Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"?
That is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the
taste or quality, either by rewriting it or making a follow up story
that makes it look better.
Mickmane wrote:
Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
flinch. Didn't look good.
He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri and
then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look good!
It was all downhill after that...
Mickmane wrote:
On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri
and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look
good!
I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
might not have been too sane.
No other Doctor did it!
Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer) as
Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle her got
the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top of the awful
coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth Doctor anyway.
13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing
with the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe
kid" nonsense.
1st Doctor:
The Space Museum
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
It wasn't that the Doctor almost strangled Peri that was so bad, it
was that they never followed up or addressed it on screen in any way.
REgen crisis was a bad idea!
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
"Mickmane" <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote in news:G$mX9HaLczB@ATH:
13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing
with the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe
kid" nonsense.
This is why I chose Flux to rewrite, to cast (more) doubt on whether
the Division and the woman who claims to be Tecteun are just messing
with her.
I also would have reused the villains from "Can You Hear Me?" for
Flux, instead of the new ones Chibnall created.
no! You need to rewrite the Timeless Child out of the Doctor Who Lore!
REgen crisis was a bad idea!
Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At least
they tried to do something different with it, even if the execution
was lacking.
They never were until JN-T introduced it!
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
REgen crisis was a bad idea!
Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At
least they tried to do something different with it, even if
the execution was lacking.
In article <ut39cl$2o6lv$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
They never were until JN-T introduced it!
Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part
of his first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th
Doctors copied this.
But not unstable!
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At least >>>>they tried to do something different with it, even if the execution
was lacking.
They never were until JN-T introduced it!
Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part of his
first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied
this.
But not unstable!
Terrance Dicks own novelization confirmed that the 4th Doctor acted
really strange and bonkers for an extended period after his
regeneration, although much of it was offscreen, such as his first >>encounter with Xoanon. The 11th Doctor's intro copied this.
Oh? The 111th Doctor was trying to get control.
The 4th Doctor was very conscious when he arose.
The 7th and 8th Doctors were very unsure of who they were for a while.
JNT
The 6th Doctor's regeneration crisis could have been better executed.
In a later scene, a parallel was implied between Hugo almost shooting
the Doctor, thinking he had kidnapped the Twins and destroyed his
fleet, and the Doctor almost killing Peri, because they both had >>experienced traumas, but the direction of the story does not make it
clear.
JNT
Agent Jakanov wrote:
Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At
least they tried to do something different with it, even if
the execution was lacking.
Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
through post-regeneration.
Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
The Doctor wrote:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
through post-regeneration.
Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
But Tegan and Nysaa might have got in the way.
If the crisis got so bad that he had to strangle Tegan too...
<shrugs>
In article <ut4c6f$2uq53$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part of his
first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied >>>>this.
But not unstable!
IYIO.
How were they unstable?
Terrance Dicks own novelization confirmed that the 4th Doctor acted >>>>really strange and bonkers for an extended period after his >>>>regeneration, although much of it was offscreen, such as his first >>>>encounter with Xoanon. The 11th Doctor's intro copied this.
Oh? The 111th Doctor was trying to get control.
The 4th Doctor was very conscious when he arose.
But very unstable. Xoanon is the proof!
When did The Doctor first meet Xoanon?
while.The 7th and 8th Doctors were very unsure of who they were for a
JNT
8th Doctor was not JNT.
But neither were a radical departure.
But not unstable!
IYIO.
How were they unstable?
YMMV.
The No Comment approach
When did The Doctor first meet Xoanon?
One night 'near the beginning of that business with the Giant Robot',
the Doctor took off in the TARDIS for a little ride; this led him into
his original adventure with the Mordee and Xoanon. Afterwards, the
TARDIS returned him to Earth within a few minutes of his departure,
[so] no one ever knew that he'd been away.'
Doubt it!
JNT
8th Doctor was not JNT.
But neither were a radical departure.
So what? Radical departures aren't always bad, as long as they're >>justified on screen.
IYIO
"Mickmane" <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote in news:G$mX9HaLczB@ATH:
13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing
with the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe
kid" nonsense.
This is why I chose Flux to rewrite, to cast (more) doubt on whether
the Division and the woman who claims to be Tecteun are just messing
with her.
I also would have reused the villains from "Can You Hear Me?" for
Flux, instead of the new ones Chibnall created.
Mickmane wrote:
On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
flinch. Didn't look good.
He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri
and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look
good!
I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
might not have been too sane.
No other Doctor did it!
Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer) as
Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle her got
the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top of the awful
coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth Doctor anyway.
Agent Jakanov wrote:
Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At
least they tried to do something different with it, even if
the execution was lacking.
Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
through post-regeneration.
Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
In article <xn0oje8jx3st04o00c@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
In fairness, a regeneration crisis doesn't have to mean
physically attacking your companion. It's just Saward/JNT
thought it'd be a good idea for the Sixth Doctor.
IT was a bad idea!
The Third Doctor attacking Liz Shaw would have been unthinkable!
Exactly!!
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Agent Jakanov wrote:
Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who.
At least they tried to do something different with it, even
if the execution was lacking.
Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
through post-regeneration.
Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
Why strangle Adric?
Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that was
a good idea!
Also, it would have saved time and money on having to arrange a
space freighter to crash in to Earth just to get rid of him! :-)
Mickmane wrote:
You mean the clown outfit? I thought that was refreshing, or
at least funny. :)
I don't think JNT saw it as a "clown outfit", I'm sure he had a
deeper meaning in mind when he came up with the idea...
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
Why strangle Adric?
Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that was
a good idea!
Also, it would have saved time and money on having to arrange a
space freighter to crash in to Earth just to get rid of him! :-)
Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"? That
is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the taste or quality, either by rewriting it or making a follow up story that makes
it look better.
The Last Doctor wrote:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures
that the production team were under - especially in those
early days.
The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC
not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor
Who episodes on them!
Mickmane wrote:
On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
Why strangle Adric?
Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that
was a good idea!
Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to
rewatch to get an idea of what she was like.
You don't remember Peri?!
I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have stood
out!!!
I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
that I had a 'thing' for...
Also, it would have saved time and money on having to
arrange a space freighter to crash in to Earth just to get
rid of him! :-)
Lol!
But then what would have wiped out the dinos?
Oh, I dunno ... maybe an asteroid? ;-)
The Last Doctor wrote:
But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to
consider all of our ingredients as lemons.
I'd just concentrate on the lemons of Doctor Who 1987-89 to make
a special recipe lemonade which I'd market as "McCoy's Vintage
Lemonade" !
The Last Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 11:30 pm:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Last Doctor wrote:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures that
the production team were under - especially in those early days.
The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC not
to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor Who
episodes on them!
Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.
The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291
weeks from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode
needed. So no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more
stories otherwise, and with even less time to refine and develop each
story.
It was a punishing delivery pace
Did Coronation St keep up such a punishing pace back then ..... or did
they that a couple of months off each year??
On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have
stood out!!!
Names and I... I have to check what happens in that episode...
Google mentions her being rescued from drowning, and I
remember that and that she ended up in the TARDIS after.
She still doesn't stand out.
I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
that I had a 'thing' for...
I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any
companion. :P
Mickmane wrote:
On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have
stood out!!!
Names and I... I have to check what happens in that episode...
Google mentions her being rescued from drowning, and I
remember that and that she ended up in the TARDIS after.
She still doesn't stand out.
Peri had a couple of good points.
I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
that I had a 'thing' for...
I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any
companion. :P
Neither have I for the last few decades...
In article <utbo2u$p24n$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
A soap is a very different beast from an episodic science fiction show, no >> matter what Aggie claims about modern Who.
Well depends on who is more popular.
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