• More on the search for the mafic spell

    From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 14 21:00:34 2026

    If you recall I was after a configuration that would allow a Pi 4 or 5
    to act in addition to its generic operation as a server on the network,
    to also act as a wifi access point.

    I have *sort of* succeeded.

    The general process is to down the wifi and Ethernet interfaces, create
    a bridge interface as master and slave the two other interfaces (Thernet
    and wifi) to it

    The bridge interface has all the IP stuff attached to it.

    The Wifi interface has instructions to be an access point and have an
    SSID, securitry and so on.


    Ultimately I discovered that all this does is create and edit files in

    /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections and frankly this is probably the easiest way to do it

    Here are the three files I created via nmcli

    # more br0.nmconnection
    [connection]
    id=br0
    uuid=db3fc586-63b4-43f6-9cf3-efd207086553
    type=bridge
    interface-name=nm-bridge
    timestamp=1768417618

    [ethernet]

    [bridge]
    stp=false

    [ipv4]
    address1=192.168.0.101/24,192.168.0.254
    dns=192.168.0.101;
    method=manual

    [ipv6]
    addr-gen-mode=default
    method=disabled

    [proxy]


    -----------------------------------

    # more Garden.nmconnection
    [connection]
    id=Garden
    uuid=f977bba8-bda3-404b-89c3-57c959c8b1fd
    type=wifi
    interface-name=wlan0
    master=db3fc586-63b4-43f6-9cf3-efd207086553
    slave-type=bridge
    timestamp=1768410601

    [wifi]
    band=bg
    channel=9
    mode=ap
    powersave=2
    ssid=MyGarden

    [wifi-security]
    key-mgmt=wpa-psk
    psk=rottenRatz

    [bridge-port] --------------------------------------------------------------------

    # more Ethernet.nmconnection
    [connection]
    id=Ethernet
    uuid=4a8b7eb6-678a-47e2-b5b2-416cc800438f
    type=ethernet
    interface-name=eth0
    master=db3fc586-63b4-43f6-9cf3-efd207086553
    slave-type=bridge
    timestamp=1768409686

    [ethernet]

    [bridge-port]

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Now for the problems:

    First of all I cant get the Pi4B to do more than 72Mbps. I *think* this
    is a hardware limit

    More importantly if any connected wifi clients try to use the
    *internet*, response is flaky as fuck. 50%+ packet loss

    But wifi clients connected via the Pi WiFi can access the *LAN*
    smoothly. No packet loss.

    Wifi clients attached via any other access point can access the internet smoothly.

    Just not *wifi clients attached via the pi*....

    I am struggling to understand how a device can access the LAN perfectly
    but not the Internet.

    Any ideas?

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    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From c186282@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 15 12:00:02 2026
    On 1/14/26 16:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    If you recall I was after a configuration that would allow a Pi 4 or 5
    to act in addition to its generic operation as a server on the network,
    to also act as a wifi access point.

    I have *sort of* succeeded.

    The general process is to down the wifi and Ethernet interfaces, create
    a bridge interface as master and slave the two other interfaces (Thernet
    and wifi) to it

    The bridge interface has all the IP stuff attached to it.

    The Wifi interface has instructions to be an access point and have an
    SSID, securitry and so on.


    Ultimately I discovered that all this does is create and edit files in

    /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections and frankly this is probably the easiest way to do it

    Here are the three files I created via nmcli

    # more br0.nmconnection
    [connection]
    id=br0
    uuid=db3fc586-63b4-43f6-9cf3-efd207086553
    type=bridge
    interface-name=nm-bridge
    timestamp=1768417618

    [ethernet]

    [bridge]
    stp=false

    [ipv4]
    address1=192.168.0.101/24,192.168.0.254
    dns=192.168.0.101;
    method=manual

    [ipv6]
    addr-gen-mode=default
    method=disabled

    [proxy]


    -----------------------------------

    # more Garden.nmconnection
    [connection]
    id=Garden
    uuid=f977bba8-bda3-404b-89c3-57c959c8b1fd
    type=wifi
    interface-name=wlan0
    master=db3fc586-63b4-43f6-9cf3-efd207086553
    slave-type=bridge
    timestamp=1768410601

    [wifi]
    band=bg
    channel=9
    mode=ap
    powersave=2
    ssid=MyGarden

    [wifi-security]
    key-mgmt=wpa-psk
    psk=rottenRatz

    [bridge-port] --------------------------------------------------------------------

    # more Ethernet.nmconnection
    [connection]
    id=Ethernet
    uuid=4a8b7eb6-678a-47e2-b5b2-416cc800438f
    type=ethernet
    interface-name=eth0
    master=db3fc586-63b4-43f6-9cf3-efd207086553
    slave-type=bridge
    timestamp=1768409686

    [ethernet]

    [bridge-port]

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I've set up Pi2s3s4s as 'servers' before, it was
    never THIS complex however. A PI is just a very
    small Linux box. Alas if you need multiple net
    ports you may need to think of USB dongles.

    Oh, 'nmcli' ... if you have to add THIS much junk
    faster to manually edit the config file. Actually
    I posted instructions on that about a year+ ago.
    The NM GUI app is fairly capable too, IF you
    have a GUI on yer PI. Not all do, hence my post.

    Now for the problems:

    First of all I cant get the Pi4B to do more than 72Mbps. I *think* this
    is a hardware limit

    Net/USB/WiFi speed ratings for PIs are almost always
    "best case" ... actually they're kinda LIES. The P4
    was much better, P5s even better, but it's not gonna
    be like a PCI card plugged into your Big Box.

    More importantly if˙ any connected wifi clients try to use the
    *internet*, response is flaky as fuck. 50%+˙ packet loss

    WiFi is finniky as all hell. Recently had a PI getting
    a super-crappy signal, tons of dropped packets - moved
    it FOUR inches, no obvious obstacles involved, and now
    have a 4X or 5X speed increase and almost never a
    dropped packet. Note 2ghz tends to be more forgiving
    than 5ghz - 'slower' CAN be faster in some circumstances.

    But wifi clients connected via the Pi WiFi˙ can access the *LAN*
    smoothly. No packet loss.

    Wifi clients attached via any other access point can access the internet smoothly.

    Just not *wifi clients attached via the pi*....

    I am struggling to understand how a device can access the LAN perfectly
    but not the Internet.

    Any ideas?

    DO check to see if your DNS and router base address
    are correct. I had to get a new router and all my
    clients were still pointed at the old base address.
    They'd (usually) work OK on the LAN, but you could
    not get updates or any other internet stuff.

    /etc/dhcpcd is the place to start. Also use NM to
    look at all those device defs. Tweaking those things
    fixed MY internet problems. Just ONE number mal-typed,
    ONE mistaken, number is enough to screw up everything.


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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)