Doug In Exile posted, I think one of the best, explanations about the controversy over presidential immunity.

https://youtu.be/yOviMPGLk20?si=ZoAos3wqdMjBntLI

Perplexing... I heard an argument last night where the person was saying that a president has total immunity during their presidency. Total meaning both personal and criminal liability.

He supported his claims with the Federalist Papers and he made a strong argument, in my opinion.

He did address the criminal side of immunity simply with impeachment. Once impeached the president is open to criminal prosecution.

So we can look at the current president... He cannot be held liable for the open border... People can't sue him for human trafficking and the crime wave that has come from his open border policies... Lets just say Joe wanted to accelerate the lawfare and other unconstitutional stuff he's doing against Trump and he gets a gun from his son Hunter... Tries to shoot Trump and misses... mainly because he forgot what he was doing....

So, with with I heard last night... Joe would be impeached for that act... removed from office and held to account. That seems reasonable.

I do feel the Supreme Court is going to put an end to Jack Smith ambitions to take the orange man down.

We'll have to see. If the presidents don't have immunity there is a lineup of lawsuits against Obama, Clinton and Bush...

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Perplexing... I heard an argument last night where the person was
saying that a president has total immunity during their presidency.
Total meaning both personal and criminal liability.

Really? What about Nixon?

So we can look at the current president... He cannot be held liable for the open border...

Well no, he never "opened" the border.

People can't sue him for human trafficking and the crime wave that
has come from his open border policies...

True, Joe was never involved in human trafficing.

Lets just say Joe wanted to accelerate the lawfare and other unconstitutional stuff he's doing against Trump and he gets a gun from
his son Hunter... Tries to shoot Trump and misses... mainly because he forgot what he was doing....

Lawfare? What is it about law and order that you hate so much?

So, with with I heard last night... Joe would be impeached for that
act... removed from office and held to account. That seems reasonable.

That, like everything MAGA is completely unreasonable.

I do feel the Supreme Court is going to put an end to Jack Smith
ambitions to take the orange man down.

They took away many of the rights women have had for over fifty years so I wouldn't be surprised what they do next.

I don't think SCOTUS is going to be much help to ol' Donnie at this point.

We'll have to see. If the presidents don't have immunity there is a lineup of lawsuits against Obama, Clinton and Bush...

Presidents have never had immunity before and have had no trouble.

Ol'e Donnie of course is the exception. He's acted like he had some kind of immunity all along, but of course he has none.

Ttyl :-),
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We'll have to see. If the presidents don't have immunity there is a lineup of lawsuits against Obama, Clinton and Bush...

Presidential immunity has been around since the start. Why did we only start having a problem with it until recently? Could it be the two-tiered system of justice?


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On 26 Apr 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Really? What about Nixon?

You missed the point... Again.... They argued this... Nixon should have been impeached for his non-official act of breaking into the Democrat HQ.... Bla
Bla Bla. Operative thing in your example... I assume Watergate is what you meant with Nixon... NON-OFFICIAL.

Impeach the man in the House, have a trial in the Senate... Senate convicts
and removes him... And he's now open for Criminal persecution, post impeachment.

In Nixon's case he stepped down as president before he could be impeached... and the president Ford pardoned him of any and all things related to the offense.

This would have been a perfect case the constitution... But it was thwarted
by pardons and whatnot.

BTW, Watergate was an inside CIA job to get rid of Nixon because he told the CIA that he knew who killed Johnny, AKA JFK.

Well no, he never "opened" the border.

Yes he did... He said come on up... you'll get free phones and stay at 5 star hotels and whatnot... There is a stronger argument that Biden opened the border up than Trump was guilty of campaign finance law issues over paying a porn star not to talk about a BJ she may or may not gave him.

True, Joe was never involved in human trafficing.

He enables it... Maybe they are paying the Big Guy 10%... Joe can send the military to the border tomorrow and shut the border down but he doesn't

Its also reported that Biden has lost over 80,000 some odd kids and since he stopped DNA testing they have not clue who they are giving the kids over to.

Lawfare? What is it about law and order that you hate so much?

you need to stop watching MSNBC, or Global...

That, like everything MAGA is completely unreasonable.

The US is a Republic. It is suppose to have the Constitution and the rule of law.

They took away many of the rights women have had for over fifty years so
I wouldn't be surprised what they do next.

They didn't take any rights away... They pushed it back to the States where
it belonged ... 10th Amendment says so...Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the Supreme
Court Justice that passed away was on record stating that Roe was not on sound ground.

Ginsburg quote...

"No less than Kate Michelman, then head of the National Abortion Rights Action League, was worried. "Her criticisms of Roe raise concerns about whether she believes that the right to choose is a fundamental right or a lesser right," Michelman said."

She believed that Roe should have been codified in congress. There is
nothing in the constitution about women's right to kill their babies. She believed an activist court, at the time, over reached. It's place as a president was weak.

Bader Ginsburg also argued as Roe stood it was more about a doctor being able to do abortions than it was about a woman's right to choose.

BTW, Obama could have passed any law he wanted... He could have easily passed something on this. He had the House and over 60 senators... Did he do it... No... they just like the fight every 2 years on abortion.

Democrats would rather see the country divided on this issue than have women with the right to choose.

As we see today with the Trans stuff what the Democrats feel about women's rights.

I don't think SCOTUS is going to be much help to ol' Donnie at this
point.

Sorry... I heard some of the questioning... And I think it's going in Trumps favor. Like usual you post nothing to support this claim. At least I posted some clips where the justices are asking questions or their questioning is being analyzed...

How did you come to this conclusion... Please persuade me... Unlike the left I'm open to hear some new ideas.

Presidents have never had immunity before and have had no trouble.

They've all had immunity... Lincoln suspends Habeas Corpus... nothing... Roosevelt... sent Japanese to interment Camps... nothing... Truman bombed Japanese citizens... NOT MILITARY... CITIZENS... when he dropped 2, not 1 but 2 nuclear bombs... nothing... During the current Supreme court questioning the court brought up Operation Mongoose... JFK/CIA stuff with Cuba and the bay of pigs ... Carter... He did something... I know it... Regan did nothing he was perfect... Clinton got a BJ ... George W lied to congress and the American people ab out Weapons-Of-Mass-Distruction in instigate a conflict where it needed to not go. A few days back I wrote a message wrote a message saying that 6 out of the 11 times war was approved by congress happened during the second world war... This means Roosevelt didn't take the original authority he received for Japan and and used that to expand the conflict... He went back to congress to seek more approval. Every conflict since WWII that the US was involved in since WWII was unconstitutional is someway. Obama killed American citizens in drone strikes.

And YES... Trump told people that they had a 1st amendment right to go peacefully and let congress know how they feel.

Now... I hadn't finished my coffee and this is what I came up with...

Ttyl :-),
Al

If you're going to TTYL can you come up with a few facts to support your claims..

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On 27 Apr 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Presidential immunity has been around since the start. Why did we only start having a problem with it until recently? Could it be the
two-tiered system of justice?

Yes sir... I have been learning a lot recently anyway... There was a young child killed during Obama's drone strike... Looks like the family is poised to sue the government if they remove immunity from Trump...

Oh what a tangled web!!!!

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BTW, Watergate was an inside CIA job to get rid of Nixon because he
told the CIA that he knew who killed Johnny, AKA JFK.

Ok, that's a new one to me - please tell us more.

Nixon is the man so crooked that Hunter S. Thompson said he screwed his
pants on in the morning...


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On 27 Apr 2024, Kurt Weiske said the following...

IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

BTW, Watergate was an inside CIA job to get rid of Nixon because he told the CIA that he knew who killed Johnny, AKA JFK.

Ok, that's a new one to me - please tell us more.

Nixon is the man so crooked that Hunter S. Thompson said he screwed his pants on in the morning...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2023/01/14/nixon_threatened_to_reveal_cia_inv olvement_in_jfk_murder_589135.html

https://www.independentsentinel.com/on-tape-nixon-warns-i-know-who-shot-john-jf k/

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/06/05/nixon-helms-cia-jfk-assassina tion-00037232

I can go on for days... CIA had some involvement in Watergate. Two of the 4 people were CIA operatives. Just because the CIA was involved with the break in doesn't mean Nixon was a saint... or whatever.

This was declassified recently.

I don't need to tell you more ... you need to do your homework. Google "Nixon I know who shot Johnny" and go down that rabbit hole on your own time.

Enjoy!!!

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On 26 Apr 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Really? What about Nixon?

You missed the point... Again.... They argued this... Nixon should have been impeached for his non-official act of breaking into the Democrat HQ.... Bla Bla Bla. Operative thing in your example... I assume Watergate is what you meant with Nixon... NON-OFFICIAL.

No, I never missed your point. I asked you, simply. "What about Nixon"?

Impeach the man in the House, have a trial in the Senate... Senate convicts and removes him... And he's now open for Criminal persecution, post impeachment.

You make the same silly argument that DT and his lawyers make before SCOTUS.

A president may well be impeached or not. The success of impeachment depends on the dutifulness of the congress/senate.

The GOP doesn't have a strong record for law and order.

A president who commits a crime could/should/would be charged with any crimes committed regardless of impeachment.

An impeachment and a trial are two different things. Impeachment removes a bad actor from office. An indictment of crimes will result in a trial. If convicted of any crimes the criminal will have to pay fines or do time in prison depending on the outcome.

Well no, he never "opened" the border.

Yes he did... He said come on up... you'll get free phones and stay at 5 star hotels and whatnot... There is a stronger argument that Biden opened the border up than Trump was guilty of campaign finance law issues over paying a porn star not to talk about a BJ she may or may not gave him.

That's just a baseless narrative.

True, Joe was never involved in human trafficing.

He enables it... Maybe they are paying the Big Guy 10%... Joe can send the military to the border tomorrow and shut the border down but he doesn't
Its also reported that Biden has lost over 80,000 some odd kids and since he stopped DNA testing they have not clue who they are giving the kids over to.

The GOP killed the best border deal made that was ready to be signed.

Lawfare? What is it about law and order that you hate so much?

you need to stop watching MSNBC, or Global...

No, you need to look at the facts.

That, like everything MAGA is completely unreasonable.

The US is a Republic. It is suppose to have the Constitution and the rule of law.

MAGA does not care about the constitution or the rule of law.

They took away many of the rights women have had for over fifty years so
I wouldn't be surprised what they do next.

They didn't take any rights away... They pushed it back to the States where it belonged ... 10th Amendment says so...

They sure did. Women in the USA have lost the right to privacy and to make their own choice.

Many women have already paid a price for this and there is more to come.

As we see today with the Trans stuff what the Democrats feel about women's rights.

"Trans stuff" has nothing to do with women's rights.

I don't think SCOTUS is going to be much help to ol' Donnie at this
point.

Sorry... I heard some of the questioning... And I think it's going in Trumps favor. Like usual you post nothing to support this claim. At least I posted some clips where the justices are asking questions or their questioning is being analyzed...
How did you come to this conclusion... Please persuade me... Unlike the left I'm open to hear some new ideas.

I am not trying to persuade you, I just don't think SCOTUS can under any circumstance agree to the argument Trump is making.

They will make their ruling soon enough and we'll all know.

Presidents have never had immunity before and have had no trouble.

They've all had immunity... Lincoln suspends Habeas Corpus... nothing... Roosevelt... sent Japanese to interment Camps... nothing... Truman bombed
Japanese citizens... NOT MILITARY... CITIZENS... when he dropped 2, not 1 but
nuclear bombs... nothing...

Sure, Japan attacked the US and the US responded. Any questions?

And YES... Trump told people that they had a 1st amendment right to go peacefully and let congress know how they feel.
Now... I hadn't finished my coffee and this is what I came up with...

Sure there is no question the citizens have a first amendment right.

That does not include an attack on the capitol, obviously.

If you're going to TTYL can you come up with a few facts to support your claims..

You either don't see, or don't care about facts.

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A president may well be impeached or not. The success of impeachment
depends on the dutifulness of the congress/senate.

The GOP doesn't have a strong record for law and order.

You're right that the GOP doesn't have a strong record for law and order.

They do have a strong record of chaos and disorder.

Not when it comes to policing the president. They do nothing while Biden's lawlessness kills thousands of people and puts American life on the line.
But just to be clear: The Democrat-led congress was equally worthless.

Why did the GOP kill the border deal?

The GOP (and MAGA) don't care about the border.

The GOP has spent more than a year in a ridiculous effort to impeach Biden without a crime. When they did have a president with a crime they didn't care about that either.

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A president may well be impeached or not. The success of impeachment depends on the dutifulness of the congress/senate.

The GOP doesn't have a strong record for law and order.

You're right that the GOP doesn't have a strong record for law and order. Not when it comes to policing the president. They do nothing while Biden's lawlessness kills thousands of people and puts American life on the line.

But just to be clear: The Democrat-led congress was equally worthless.

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On 27 Apr 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

No, I never missed your point. I asked you, simply. "What about Nixon"?

Ohhhh... I over thought it... He was a handsome man for his time... and his "Winkey" wasn't as big as LBJ's. The size of LBj's Johnson could be why Lady Bird was a drinker.

I hope that was more in line to your question on Nixon.

You make the same silly argument that DT and his lawyers make before SCOTUS.

These are arguments that are constitutional.

A president may well be impeached or not. The success of impeachment depends on the dutifulness of the congress/senate.

That's right... There has to be strong enough evidence to convict.

The GOP doesn't have a strong record for law and order.

Please site some evidence on this....

A president who commits a crime could/should/would be charged with any crimes committed regardless of impeachment.

Then we can start with charging Clinton, Bush and Obama... We can start with Obama for killing and American without due process.

And... I am confused... What crime did Trump commit??

An impeachment and a trial are two different things. Impeachment removes
a bad actor from office. An indictment of crimes will result in a trial. If convicted of any crimes the criminal will have to pay fines or do
time in prison depending on the outcome.

No... Maybe in the Canada your leader would pay a fine... This is the process in the US. If they had impeached Obama for the murder of a citizen... There could be a prosecutor or AG say no prosecutor would prosecute the case like Comey did with Hillary...

There is a constitution in the US... There is suppose to be laws... So.. You could impeach... and the Senate may not convict. The Senate could convict and all they give is a stern talking to... A partisan AG, in whatever jurisdiction could not advance it any further than the stern talking to.

The GOP killed the best border deal made that was ready to be signed.

Sorry., Biden by killing Trump's border policies. But then again... I say let Biden run on his policies .... They seem to be working...!!! Biden and his supporters must be sick of winning!!!

No, you need to look at the facts.

But yet you never support anything you say.

MAGA does not care about the constitution or the rule of law.

Where is the support on this?? Please site some examples so as I can better understand your claims.

They sure did. Women in the USA have lost the right to privacy and to
make their own choice.

They didn't loose anything, period. Roe should not have been a legal president to work with. The constitution was the final arbiter of that.

Here's a fact or 2. More babies were murdered in 2023 than any year prior, more, not less. As we stated last week... a so-called Christian Conservative Republican funded late-term abortion... last bill... And the US pays to abort babies in the Mexico.

You need to read the 10th Amendment and get back to us.

It's a States Rights issue... Some States you can kill you baby in the 9th and 10th month and others you may have to do it in the 1st trimester... kinda where normal people might seek out that treatment.

"Trans stuff" has nothing to do with women's rights.

Yes it does... They are squashing everything women have worked for this far... Ohhhh and I will give you this... If your Trans you can have all the abortions you want... The doctor may need assistance with a nurse to hold your testicles aside while they vacuum out your man-gina.

Sure, Japan attacked the US and the US responded. Any questions?

you missed a major point... The president at that time went to congress for approval each and every time that war was escalated. The last time the US was in a conflict that jives with the constitution was then. Nothing since... and we shouldn't be fighting them bi-proxi either.

You either don't see, or don't care about facts.

You have never presented any facts... Most everyone is waiting for the day you giver at least 1.

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You make the same silly argument that DT and his lawyers make before
SCOTUS.

These are arguments that are constitutional.

The arguments made by DT and his circus are not constitutional, they are silly.

The GOP doesn't have a strong record for law and order.

Please site some evidence on this....

As I stated earlier, the GOP "impeachment" of Joe Biden without a crime.

I could go on

A president who commits a crime could/should/would be charged with any
crimes committed regardless of impeachment.

Then we can start with charging Clinton, Bush and Obama... We can start with Obama for killing and American without due process.

Lay your charges if you think you have any.

And... I am confused...

Apparently.

What crime did Trump commit??

Are you serious!?

No, you need to look at the facts.

But yet you never support anything you say.

I have given you facts, you don't/won't/can't see them.

MAGA does not care about the constitution or the rule of law.

Where is the support on this?? Please site some examples so as I can better understand your claims.

Fact. The GOP killed a border deal negotiated by a republican who wanted action on the border. The president supported and wanted to sign the deal.

Donald Trump wanted talking points for the election, a narrative, and republicans (MAGA) gave it to him.

I hope that fact is not too hard for you to follow.

They sure did. Women in the USA have lost the right to privacy and to
make their own choice.

They didn't loose anything, period.

A bold statement. Inaccurate, but bold.

Roe should not have been a legal
president to work with. The constitution was the final arbiter of that.

Amy Coney Barret and Brett Kavanaugh both said that Roe v Wade was precedent, settled law at their hearings.

Here's a fact or 2. More babies were murdered in 2023 than any year prior, more, not less. As we stated last week... a so-called Christian Conservative Republican funded late-term abortion... last bill... And the US pays to abort babies in the Mexico.

That's just the MAGA narrative.

Women are and will continue to be harmed by these kind of policies.

You need to read the 10th Amendment and get back to us.

It's a States Rights issue... Some States you can kill you baby in the 9th and >10th month and others you may have to do it in the 1st trimester... kinda wher
normal people might seek out that treatment.

You are confused. States rights are not the same as women's rights.

A woman should be able to get the care she needs at all times. There is no need or place for lawyers, judges or law makers in any of that.

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Not when it comes to policing the president. They do nothing while Biden lawlessness kills thousands of people and puts American life on the line But just to be clear: The Democrat-led congress was equally worthless.

Why did the GOP kill the border deal?

The border deal sounded like a bad deal to me. I'm glad that they didn't vote for it. I'm not into fixing things with a band aid. I want a deal that includes border wall construction, mass deportations, and increased penalties for participating in illegal immigration.

The GOP (and MAGA) don't care about the border.

The GOP don't care about the border, but MAGA cares. A limit on illegal immigrants allowed per day is stupid. It's like putting a limit on the number of murders your allowed to do per day. 1 is too many!

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On 28 Apr 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

The arguments made by DT and his circus are not constitutional, they are silly.

In what way are they unconstitutional??? Site an example and where in the constitution do they lack?

As I stated earlier, the GOP "impeachment" of Joe Biden without a crime.

There has been no impeachment of Joe Biden thus far...

I could go on

Please do...

Lay your charges if you think you have any.

The US works a little different than Canada... There is a fundamental difference you don't seem to grasp when looking at a Constitutional Republic.

I have given you facts, you don't/won't/can't see them.

Sir, that's how convince someone that your point is valid.

Amy Coney Barret and Brett Kavanaugh both said that Roe v Wade was precedent, settled law at their hearings.

Nobody lost a right... as I said before the baby killing machine is stile alive and functioning. Even better than before.

You are confused. States rights are not the same as women's rights.

I am not confused... Please point out in the constitution where abortion is. I told you where the states rights supersedes the Federal government. Again the Baby Killing Machine is functioning just fine.

A woman should be able to get the care she needs at all times. There is
no need or place for lawyers, judges or law makers in any of that.

Women should not have sex with sperm producing people if they don't want to chance children. Women should consider aborting when the bay most resembles a clump of cells rather than a fully formed person. At some point the baby has rights... Though I am pro life... I can give the clump of cells being removed... But when the baby is fully formed and can live outside of the mother you've lost my support.

Since I vote in the US and you can't no one cares what you think.

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Yes sir... I have been learning a lot recently anyway... There was a
young child killed during Obama's drone strike... Looks like the family
is poised to sue the government if they remove immunity from Trump...

Oh what a tangled web!!!!

Which is why I believe that the case will go nowhere, and they know it. It a delay/harass case with no basis - and lots of problems for the Elitists if they "win".

But remember that the people calling the shots aren't the ones we see in the Media. The actual "movers and shakers" don't care if they hang their puppets out to dry.


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On 26 Apr 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Really? What about Nixon?

You missed the point...

No. Our Elitist Canuck didn't miss the point. He's trying to redirect you from the truth and into the Narrative. It's a common tactic of the Ignorant Elitists.


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The arguments made by DT and his circus are not constitutional, they are
silly.

In what way are they unconstitutional??? Site an example and where in the constitution do they lack?

Here's a small example for you..

The constitution does not give a president the right to break the law and then claim immunity.

As I stated earlier, the GOP "impeachment" of Joe Biden without a crime.

There has been no impeachment of Joe Biden thus far...

Jim Jordan, the house judiciary chair (the man is not a lawyer, he never passed the bar!) along with house oversight committee chair James Comer have declined or stopped investigations into Donald Trump and have been leading an investigation into what fox news calls "the Biden crime family".

Did you miss all that?

I could go on

Please do...

I will, not that I need your permission for anything.

Lay your charges if you think you have any.

The US works a little different than Canada... There is a fundamental difference you don't seem to grasp when looking at a Constitutional Republic.

OK, well lay your charges if you think you have any.

I have given you facts, you don't/won't/can't see them.

Sir, that's how convince someone that your point is valid.

I do not want or need to convince anyone.

Amy Coney Barret and Brett Kavanaugh both said that Roe v Wade was
precedent, settled law at their hearings.

Nobody lost a right... as I said before the baby killing machine is stile aliv
and functioning. Even better than before.

Women in the US have lost some basic rights and it is hurting them.

You are confused. States rights are not the same as women's rights.

I am not confused... Please point out in the constitution where abortion is. >told you where the states rights supersedes the Federal government. Again the
Baby Killing Machine is functioning just fine.

Are we talking about a women's rights, or states rights?

A woman should be able to get the care she needs at all times. There is
no need or place for lawyers, judges or law makers in any of that.

Women should not have sex with sperm producing people if they don't want to
chance children. Women should consider aborting when the bay most resembles a
clump of cells rather than a fully formed person. At some point the baby has rights... Though I am pro life... I can give the clump of cells being
removed... But when the baby is fully formed and can live outside of the mothe
you've lost my support.

Are you blaming the woman? I am sure you know a woman can't become pregnant on her own.

When a women chooses an abortion it usually happens like you say.

In 2020 5.8 percent of reported abortions took place during weeks 14-27, and 0.9 percent take place later than that.

Since I vote in the US and you can't no one cares what you think.

I'm not talking about voting. I am talking about basic human rights.

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Hello Alan,

[..]

Roe should not have been a legal president to work with. The constitution
was the final arbiter of that.

Amy Coney Barret and Brett Kavanaugh both said that Roe v Wade was precedent, settled law at their hearings.

They lied. Both of them. Not only did Brett Kavanaugh say he liked
beer, but he also said that he was not an alcoholic. As well as not
a rapist. And Amy Coney Barret backed him up, saying she was not and
has never been anybody's handmaiden ...

Here's a fact or 2. More babies were murdered in 2023 than any year prior,
more, not less. As we stated last week... a so-called Christian
Conservative Republican funded late-term abortion... last bill... And the
US pays to abort babies in the Mexico.

That's just the MAGA narrative.

Where are all these baby graves to be found? Infanticide is not
practices anywhere in the USA, or in Mexico. Maybe it is elsewhere,
in the dark regions of ones own mind. But nowhere else that I can
think of.

Women are and will continue to be harmed by these kind of policies.

Outlawing medical tools and techniques used by doctors and nurses
violate the very oath health professionals are sworm to keep - first
do no harm.

So who are the murderers? The politicians who insist on forcing
women who have been raped to give birth against their own will in
order to save the life of a rapist who deserves to be executed for
his crimes? And to be forced to pay for the needs and wants of that
child she never wanted in the first place? Talk about sick ...

If those so-called "pro-life" politicians are truly "pro-life" they
would be opening their own pocket books to pay for all the wants and
needs of both the mothers and babies of the hoodlums who raped them.
But we all know that will never happen. Not in this world, or the
next.

You need to read the 10th Amendment and get back to us.

It's a States Rights issue... Some States you can kill you baby in the 9th
and 10th month and others you may have to do it in the 1st trimester...
kinda wher normal people might seek out that treatment.

You are confused. States rights are not the same as women's rights.

Confused? Not at all. Here is the full text of AMENDMENT X -

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor probibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people.

I had a professor in college who had fun with this issue. Some of the
more conservative students were trying to use the 10th amendment as an
excuse to be able to do whatever the heck they wanted, claiming it was
states rights and not a matter for the feds to decide.

The professor was from Rochester, New York. He answered the students
questions with a question of his own -

"What are those rights?"

None of the students could provide him an answer.

A woman should be able to get the care she needs at all times.

The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.
Whenever that quality of health care is diminished, or eliminated,
it is a denial of our own very right to existence. As well as our
posterity.

There is no need or place for lawyers, judges or law makers in any of that.

If the first of all human rights does not exist, nothing else
really matters.

For Life,
Lee

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On 28 Apr 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Which is why I believe that the case will go nowhere, and they know it. It a delay/harass case with no basis - and lots of problems for the Elitists if they "win".

But remember that the people calling the shots aren't the ones we see in the Media. The actual "movers and shakers" don't care if they hang
their puppets out to dry.

If anyone going to need immunity it's Joe Biden.

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On 28 Apr 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

As I stated earlier, the GOP "impeachment" of Joe Biden without a crime >>

There has been no impeachment of Joe Biden thus far...

Jim Jordan, the house judiciary chair (the man is not a lawyer, he never passed the bar!) along with house oversight committee chair James Comer have declined or stopped investigations into Donald Trump and have been leading an investigation into what fox news calls "the Biden crime family".

Did you miss all that?

People are to investigate, to find fact, before they impeach. There has been no impeachment, or did you miss that.

About Jim Jordan and the Bar exam... He never took it to fail it... or did you miss something?? Most people in the House are not Lawyers, and you don't have to be. Whereas, the Senate is crawling with them.

:Start
Jordan graduated from the University of Wisconsin in 1986 with a bachelor's degree in economics. He subsequently earned a master's degree in education from Ohio State University and a J.D. from Capital University Law School in Columbus Ohio, though he never took the bar exam.
:Stop

The House investigates finds cause and facts and passes this over to prosecutors and people equipped to argue the case.

Just like in real life... Cops are not lawyers, they investigate.

BTW, I think Jim Jordan has been re-elected 14 times and has done a great job for his constituents.

I could go on

Please do...

I will, not that I need your permission for anything.

Don't ask stupid questions...

Women in the US have lost some basic rights and it is hurting them.

Women haven't lost a thing... Abortions are still happening, at a record rate, and being funded by the government.

Roe was not about the woman's right to choose as it was for a doctor's ability to perform the procedure.

Are we talking about a women's rights, or states rights?

Democrats had a chance to codify Roe... They didn't and it was pushed back to the state. The only thing that has changed is that some States say you can't kill the baby in the 2nd or 3rd term of the pregnancy... unless there is an issue with the mother's life.

In the US there is only a small percentage of people who believe you should kill a baby in the 8th, 9th and 10th month. Whereas the support for abortion increases to ~70% if it's done in the first trimester.

Each state get to chose what they want... People of that state can make themselves heard... And if your a woman that uses abortion as a form of birth control you may have to move to a different state or kill your baby in the 1st trimester.

Are you blaming the woman? I am sure you know a woman can't become pregnant on her own.

They are the ones who get pregnant. I say that they should stop taking risks...

Since it takes 2... I believe the birth father should have the right to raise the unwanted baby before the mother kills it.

I'm not talking about voting. I am talking about basic human rights.

Basic human rights?? of the baby??

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

If anyone going to need immunity it's Joe Biden.

Realistically, he won't live the year. His dimensia is so bad, they must be pumping him full of drugs to keep him going. So he has "immunity", but it's a different kind.

The rest of the operatives, however, certainly will need immunity.

Strangely, if you look at all the Bozos in the current Regime, the one who least needs it is Kamala - who (and I hesitate to use the word) intelligently kept to the background.


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IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

People are to investigate, to find fact, before they impeach. There
has been no impeachment, or did you miss that.

Alan willfully ignores any facts that violate his Narrative.

Don't ask stupid questions...

That's not possible for Alan.

Roe was not about the woman's right to choose as it was for a doctor's ability to perform the procedure.

Roe was a power grab by the Feds to illegally take away power from the states.

It really had little to do with abortion.

Each state get to chose what they want... People of that state can make themselves heard... And if your a woman that uses abortion as a form
of birth control you may have to move to a different state or kill your baby in the 1st trimester.

But remember that to the Elitists, us plebes are too stupid to think for ourselves and we need the Elitists to make our decisions for us. So anything that lets the plebes decide must be a bad thing.

They are the ones who get pregnant. I say that they should stop taking risks...

Going back to my point above, the Ignorant Elitists believe that women are just animals who have no control over themselves and that they just "get pregnant".

Overall, the Elitists think that us plebes are just a bunch of mindless animals that they need to "control" before we mess up the planet.


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People are to investigate, to find fact, before they impeach. There has been no impeachment, or did you miss that.

You need a crime to investigate. There is none.

The House investigates finds cause and facts and passes this over to prosecutors and people equipped to argue the case.

The house has not been investigating a crime. They are on a fidhing expedition, looking for a crime.

BTW, I think Jim Jordan has been re-elected 14 times and has done a great job for his constituents.

Yep, he has been there for a long time. No accomplishments yet.

I will, not that I need your permission for anything.

Don't ask stupid questions...

That was not a question.

Each state get to chose what they want...

The woman (NOT the state) needs to make her own choice.

Are you blaming the woman? I am sure you know a woman can't become
pregnant on her own.

They are the ones who get pregnant. I say that they should stop taking risks...

Maybe the man should stop taking risks.

Since it takes 2... I believe the birth father should have the right to raise the unwanted baby before the mother kills it.

If the birth father gives birth to the baby he can do that, as long as it's OK with the state!

I'm not talking about voting. I am talking about basic human rights.

Basic human rights??

Yes.

of the baby??

The human.

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On 30 Apr 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Realistically, he won't live the year. His dimensia is so bad, they
must be pumping him full of drugs to keep him going. So he has "immunity", but it's a different kind.

The rest of the operatives, however, certainly will need immunity.

Strangely, if you look at all the Bozos in the current Regime, the one
who least needs it is Kamala - who (and I hesitate to use the word) intelligently kept to the background.

This is all true... I wish I was not red pilled and had died an ignorant. What a blissful life that would have been.

Now I have to contend with knowing about this steaming bag of Sh!t my children and grandchildren will be inheriting in the future.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

This is all true... I wish I was not red pilled and had died an
ignorant. What a blissful life that would have been.

Yes, ignorance is bliss. In my case, my dad made sure that my BS detector was fully functional. So I started picking up on all this BS way back in high school. "Dad, why are they training us all to be Union Workers in high school?"

Now I have to contend with knowing about this steaming bag of Sh!t my children and grandchildren will be inheriting in the future.

This mess will certainly take many generations to fix. Trump needs to choose his VP wisely because we need someone to continue the work after he leaves office.


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