On 22/02/2024 13:19, The Last Doctor wrote:
The Coca Cola Kid <thecocacolakid@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 9:19:44 PM UTC-5, The True Doctor wrote:
On 21/02/2024 23:38, The Coca Cola Kid wrote:
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Remember when this group was actually fun,.. when people made quote
files because there was a lot of quote worthy content here? When people >>>> made yearly Adric Awards, that the whole group participated in voting
on? When there were Top Ten Lists, and Doctor Who related surveys and
questionnaires that received lots of on-topic responses?
And, of course, the lovely canon debates. When two stories blatantly
contradicted each other, we would debate about which version is
canonical. Sadly, the gits who said 'Everything is Canon' won. Now,
nobody cares. Everything is canon and nothing is canon.
Chibnall destroyed all canon with the Timeless Child monster, including
the basis of Matt Smith's whole story arc.
It would have been destroyed either way. Chibnall was just a Yes Man who
doing what the Corporation wanted. The destruction of canon began long
ago, with Jean-Marc L'officier arguing for a hard reboot since before he
even posted here, and people like Paul Cornell and his friends pushing
for a more 'squishy' and ambiguous reboot. Either way, many of the
authors, even in the VIrgin Era, had just as much contempt for the audience as Chibnall did
The show has always had a blithe disregard for its own continuity, with new “lore” superseding older almost from day one but certainly through the late
sixties right up until the hiatus. Each new show runner - as they are now known - has brought their own vision and direction for the show with them.
You mean like race swapping Isaac Newton and making him Indian? No one
was so insane as to do that in the past before the show went woke and is
now being run by unrestrained self centred nepotists and chauvinistic
bigots like RTD.
If something was added to the lore in the past it was done in a way so
that it was consistent with the Doctor's origin story, not by writing a completely different one and turning the main protagonist into a
completely different character who is now a mass murdering genocidal
monster.
One of the main problems the revived show has faced is in my view the very auteurial role played by the new show runners - in short, they wrote far
too much of the material themselves. Every season opener and closer, every special - and Chibnall brought that to its ultimate expression with a
writers credit on all but seven of his episodes - including every single
one of his last twelve.
Chibnall was so lacking in talent and writing ability that he only hired writers who were worse that he was so that they would not show him up.
How could any sane person possibly expect a bunch of degenerate soap
opera hacks and political playwrights, the lowest of the low in the
writing world, to write science fiction, the most difficult genre it is possible to write next to comedy.
This is too close - a clear conflict of interest where the show runner is incapable of taking an objective view of the work until it’s too late. As a result the overall story quality has suffered down the years. I’m hoping RTD can step back to where he’s delivering under 50% of the stories at least - but with the reduced episode count per season now, it seems
unlikely.
There is a complete lack or editorial control at the BBC. It's as if the people in charge of drama have so many skeletons in their closets that
they dare not speak out against bad writing or anything that is being
sold as being woke, when it constitutes the epitome of sexism, racism,
bigotry and intolerance.
We've known from when Eccleston quit the series that RTD and his fellow executive producers were tyrannical megalomaniacs that bullied the
members of their productions teams and actors that dared to challenge
them by making suggestions about how the writing on the show, the
characters and characterisation, lighting, sets, costumes, make up,
acting and directing could be improved.
I don’t agree that Chibnall had contempt for the audience - rather, he fell
Chibnall had contempt for the entire series and his predecessors from
the classic era and totally despised both it and them. He was totally disrespectful to the audience and anyone who did not share the same woke bigoted views and him. Why else would he have systematically
contradicted and destroyed Terrance Dicks entire legacy?
Why else did he attack Pip and Jane Baker, two of the better writers of
the late JNT era, and writers whose writing was far superior to anything
he has ever written for Doctor Who.
in love with his own concept of how to re-imagine the Cartmel Master Plan
and as a result delivered a clumsy, over complicated set of changes that
were unnecessary and unwanted without adding anything of value to the
legend of the Doctor other than finally laying to rest the regeneration
limit issue.
Without a regeneration limit there's no stakes involved as you know the
Doctor is never going to die, and now it's even worse when every
regeneration is a bigeneration so there's always going to be a backup.
This show is being written by a bunch of imbeciles whose heads are stuck
up their own arses.
His vision of a more “every day drama” feel for the show just didn’t work:
You mean soap opera.
it jarred badly with the content of the show, resulting in flat direction, weird pacing, a lack of exciting new villains and a lack of character engagement and development for the companions.
Domestic kitchen sink drama does not belong in the genre of science
fiction. Science fiction is not about petty interpersonal relationships
and meaningless gossip, and everyday life, things that intelligent
people want to escape from by watching TV, it's about the affect of
science, technology, and engineering, now thoughts, concepts, and ideas,
and man's battle against nature and heroic journey to better himself.
The main audience for science fiction has always been aspirational men,
and hijacking and changing it on order to attract more women to watch it
will only drive away viewers and readers of both genders, because all
that attracted them to watch it and which stimulated their minds has
been replaced by constant stupidity and illogical magic in place of
rational thought and logical analysis and decoction. Imbecilic women
between the ages of 35 to 44 of low intelligence and social standing,
and with no aspiration either for themselves or their children, from the
C2, D, and E socio-economic groups don't understand science fiction,
don't watch it, and never will, because they're only interested in
themselves; they can't and won't accept anything that's challenging or different.
Then the COVID affected Flux, with its rushed and dropped plot threads, confusing re-use of actors to represent ancient historical action,
pointless secondary characters and wasted opportunities for the historical figures thrown into the mix, sealed the fate of this era as something to be more regretted than remembered fondly.
Flux was written by the mind of a 6 year old child with autism. Any
decent editor of drama would have thrown Chibnall's degenerate writing
into the bin. Maybe covid saved it from being even worse.
It’s notable that Chibnall was at his best when delivering fan service: as a writer under RTD and Moffat his best work was a homage to Doctor Who and the Silurians, and the best episodes of his own era were his Dalek episodes and the very backward looking Power of the Doctor.
Under Davies and Moffat Chibnall's scripts were completely re-written by
both show runners because they were so bad and amateurish. Look at the
total stupidity of 42 even after the re-writes.
People actually used to discuss the extended media releases every
single month when they were released. When was the last time that
someone discussed a Doctor Who book or audio here?
I tried every now and again over the last few years but gave up when my admittedly probably dull and overlong thoughts were met with silence (other than the obligatory re-post and incoherent 3-5 word response from Dave).
Mostly audio as I can’t focus on books the way I could 40 years ago, and have to fit in a real life as well.
Tim's constant spamming made discovering new subjects and Doctor Who
related material almost impossible and killed off the group to new members.
…
It really amuses me how you call Chibnall the 'woke' one, since he wrote
some of the most un-woke scripts prior to becoming show runner, including
Day One, Cyberwoman, and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Of all the three show
runners, RTD was and is probably the most 'woke', but even he is probably
leaning so heavily into it for financial and self-preservation reasons,
just like Moffat and Chibnall had to.
Woke is the modern zeitgeist and to be relatable to a modern young audience the show has to reflect that.
Real young people despise everything that is woke. What they want is to
be entertained and escapism, just as they have done for over 4500 years
since the time of Gilgamesh. It's only a bunch of self loathing, self
hating, autistic far left extremists that represent no one but
themselves, and have no creativity whatsoever that think woekry is
relatable because they understand nothing and want to destroy what
others have and they don't, because they hate everything.
Wokery is pure fascism and totalitarian thought control because
political correctness was invented by Marx and Stalin in order to
suppress all opposition to their ideology of hate and revolution where
those claiming to oppressed become the oppressors themselves, since
Marxism of which fascism is a derivative is all about constant
revolution. That's what you get when you don't listen to Plato and fail
to reward merit.
The primary audience for the show always
needs to be 8-14 year olds and their parents. We, the older fans, are quite
So the question is why are disgusting perverts like RTD trying to preach
their degenerate sexual agenda on them? Adults are not going to change
their sexuality because a sick pervert turns Doctor Who into a
representation of his own self, so their aim must be to sexually groom
and brainwash children who are too young to even understand what sex and sexuality even are. That's what wokery all all about. A a hate filled
minority attempting to control and enslave the majority. That's not what people want to watch especially when it always lead to bad writing.
naturally left behind and if we can find something still to enjoy in the latest iteration of the show, which has now become an outright fantasy series, well that’s just a bonus.
Because the writing has become totally degenerate as have the writers,
and plays second fiddle to the message. It's totally sickening. It's the complete opposite of what science fiction has always stood for which is
to fight against brainwashing, grooming, oppression, totalitarianism,
and for the freedom of thought, speech, and expression.
Oh well, too bad we could not have a more extended debate on this, but
the time is almost up.
Hasta el fuego.
Farewell Jon. May the road rise to meet your feet.
--
The True Doctor
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." -William Shatner
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