things he did, claims others said things they didn't, etc... When it comes
to politics, that is his way.

Why would ABC News have this headline...

California budget won't cover out-of-state abortion travel

Why would the representatives in California be looking into budget of
for out of state abortions if someone like Gavin did say something

I will save Alan the trouble, "that is just a story IB Joe was telling." :)

Washington Examiner headlines, as reported by MSN...

Report recommends taxpayers pay expenses for out-of-state abortions in California

Snippet from the story...
Should the Supreme Court overturn Roe v. Wade, reproductive rights advocates say California should fund travel expenses like gas, lodging, transportation and child care for in-state and out-of-state patients seeking an abortion.

I will save Alan the trouble, "that is just a story IB Joe was telling." :)

Def-Con News Headline...
California To Become Abortion Sanctuary With Paid Travel And Lodging

I will save Alan the trouble, "that is just a story IB Joe was telling." :)

I used DuckDuckGo and searched "california to pay for out of state abortions"

I spent less than 60 seconds to find these headlines. These headlines didn't come about because a message I posted in Fido.... They are there because of a Narrative the left wants to push...

I didn't make things up... and y'all need to put a little work into things...

The only work Alan will do is spin it around, claim he didn't say what he
said, claim he was responding to someone else, etc.



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Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

On 18 Aug 22 21:34:00, Dan Clough said the following to Mike Powell:

You know, it's funny... the three main doofus'es involved in this
argument are *ALL* not living in the US, and yet.... they know
everything there is to know about living in the US, and are eager to
tell those who *DO* live in the US all about it. They know *ALL* info about our laws, and are positive that their opinions matter more than
any USA citizen's. Oh yeah, all three of them are unashamed leftists,
I'm sure that's just a coincidence. <EYEROLL>

Its greatly amusing that neither of them don't move up to much larger social platforms where they could lecture a much bigger audience of Americans than the small insignificant fraction here.

That we know of. ;) I don't plan to go looking.



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Mike Powell wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

It is a medical certainty in neonatology that before 24 weeks the
foetus stands no chance. That is based on medical science.

If a state's legislature decides on 20 weeks despite all medical data, then they're all dingbats that should be ashamed of themselves.

The state cutoff was 20 weeks. She was over that and would have
been closer to 23-24 weeks.

Yes, and Ward's claim about being dingbats is irrelevant (as usual),
because it doesn't matter. IT IS/WAS APPROVED STATE LAW.

Prior to 24 weeks here as a rule no effort will be made to start
therapy. Most babies will die within 20-30 minutes. Medical staff will clean it and hand it to the mother so she can hold it for a few minutes while it still is alive. These babies suffer extreme pains and are disturbed because they sense they are dying. Staff is trained to
perform massage to make them feel comfortable and will sedate them to
stop the suffering, even if they're just minutes away from death.

So these ~24 week babies can sense "extreme pain," similar maybe
to the pain of being set on fire?

Or perhaps the pain of being ripped apart by a pair of steel forceps?
Having your limbs pulled from your body, maybe might hurt a little?

Oh, and you've also caught him in another lie... If these babies (notice
he's not calling it a 'fetus' any more) aren't really humans yet, how
can they "sense that they are dying"? Kinda goes against the 'viable' narrative, wouldn't you say? Right, Ward?

I swear, the hypocrisy of Lefties is beyond belief.



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Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Indeed he did. A very common leftist/liberal tactic - attempting to divert/deceive the actual discussion topic, because it's not going to
go their way otherwise.

In his case, it could be an honest mistake, just like when Biden
shakes hands with thin air.

Hahaha, yep.

You know, it's funny... the three main doofus'es involved in this
argument are *ALL* not living in the US, and yet.... they know
everything there is to know about living in the US, and are eager to
tell those who *DO* live in the US all about it. They know *ALL* info about our laws, and are positive that their opinions matter more than
any USA citizen's.

I guess their own countries are too boring to talk about.

Or.... by talking incessantly about how imperfect the US is, any
conversation about the actual shit-hole status of their own countries is avoided... It's another very common Lefty tactic.


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I have put more time than I care to on this topic...

You haven't put much care at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ1YdTNpx3A

This story is about roe v. wade.

Here is a news reporter... ~ 3:35 into this video she talks about Gavin's efforts to pay for out-of-state abortions...

No, that is not what she said.

Headlines LA Times

California would subsidize abortion services for uninsured, out-of-state patients under Newsom plan

You didn't provide a link but sure, we all realize that California provides health care for people in California as well as out of state travelers.

Why would ABC News have this headline...

California budget won't cover out-of-state abortion travel
Why would the representatives in California be looking into budget of for out of state abortions if someone like Gavin did say something

You didn't provide a link here either. It says (clearly) above that California won't cover out of state travel.

Washington Examiner headlines, as reported by MSN...

No link here either.

Report recommends taxpayers pay expenses for out-of-state abortions in California Snippet from the story...

Should the Supreme Court overturn Roe v. Wade, reproductive rights advocates say California should fund travel expenses like gas, lodging, transportation and child care for in-state and out-of-state patients seeking an abortion.

No link again. Reproductive rights advocates are saying this.

The Wall Street Journal Headline....

No link again.

California May Pay Expenses for Women Seeking Abortions From Other States

CBN News Headline...

This State Plans to Become America's Abortion Destination, Paying for Exponential increase in Abortions

This might be an interesting read if you had provided a link.

Def-Con News Headline...

California To Become Abortion Sanctuary With Paid Travel And Lodging

No link again. I'm not interested in reading every bloggers whateveritis.

I used DuckDuckGo and searched "california to pay for out of state abortions"

That's what I did to and there is no such thing as California paying travel costs of out state visitors.

I spent less than 60 seconds to find these headlines. These headlines didn't come about because a message I posted in Fido.... They are there because of a Narrative the left wants to push...

You are trying to push this not "the left".

I didn't make things up... and y'all need to put a little work into things... :)

California is not paying travel expenses. It just isn't.

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On 08-19-22 13:36, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Snitch Country <=-

Yes, I have insurance and that insurance paid it all. I pay a
reasonable amount for that insurance.
You have insurance. I suspect that it is paid for in part or in total
by your government.

There is a portion withheld from the salary which is called "social contributions" and part of that health insurance system is
funded from that source.

Is that a flat fee for all or is it income based? About how much is it
for a normal worker?
How much of the other income taxes goes into paying for medical?

I my case, I have an insurance plan that is subsidized by the federal government as a part of my having worked for the federal government
before I retired from them. I pay a part of that insurance, I think it
amounts to about US$300 per month out of my pocket. Almost every
medical procedure / doctor visit is covered with no copay. There is
only limited dental and vision benefits however.

I can add that 45 or 50 years ago, I worked in England and was covered
under their national health system. In several ways, it was
substandard. There were long delays and limited availability of
doctors. At that time I also carried a small private insurance and that
helped cut the delay times and gave my family access to better selection
of doctors.

Dale Shipp
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Dan,

Or perhaps the pain of being ripped apart by a pair of steel forceps? Having your limbs pulled from your body, maybe might hurt a little?

It seems you have no idea how an abortion works ... it's a mere pill, or two pills ... Ever 'seen' an abortion, Dan? If forceps are shown, it's something else...probably a propaganda video.

Oh, and you've also caught him in another lie... If these babies (notice he's not calling it a 'fetus' any more) aren't really humans yet, how
can they "sense that they are dying"? Kinda goes against the 'viable' narrative, wouldn't you say? Right, Ward?

If a non-viable foetus is born, then it is a baby. There will be a birth-certificate and a death-certificate and an official burrial (with all the costs involved of an undertaker or so). Most cemetaries do have a childrens lot, very small graves.

Those babies have way underdeveloped lungs and can't breathe properly, they will suffocate to death.

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Dan,

Or.... by talking incessantly about how imperfect the US is, any conversation about the actual shit-hole status of their own countries is avoided... It's another very common Lefty tactic.

Go ahead, say something bad about my country...

I'll start ... there's a small statue in Brussels of small boy with a naked penis and he pisses into a fountain. On the national day, he pisses beer.

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Hi Dale,

There is a portion withheld from the salary which is called "social DS>WD> contributions" and part of that health insurance system is
funded from that source.

Is that a flat fee for all or is it income based?

It's income based. There's also a mandatory employer's portion which I have no information about.

About how much is it for a normal worker?

I don't know, we're all making too much. But I looked at a salary slip of my son and it seems like it's some 14%, that is pre-taxes. This is the social security payment which goes into healthcare, pension-fund, scholarships, unemployment, more stuff.

How much of the other income taxes goes into paying for medical?

No clue.

I my case, I have an insurance plan that is subsidized by the federal government as a part of my having worked for the federal government
before I retired from them. I pay a part of that insurance, I think it amounts to about US$300 per month out of my pocket. Almost every
medical procedure / doctor visit is covered with no copay. There is
only limited dental and vision benefits however.

OK. The legal system here is that the moment you work, you are enrolled in the system automatically, often even when you just run a student's summer job, and start accumulating benefits. When becoming unemployed you do not lose the benefits.

Some of those benefits include help prior to and after childbirth. You will get a free stroller for example, get a %-off at specific stores when buying a car-seat, you get a free baby-carrier, scholarships, social vacations, ...

Of course ... "free" ... nothing's free ... someone somewhere in the system also pays for that and doesn't use the benefit. And "no", it's not an opt-in/opt-out story.

I can add that 45 or 50 years ago, I worked in England and was covered under their national health system. In several ways, it was
substandard. There were long delays and limited availability of
doctors. At that time I also carried a small private insurance and that helped cut the delay times and gave my family access to better selection
of doctors.

I believe that ... England is a different world and we often joke about people living on an island, but there's some truth. I may hope services there have now improved (after all, they manage to keep their queen afoot) but until rather recently there was an influx of English women to come here and have childbirth here because of the better care. London is now just a trainride away and it was easy with the UK a member of the EU as birth certificates would be from another country if you needed one. Now with Brexit done that becomes less obvious.

Enjoy the week-end,

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On 19 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

The only work Alan will do is spin it around, claim he didn't say what he said, claim he was responding to someone else, etc.

He must be a democrat

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Dan Clough wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Oh, and you've also caught him in another lie... If these babies
(notice he's not calling it a 'fetus' any more) aren't really humans
yet, how can they "sense that they are dying"? Kinda goes against the 'viable' narrative, wouldn't you say? Right, Ward?

In this case, I think "not viable" means they cannot sustain life once
born, not even with assistance. As he was talking about miscarriages, I
guess that makes them a "baby/human" vs. a fetus since they were born on
their own instead of being forced-born by choice of the mother?

I don't see the difference, but I guess someone who thinks different might.




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Dan Clough wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I guess their own countries are too boring to talk about.

Or.... by talking incessantly about how imperfect the US is, any conversation about the actual shit-hole status of their own countries
is avoided... It's another very common Lefty tactic.

In the case of the one on our continent, if you try asking him questions
about his own government or, in particular, their PM, he will usually
deflect or decline to answer... unless maybe it is about health care.


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Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Or perhaps the pain of being ripped apart by a pair of steel forceps? Having your limbs pulled from your body, maybe might hurt a little?

It seems you have no idea how an abortion works ... it's a mere pill,
or two pills ... Ever 'seen' an abortion, Dan? If forceps are shown,
it's something else...probably a propaganda video.

It depends on where you have it done and what kind. At one of the clinics
in my state, you had a choice. You could do the pill route, which
meant you had to go through most of it without a doctor present, and you
had to make a return visit for a check-up after, or you could have it
done same day, in office. The latter was indeed an invasive procedure but, barring complications, you did not have to return and you did not have to
wait for the medication to do its thing.

If a non-viable foetus is born, then it is a baby. There will be a birth-certificate and a death-certificate and an official burrial (with all the costs involved of an undertaker or so). Most cemetaries do have
a childrens lot, very small graves.

Those babies have way underdeveloped lungs and can't breathe properly, they will suffocate to death.

Like I told Dan, the difference between "baby" vs. "foetus" is born on its own vs. forced-born, or "the mother wanted it" vs. "the mother didn't." That is not a very scientific difference.


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Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Oh, and you've also caught him in another lie... If these babies
(notice he's not calling it a 'fetus' any more) aren't really humans
yet, how can they "sense that they are dying"? Kinda goes against the 'viable' narrative, wouldn't you say? Right, Ward?

In this case, I think "not viable" means they cannot sustain life
once born, not even with assistance. As he was talking about miscarriages, I guess that makes them a "baby/human" vs. a fetus
since they were born on their own instead of being forced-born by
choice of the mother?

Yes, you're probably right on this.

I don't see the difference, but I guess someone who thinks
different might.

Same.


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Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I guess their own countries are too boring to talk about.

Or.... by talking incessantly about how imperfect the US is, any conversation about the actual shit-hole status of their own countries
is avoided... It's another very common Lefty tactic.

In the case of the one on our continent, if you try asking him
questions about his own government or, in particular, their PM,
he will usually deflect or decline to answer... unless maybe it
is about health care.

Yep, no surprise there - another classic Lefty behavior.

I'd say their behavior is what pet-owners know as "small dog syndrome".
I know because I have a small dog. It's where the dog seems to know
it's small, and therefore over-compensates in trying to act "big and
tough". Aggressive and barking at things to try and make himself seem
bigger. Apparently when a human with low self-esteem lives in a country
which is basically meaningless on the world stage, they tend to act the
same way, to try and make themselves (and their useless country) seem
more important. Makes some sense; all we can do is laugh at them. ;-)



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IB Joe wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

People are leaving California in droves... this could be one of the reasons...

Could be, yes, but the cost of living is more likely.


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IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

On 19 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

The only work Alan will do is spin it around, claim he didn't say what he said, claim he was responding to someone else, etc.

He must be a democrat

The Canadian equivalent, I would guess so.


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On 21 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

He must be a democrat

The Canadian equivalent, I would guess so.

OMG, not a Liberal...

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Hello, Bj”rn Felten.
On 8/11/22 6:22 PM you wrote:

You should look into the a little further... apparently her and
her mother aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby...
put it in a grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put
it back in the ground...

You forgot that they finally ate the now well done baby. With
French fries, ketchup and mustard.
..

Must be atheists. Everyone knows only atheists eat babies.

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Must be atheists. Everyone knows only atheists eat babies.

That's why they are called "ate-ist"

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