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Hello Paul,

On Saturday June 24 2023 12:26, you wrote to me:

On 23 Jun 2023 at 10:30a, Michiel van der Vlist pondered and said...

Indeed no IPv6 for now.

Yep

No change, so I will flag you as "6DWN" in the list for now.

I see you were running a he.net tunnel. Does it mean you will
have native IPv6? Or is there a problem getting the tunnel back
up?

I may end up with a mix of both, I think I may get some native
allocation with my new ISP in the coming weeks. Not sure... but also looking to have a tunnel running again as I'd like to make use of that too. My hope is it will be possible to do both without too much issue.

Interesting. With a he.net tunnel you have a fixed IPv6 prefix and that has its advantages. With native IPv6 you may have a (semi) dynamic prefix. Your milage may vary. Other than that I find native IPv6 much preferable ove a tunnel. He,net offers a fantastic service for a very attractive price, but a tunnel just can not match native IPv6. At least that is my experience.

Please keep us posted.


Cheers, Michiel

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On 24 Jun 2023 at 10:25p, Michiel van der Vlist pondered and said...

Indeed no IPv6 for now.

Yep

No change, so I will flag you as "6DWN" in the list for now.

I've been working on the he.net tunnel today and should have updated AAAA records for agency.bbs.nz in place in the coming day. You could also try agency.fsxnet.nz which should be working now.

I may end up with a mix of both, I think I may get some native allocation with my new ISP in the coming weeks. Not sure... but also looking to have a tunnel running again as I'd like to make use of tha too. My hope is it will be possible to do both without too much issue

Interesting. With a he.net tunnel you have a fixed IPv6 prefix and that has its advantages. With native IPv6 you may have a (semi) dynamic
prefix. Your milage may vary. Other than that I find native IPv6 much preferable ove a tunnel. He,net offers a fantastic service for a very attractive price, but a tunnel just can not match native IPv6. At least that is my experience.

I'm hoping my new ISP will provide a static IPc6 range that I can use. But for now I'm just about sorted on the revised he.net tunnel.

Please keep us posted.

Yep will do, have a poke at my domain name in the coming 24 hours and let me know how you get on.

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On 24 Jun 2023 at 10:25p, Michiel van der Vlist pondered and said...

Please keep us posted.

he.net tunnel should be back up, I have added DNS records for the new address.

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 22:25:39 +0200
"Michiel van der Vlist" (2:280/5555) <Michiel.van.der.Vlist@f5555.n280.z2.fidonet> wrote:

*** Answering a msg posted in area FN_SYSOP (International Fido
Sysops).

Hello Paul,

On Saturday June 24 2023 12:26, you wrote to me:

On 23 Jun 2023 at 10:30a, Michiel van der Vlist pondered and
said...

Indeed no IPv6 for now.

Yep

No change, so I will flag you as "6DWN" in the list for now.

I see you were running a he.net tunnel. Does it mean you will
have native IPv6? Or is there a problem getting the tunnel back
up?

I may end up with a mix of both, I think I may get some native allocation with my new ISP in the coming weeks. Not sure... but
also looking to have a tunnel running again as I'd like to make
use of that too. My hope is it will be possible to do both
without too much issue.

Interesting. With a he.net tunnel you have a fixed IPv6 prefix and
that has its advantages. With native IPv6 you may have a (semi)
dynamic prefix. Your milage may vary. Other than that I find native
IPv6 much preferable ove a tunnel. He,net offers a fantastic service
for a very attractive price, but a tunnel just can not match native
IPv6. At least that is my experience.

Please keep us posted.

As a side note, Google search over ipv6 is broken. They're basically
rejecting requests. While I configured my PCs to prefer ipv4 over ipv6
anyway (a tunnel is always going to be slower than native ipv4), I
couldn't find a way to do so with the Android phones. I ended up
turning my home ipv6 tunnel off until its fixed.
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Hello Paul,

On Sunday June 25 2023 14:54, you wrote to me:

he.net tunnel should be back up, I have added DNS records for the new address.

Check!

+ 10:06 [2688] call to 3:770/100@fidonet
10:06 [2688] trying agency.bbs.nz [2001:470:d:3a4::200]:24555...
10:06 [2688] connected
+ 10:06 [2688] outgoing session with agency.bbs.nz:24555 [2001:470:d:3a4::200] - 10:06 [2688] OPT CRAM-MD5-1ce5c941a3cd496137354c98f114d28c
+ 10:06 [2688] Remote requests MD mode
- 10:06 [2688] SYS Agency BBS
- 10:06 [2688] LOC Dunedin, New Zealand
- 10:06 [2688] ZYZ Avon
- 10:06 [2688] TIME Sun, 25 Jun 2023 20:06:43 +1200
- 10:06 [2688] VER Mystic/1.12A48 binkp/1.0


+ 10:06 [1944] call to 3:770/1@fidonet
10:06 [1944] trying agency.bbs.nz [2001:470:d:3a4::200]...
10:06 [1944] connected
+ 10:06 [1944] outgoing session with agency.bbs.nz:24554 [2001:470:d:3a4::200] - 10:06 [1944] OPT CRAM-MD5-77496d11d0a49636eb80b533087f3fee
+ 10:06 [1944] Remote requests MD mode
- 10:06 [1944] SYS Agency + Risa HUB
- 10:06 [1944] ZYZ Paul Hayton
- 10:06 [1944] LOC Dunedin, New Zealand
- 10:06 [1944] NDL 115200,TCP,CM,MO,IBN,BINKP,PING,IPv6
- 10:06 [1944] TIME Sun, 25 Jun 2023 20:06:49 +1200
- 10:06 [1944] VER binkd/1.1a-115/Linux binkp/1.1


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Paul,

On Sunday June 25 2023 13:55, you wrote to me:

I'm hoping my new ISP will provide a static IPc6 range that I can use.

I am a bit puzzled. Whenyou have a working conection from you new ISP, and obviously you do, I would think that you already know if you have an IPv6 range from them.

The question remains if it is static or dynamic. Static is nice, but dynamic need not be a problem. I have dynamic adresses, both IPv4 and IPv6. But changes are rare. Rare enough to not be a problem and I have not bothered with dyndns et al. I just manually make the changes on those rare occasions.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Nigel,

On Sunday June 25 2023 02:08, you wrote to me:

As a side note, Google search over ipv6 is broken. They're basically rejecting requests.

Odd. I suspect this is not really a problem with IPv6 but a problem with the he.net tunnel. A well known issue with he.net tunnels is that geolocation does not work properly and that can mess up things.

I ended up turning my home ipv6 tunnel off until its fixed.

The "proper" fix would be that your ISP gives you native IPv6. It has been 11 years since World IPv6 Launch, ISPs that still only offer IPv4 deserve to go belly up. Are you stuck with them?


Cheers, Michiel

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Re: Agency BBS / Agency HUB
By: Michiel van der Vlist to Nigel Reed on Sun Jun 25 2023 14:24:52

Odd. I suspect this is not really a problem with IPv6 but a problem with the he.net tunnel. A well known issue with he.net tunnels is that geolocation does not work properly and that can mess up things.

Yeah, I was referring to HE tunnelbroker.

The "proper" fix would be that your ISP gives you native IPv6. It has been 11 years since World IPv6 Launch, ISPs that still only offer IPv4 deserve to go belly up. Are you stuck with them?

Unfortunately, yes. Frontier are the only fiber provider in the city. The only other option would be 5G wireless and you're not going to get the same speeds, plus I don't think it's fully deployed in the Dallas suburbs yet. I'm pretty stuck.
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On 25 Jun 2023 at 02:07p, Michiel van der Vlist pondered and said...

I am a bit puzzled. Whenyou have a working conection from you new ISP,
and obviously you do, I would think that you already know if you have an IPv6 range from them.

ISP does not issue IPv6 on day one, I'm told it's sorted in the first week. So yeah, just waiting to hear

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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Good ${greeting_time}, Nigel!

25 Jun 2023 02:08:32, you wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

I couldn't find a way to do so with the Android phones. I ended up
turning my home ipv6 tunnel off until its fixed.

Setting up an additional IPv4-only WiFi AP (in a separate VLAN) appears to be much more wise idea.


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