That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
On 2024-04-07 19:43:02 +0000, Steve #92525 said:
That's a pittance!˙ How are we supposed to live on that?
Budget cuts are everywhere. Other UK shows like Vera and Midsomer
Murders have also had shortened seasons in recent years (even ignoring
the Covid lockdown years).˙ :-(
But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42 episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting smaller ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was already down
to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started with the
ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has continued
to shrink.
Note: Those numbers of episodes do not count any specials (Christmas,
New Year, anniversary, etc.).
On 4/7/2024 17:46, Your Name wrote:
But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting
smaller ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was
already down to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor
only got 14 episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started
with the ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has
continued to shrink.
And that's not exclusive to Dr. Who. Take a look at any show from the
50's or early 60's from anywhere, and you will find that the number of episodes in a season were enormous compared to today's seasons.
Usually 32-36 episodes was the norm at first...then things settled down
to 24-26, then the super short seasons we have now for most shows
(there are a scant few here in the US that are still around 20
episodes).
In article <r%GQN.496014$ET2.266572@fx12.ams4>,
Hornplayer9599 <Hornplayer9599@aol.com> wrote:
On 4/7/2024 17:46, Your Name wrote:
But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting smaller >>> ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was already down
to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started with the
ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has continued
to shrink.
And that's not exclusive to Dr. Who. Take a look at any show from the
50's or early 60's from anywhere, and you will find that the number of
episodes in a season were enormous compared to today's seasons. Usually
32-36 episodes was the norm at first...then things settled down to
24-26, then the super short seasons we have now for most shows (there
are a scant few here in the US that are still around 20 episodes).
13 is preferable, but it is better than none!
That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
--
Steven J. MacInbaney
Professional mime assassin
In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
--
Steven J. MacInbaney
Professional mime assassin
We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a >> Xmas special).
Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
(9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April 2010 to 09 >> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a >> year.
And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year. >>
So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is. >> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh Doctors between >> 1985 and 1989 …
REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
a Season!
In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
--
Steven J. MacInbaney
Professional mime assassin
We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
Xmas special).
Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
(9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the >>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April 2010 to 09
December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a >>>> year.
And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09 >>>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year. >>>>
So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes >>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like >>>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and >>>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh Doctors between
1985 and 1989 …
REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
a Season!
I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall >> it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was >> 26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about >> 24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times) that’s >> 10 hours a season, not 13.
Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes (7.5 hours). >> But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
years gone.
Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.
In article <uv1c7b$3ldrh$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,2010 to 09
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
--
Steven J. MacInbaney
Professional mime assassin
We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
Xmas special).
Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023 >>>>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the >>>>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April
Doctors betweenDecember 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a
year.
And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year.
So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes >>>>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh
1985 and 1989 …
REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
a Season!
I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times) that’s
10 hours a season, not 13.
Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes (7.5 hours).
But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40 >>>> years gone.
Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.
The last season that had 13 hours or more running time was season 6 in
1969. So anyone with that high an expectation has been disappointed for 55 >> years.
given averages ...
In article <uv1i28$3mpso$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <uv1c7b$3ldrh$1@dont-email.me>,series and a
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
--
Steven J. MacInbaney
Professional mime assassin
We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the
episodes a2010 to 09Xmas special).
Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023 >>>>>>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April
December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6
episodes a year.year.
And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95
Yes it is.
So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years?
that’sDoctors betweenPerhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh
1985 and 1989 …
REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
a Season!
I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and >>>>>> cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times)
(7.5 hours).10 hours a season, not 13.
Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes
But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
years gone.
Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.
The last season that had 13 hours or more running time was season 6 in >>>> 1969. So anyone with that high an expectation has been disappointed for 55 >>>> years.
given averages ...
After season 6, the longest season was season 18 in 1980-1981, with 28 x 25 >> minute episodes. 11.67 hours maximum. Averages really don’t come into it. >>
It is possible to fabricate one longer season, by pretending that series 4 >> includes all the specials up to The End of Time. That comes to 15.4 hours. >> But the thirteen episodes of the season proper come to 10.17 hours, and
adding 1 Christmas special to make up a “full year” still doesn’t make it
as long as season 18.
So 8 x 1 hr episodes is fair IYIO.
In article <uv2p68$2uu0$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
What does that have to do with your lie that seasons have had 13 hours of
content?
And I don’t know how long the new episodes will be. Under an hour for sure,
mostly - maybe only 45 minutes. That’s how it’s been throughout the revived
era.
“Fair” doesn’t come into it. I’d rather have 9 good shorter
episodes than
13 where half the episode seems pointless in retrospect. And no, I don’t >> know whether the new episodes will be good either.
That’s something I’ll learn after watching them, unlike say Aggie who I’m
sure already has reams of hatred, bigotry and tirades of prejudice lined up >> to share with us all.
What about that was then, this is now?
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