On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:

Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?

Apart from the awkwardness of searching for "pi zero and not W and not
2W", everywhere seems to be out of stock and the locator hasn't helped ...

I can't recall ever seeing one at all, ever.

All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all
over Russia... :-)

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On 10/07/2026 11:12, Andy Burns wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?

Searching by SKU (SC0019) found them, and Rapid Electronics have stock

Bugger me. They do exist!

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On 10/07/2026 16:45, Andy Burns wrote:

s|b wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all
over Russia... :-)

Must have not found out about this one:

<https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-boards-behuizingen-uitbreidingen-en-accessoires-59/raspberry-pi-zero-versie-1-3-2840>

I was limiting myself to UK suppliers, one is now winging its way to me,
I still maintain that without the SKU, its not very searchable,
everything tends to return zeroW or zero2W.

Well yes, as I said I had no idea such a beast existed.

TBH the couple of extra quid for the wifi doesn't bother me much

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On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 11:52:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I can't recall ever seeing one at all, ever.

All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all
over Russia... :-)

Must have not found out about this one:

<https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-boards-behuizingen-uitbreidingen-en-accessoires-59/raspberry-pi-zero-versie-1-3-2840>

Available: 149 pcs

(No WiFi or BT.)

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On 10/07/2026 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:

Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?

Apart from the awkwardness of searching for "pi zero and not W and not
2W", everywhere seems to be out of stock and the locator hasn't
helped ...

I can't recall ever seeing one at all, ever.

All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all
over Russia... :-)

Unless they are using these:
https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/ai-hat-plus-2
John


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On 11/07/2026 14:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030

but WHICH Pi Zero?

(According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)

There are Pi ZERO, Pi ZERO W, Pi ZERO 2W,...with or without headers

The presence of absence of headers is beside the point.

The boards each have their own product pages and their own obsolescence statements (which all currently say January 2030).


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Cheers,
Daniel.

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On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:

Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?

*Obsolescence Statement*

Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030

(According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)


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Daniel.

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On 11/07/2026 12:40, Daniel James wrote:

On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:

Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?

*Obsolescence Statement*

Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030

but WHICH Pi Zero?

(According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)

There are Pi ZERO, Pi ZERO W, Pi ZERO 2W,...with or without headers




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Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:

On 11/07/2026 14:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030

but WHICH Pi Zero?

(According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)

There are Pi ZERO, Pi ZERO W, Pi ZERO 2W,...with or without headers

The presence of absence of headers is beside the point.

The boards each have their own product pages and their own obsolescence statements (which all currently say January 2030).

I think a lot of OS folks want to get rid of ARMv6, so I would not be
surprised if OSes start dropping support soon after that date. Aside from
the Pi 2 v1.1/1.2 (Cortex A7), everything after that supports 64 bit Linux.

Interesting, the Pi 2 obsolesence notice (the only one so far) says end of
life was 16 October 2025 but the last shipment date was 30 June 2026. So there's still about 9 months after EOL before production actually stops,
which means Raspberry Pi OS support will likely have to continue some time after 2030. But other OSes may well drop support sooner.

Theo

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On 11/07/2026 14:52, Daniel James wrote:

On 11/07/2026 14:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030

but WHICH Pi Zero?

(According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)

There are Pi ZERO, Pi ZERO W, Pi ZERO 2W,...with or without headers

The presence of absence of headers is beside the point.

The boards each have their own product pages and their own obsolescence statements (which all currently say January 2030).

Ah. i only saw one generic statement

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authorities are wrong.?

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On 12/07/2026 11:03, druck wrote:

Running 64 bit code on something with only 512MB is very painful, I
tried and gave up on a Pi 3A+, where as you can just about get away with
it on the 1GB Pi 3B+.

Running a GUI desktop is painful on 1GB, manageable (at a pinch) on 2GB.
I find that to be true pretty-much regardless of whether the code is
32-bit or 64-bit.

Running 64-bit code without a GUI -- for example on a headless device
running a web server and/or ssh -- seems to be fine in 512MB, or at
least as fine as the same thing in 32 bits.

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On 12/07/2026 17:47, Daniel James wrote:

Running 64-bit code without a GUI -- for example on a headless device running a web server and/or ssh -- seems to be fine in 512MB, or at
least as fine as the same thing in 32 bits.

Yes. In tjeh Great Changeover when people were arguing their tits poof
about 64 bit versos 32 bit. I just installed 64 bit because I could.
I noticed no significant difference is speed, memory usage or disk space.

Some graphics heavy shit was a bit faster

You cant really run a GUI on a Zero, once you get rid of that its got
bags of RAM for a dedicated application, 32 or 64 bit
e.g.
$ free -m
total used free shared
buff/cache available
Mem: 429 62 146 34 220
278
Swap: 99 0 99


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