On 8/17/2025 13:02, Idlehands wrote:
This is hilarious, Aggy actually had the balls to claim this?˙ Talk
about living in a land of delusion.
Aggy's claim also reminds me of Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #60:
"Keep your lies consistent".
He can't even do that, or keep the goal posts in one place.
That's the point.˙ He's wound himself up in so many webs of self-
delusion in order to try and keep the appearance that he's the "Smartest Person In the Room" that he can't remember what he's said to whom, or
when, or why.
Verily, in article <107lq73$nmav$4@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
On 15/08/2025 00:02, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <107lob5$nmav$3@dont-email.me>, did
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And this is all explained by the findings of other studies which show
that girls' brains are hard wired and preprogrammed from birth with what >>>> they need to know to survive, and they learn very little after that,
I BWAHed out loud at this.
Typical reaction of the uninformed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6845991/Controversial-study-finds-brain-differences-sexes-begin-womb.html
Do you really believe this article shows that girls are incapable of
learning after 13? It doesn't. *At* *most*, it would indicate that boys
are somewhat more susceptible to environmental influences than girls
are.
Really, the idea that girls can't learn after 13 is so very, very easy
to falsify just by looking around. For instance, I spoke no Dutch at 13.
My aunt learned macrame in her thirties. My college roommate learned
piano in her forties. It's ludicrously easy to find counterexamples.
On 18/08/2025 03:10, Hornplayer9599 wrote:
On 8/17/2025 13:02, Idlehands wrote:
This is hilarious, Aggy actually had the balls to claim this?˙ Talk >>>>> about living in a land of delusion.
Aggy's claim also reminds me of Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #60:
"Keep your lies consistent".
He can't even do that, or keep the goal posts in one place.
That's the point.˙ He's wound himself up in so many webs of self-
delusion in order to try and keep the appearance that he's the
"Smartest Person In the Room" that he can't remember what he's said to
whom, or when, or why.
Who are you talking about? Yourself obviously. Keep attacking your own
straw horse. Everyone knows you lack all intelligence.
On 18/08/2025 12:32 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/08/2025 03:10, Hornplayer9599 wrote:Pick ME!! I know who to believe .... and I've got bad news for YOU,
On 8/17/2025 13:02, Idlehands wrote:
This is hilarious, Aggy actually had the balls to claim this?
Talk about living in a land of delusion.
Aggy's claim also reminds me of Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #60:
"Keep your lies consistent".
He can't even do that, or keep the goal posts in one place.
That's the point.˙ He's wound himself up in so many webs of self-
delusion in order to try and keep the appearance that he's the
"Smartest Person In the Room" that he can't remember what he's said
to whom, or when, or why.
Who are you talking about? Yourself obviously. Keep attacking your own
straw horse. Everyone knows you lack all intelligence.
Aggy .... it's seldom you!!
On 2025-08-17 8:10 p.m., Hornplayer9599 wrote:
On 8/17/2025 13:02, Idlehands wrote:
This is hilarious, Aggy actually had the balls to claim this?˙ Talk >>>>> about living in a land of delusion.
Aggy's claim also reminds me of Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #60:
"Keep your lies consistent".
He can't even do that, or keep the goal posts in one place.
That's the point.˙ He's wound himself up in so many webs of self-
delusion in order to try and keep the appearance that he's the
"Smartest Person In the Room" that he can't remember what he's said to
whom, or when, or why.
But it will never stop him from trying will it?˙ I don't think I have
ever come across someone quite like him.
Thank god!
On 18/08/2025 03:10, Hornplayer9599 wrote:
On 8/17/2025 13:02, Idlehands wrote:
This is hilarious, Aggy actually had the balls to claim this?˙ Talk >>>>> about living in a land of delusion.
Aggy's claim also reminds me of Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #60:
"Keep your lies consistent".
He can't even do that, or keep the goal posts in one place.
That's the point.˙ He's wound himself up in so many webs of self-
delusion in order to try and keep the appearance that he's the
"Smartest Person In the Room" that he can't remember what he's said to
whom, or when, or why.
Who are you talking about? Yourself obviously. Keep attacking your own
straw horse. Everyone knows you lack all intelligence.
In article <107njah$1610g$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2025 15:00, The Doctor wrote:
In article <107n836$13lme$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2025 12:23, stupid penguin wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/08/2025 20:59, solar penguin wrote:
You forgot to change it to âsolar imbecileâ. Youâre no fun anymore. >>>>>
Idiot!
Thatâs Aggy for you.
You know that scene in âFrontier in Spaceâ where the Doctor says: >>>>>>> âAllow me to congratulate you, sir. You have the most totally closed >>>>>>> mind that I've ever encountered.â
Iâm reminded of that every time Aggy posts.
And you are a complete uneducated moron.
Doctor Who was created by Sidney Newman who was male
That depends what you mean by âcreatedâ.
Sydney (not Sidney) Newman didnât think up any of the ideas
behind Doctor Who. He delegated other people to do that for
him.
He told them what he wanted, gave them the brief for Doctor Who taken
from Doctor Omega and they got on with making it.
The only idea of his own Newman made to the show was that
there should be no bug eyed monsters. See how that worked!
He obviously didn't want to be sue for copyright infringement.
and Canadian and
ripped the idea off Doctor Omega (Le Docteur Omga) by Arnould Galopin. >>>>>>
You think that just because some Canadians speak French, all
Canadians are familiar with every obscure childrenâs book in
that language?
(It wouldnât be the craziest thing youâve believed!)
Newman was more than familiar with it. He stole the entire concept of
Doctor Who from it. This is widely acknowledged even by Terrance Dicks >>>> who wrote the forward to the English translation.
The original is French?
Oui.
Merci.
Aggy actually amazed me (and in a good way)
Aggy actually amazed me (and in a good way) :
I've looked up the forward by Terrance Dicks in a copy of the book on
Amazon which confirms everything I've said and more.
1. The character of Doctor Omega, including original artwork, looks like
William Hartnell playing the first Doctor.
2. Doctor Omega is not of this world but a fugitive from another which
is much more technically advanced.
3. The ship that Doctor Omega builds can travel through time and takes
the crew to Mars billions of years in the past when it was still habitable. >>
This is the entire basis and origin story of Doctor Who. Dicks says it
could all be coincidence, but that's the usual excuse used by writers
and composers to excuse alleged plagiarism.
Thanks. Thatâs great. I wasnât expecting it.
OK, so letâs see...
Dicks didnât know whether on not this was a coincidence.
There is a third option. Not coincidence or plagiarism but
convergent evolution. Similar solutions to similar problems.
We need to tell stories set anywhere in time and space. And
so weâll need a craft that can take our protagonists anywhere in
time and space.
Such a craft hasnât been invented yet. And so weâll need to
make it the product of an advanced civilisation.
Why hasnât this civilisation left more evidence of its visits to our time and planet? People from there donât visit us very often.
But then why did the craftâs owner visit us? Letâs make him
an exile keeping away from his people.
But that might make him hard for people to relate to. And so
weâll give him a human companion.
Etc. etc. etc.
All nice and simple. Every step makes sense. Every step leads
on to the next one.
But even if _someone_ in the Doctor Who production team had
copied this book, it still wouldnât necessarily be Sydney Newman.
Because (and this goes back to my original point) Newman
was not the sole creator of Doctor Who. He was mainly an
administrator who delegated other people to create it for him.
In article <1082cnt$3s6hd$1@dont-email.me>,
solar penguin <solar.penguin@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, so letâs see...
Dicks didnât know whether on not this was a coincidence.
There is a third option. Not coincidence or plagiarism but
convergent evolution. Similar solutions to similar problems.
We need to tell stories set anywhere in time and space. And
so weâll need a craft that can take our protagonists
anywhere in time and space.
Such a craft hasnât been invented yet. And so weâll need to
make it the product of an advanced civilisation.
Why hasnât this civilisation left more evidence of its
visits to our time and planet? People from there donât visit
us very often.
But then why did the craftâs owner visit us? Letâs make him
an exile keeping away from his people.
But that might make him hard for people to relate to. And so
weâll give him a human companion.
Etc. etc. etc.
All nice and simple. Every step makes sense. Every step leads
on to the next one.
But even if someone in the Doctor Who production team had
copied this book, it still wouldnât necessarily be Sydney
Newman.
Because (and this goes back to my original point) Newman
was not the sole creator of Doctor Who. He was mainly an
administrator who delegated other people to create it for
him.
Not to find an anazon.ca option.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 19/08/2025 18:37, solar penguin wrote:
We need to tell stories set anywhere in time and space.
And so weâll need a craft that can take our protagonists
anywhere in time and space.
Let's try to reinvent the brief that Galopin could have used...
Itâs also what the creators of DW could have used. Thatâs my point.
All nice and simple. Every step makes sense. Every step
leads on to the next one.
This reads like a defence for plagiarism. Ed Sheeran used a similar
defence when he was accused of copying other peoples musical notes.
Ah, you must know youâre losing. Youâre trying to distract by
changing the subject.
Well, Iâll have to disappoint you. Iâm not going to get drawn into
a debate about whether an exact, specific sequence of musical
notes is the same thing as the vague background idea behind
a story.
AI can use that defence too and can even provide the actual
brief, but everyone can figure out what it's read from what
it's written.
More distractions. No-one is claiming that AI created DW. (Or
that Ed Sheeran is an AI, or whatever irrelevant point you think
youâre trying to distract us with.)
But even if _someone_ in the Doctor Who production team had
copied this book, it still wouldnât necessarily be Sydney Newman.
The reason why Newman had a production team and why all TV shows have
production teams is to cover up plagiarism with plausible deniability.
( *snip* )
He led them in the direction of Doctor Omega to make others think it was
an independent idea so he and the BBC couldn't be sued for plagiarism.
Thatâs a very cynical worldview. Do you really believe people canât
be creative without deliberately copying other peopleâs work?
If so, it says more about you than about them.
It's not like Galopin didn't get ideas from The First Men in the Moon,
The War of the Worlds, and Sherlock Holmes for his novels.
Then the BBC neednâtâve worried about being sued if Galopin didnât
even come up with those ideas himself.
Do you think anyone ever had an original idea, ever?
In article <108294p$3qsjh$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2025 16:57, The Doctor wrote:
In article <107njah$1610g$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2025 15:00, The Doctor wrote:
In article <107n836$13lme$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2025 12:23, stupid penguin wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/08/2025 20:59, solar penguin wrote:
You forgot to change it to âsolar imbecileâ. Youâre no fun anymore.
Idiot!
Thatâs Aggy for you.
You know that scene in âFrontier in Spaceâ where the Doctor says: >>>>>>>>> âAllow me to congratulate you, sir. You have the most totally closed
mind that I've ever encountered.â
Iâm reminded of that every time Aggy posts.
And you are a complete uneducated moron.
Doctor Who was created by Sidney Newman who was male
That depends what you mean by âcreatedâ.
Sydney (not Sidney) Newman didnât think up any of the ideas
behind Doctor Who. He delegated other people to do that for
him.
He told them what he wanted, gave them the brief for Doctor Who taken >>>>> >from Doctor Omega and they got on with making it.
The only idea of his own Newman made to the show was that
there should be no bug eyed monsters. See how that worked!
He obviously didn't want to be sue for copyright infringement.
and Canadian and
ripped the idea off Doctor Omega (Le Docteur Omga) by Arnould Galopin.
You think that just because some Canadians speak French, all
Canadians are familiar with every obscure childrenâs book in
that language?
(It wouldnât be the craziest thing youâve believed!)
Newman was more than familiar with it. He stole the entire concept of >>>>>> Doctor Who from it. This is widely acknowledged even by Terrance Dicks >>>>>> who wrote the forward to the English translation.
The original is French?
Oui.
Merci.
I've looked up the forward by Terrance Dicks in a copy of the book on
Amazon which confirms everything I've said and more.
1. The character of Doctor Omega, including original artwork, looks like
William Hartnell playing the first Doctor.
2. Doctor Omega is not of this world but a fugitive from another which
is much more technically advanced.
3. The ship that Doctor Omega builds can travel through time and takes
the crew to Mars billions of years in the past when it was still habitable. >>
This is the entire basis and origin story of Doctor Who. Dicks says it
could all be coincidence, but that's the usual excuse used by writers
and composers to excuse alleged plagiarism.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Omega-French-Science-Fiction-ebook/dp/B006KNEUR0?crid=2K9PDCSM2E07C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hEYKFjS7kg1hyzCZdTfCVZnJw6GjHV_ueOhBr51Qo_bVTam6cqFwdjYOeuEEjkuGtYx7i0gLNzccfpNSHpG79Gh8FlsqCzjEH973H7U_LuKB6NWUsRVv8vgWZHWr7JTWkq7HhA_9wtHy4xqL-4EDtnJECZcGhDKNa5p1B39z2Q-iUWcLzRxrp42VaqFgKJ_doJx04AHDnwR5w6C3GhiF8UWcMVgyz8fwoYdJ4Ep58gY.JFXdVG0LNI6xO8uZ92rxGK7wPevXNguQzp1vKcyD-EY&dib_tag=se&keywords=Doctor+Omega&qid=1755389833&sprefix=doctor+omega%2Caps%2C352&sr=8-4&asin=B006KNEUR0&revisionId=f272875d&format=3&depth=1
I wonder if amazon.ca has this.
Literature works the same way. There's only a certain way words and
ideas can be put together to write good description, dialogue, and a
good story. Why do you think AI writes better than most humans?
Just
look at TV and the movies and everything you see contains the same stock phrases and lines of speech repeated in every single show and movie.
The True Doctor wrote:
Literature works the same way. There's only a certain way words and
ideas can be put together to write good description, dialogue, and a
good story.
âThe day must comeâif the world lasts long enoughâââ said Arthur, âwhen
every possible tune will have been composedâevery possible pun perpetratedâââ (Lady Muriel wrung her hands, like a tragedy-queen) âand,
worse than that, every possible _book_ written! For the number of
_words_ is finite.â
âItâll make very little difference to the _authors_,â I suggested. âInstead of saying â_what_ book shall I write?â an author will ask himself â_which_ book shall I write?â A mere verbal distinction!â
Lady Muriel gave me an approving smile. âBut _lunatics_ would always
write new books, surely?â she went on. âThey _couldnât_ write the sane books over again!â
âTrue,â said Arthur. âBut _their_ books would come to an end, also. The number of lunatic _books_ is as finite as the number of lunatics.â
-- from âSylvie and Bruno Concludedâ by Lewis Carroll
Were you deliberately copying his ideas, or just converging on
a similar conclusion by following a similar train of thought?
Melissa mentioned:
Verily, in article <1084m49$cfq6$1@dont-email.me>, did
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
Literature works the same way. There's only a certain way words and
ideas can be put together to write good description, dialogue, and a
good story. Why do you think AI writes better than most humans?
It's because most people can't write very well.
And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It canât come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.
BTW notice how Aggy has shifted the goalposts from creating ideas
(like the idea of Doctor Who) to arranging words to fit ideas
that already exist. Another sign he knows heâs losing.
My own writing is better than an AI's writing. So is yours, for that
matter.
Have you read any of Aggyâs fiction? âPlanet of the Cybermenâ is possibly the worst fanfic Iâve ever read. Not just DW fanfic. All
fanfic ever. It makes âMy Immortalâ look good. Iâm not exaggerating.
And true to his philosophy, itâs mostly recycled ideas. The main
plot is âDestiny of the Daleksâ but with Cybermen instead. The
Movellans are replaced by clones, Romana is replaced by
two generic bimbos, and Douglas Adamsâs wit and humour is
replaced by crude sex jokes.
Have you read any of Aggyâs fiction? âPlanet of the Cybermenâ
is possibly the worst fanfic Iâve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes âMy Immortalâ look good. Iâm
not exaggerating.
And true to his philosophy, itâs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is âDestiny of the Daleksâ but with Cybermen
instead.
The Movellans are replaced by clones, Romana is replaced
by two generic bimbos, and Douglas Adamsâs wit and humour
is replaced by crude sex jokes.
On 20/08/2025 18:20, solar idiot wrote:
And true to his philosophy, itâs mostly recycled ideas.
The main plot is âDestiny of the Daleksâ but with Cybermen
instead.
And what exactly is wrong with Destiny of the Daleks?
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes from copying
others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel. You think of things
you can do with it.
The True loon blah blah something beginning with L that I canât even be bothered to think up:
On 20/08/2025 18:20, solar idiot wrote:
And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It canât come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.
What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of Tom Baker the
writers were even given the title the episode had to be called and had
to come up with ideas based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or
The Ark in Space.
Well, âRevengeâŚâ was originally to be called âReturn of the Cybermenâ. But letâs ignore that for now.
We were supposed to be discussing who created Doctor Who,
not who created some Tom Baker era episode titles.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/08/2025 18:20, solar idiot wrote:
And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It canât come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.
What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of Tom Baker the
writers were even given the title the episode had to be called and had
to come up with ideas based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or
The Ark in Space.
Well, âRevengeâŚâ was originally to be called âReturn of the Cybermenâ. But letâs ignore that for now.
We were supposed to be discussing who created Doctor Who,
not who created some Tom Baker era episode titles.
There is a difference!
I've not moved any goalposts, and if you think I did it indicates that
you are the one who has lost the argument. The subject was and still is
how Doctor Who was created.
So you can remember that when it suits you? Good!
Then stop changing the subject to AI or Ed Sheeran or Tom
Bakerâs story titles!
To determine who created Doctor Who we need to look at the
minutes and memos and other paperwork regarding its creation.
Thatâs all.
And the paperwork just plain doesnât support your version of events.
Planet of the Cybermen beats every single episode written by Chibnall
ever, and everything written by Davies in the last 3 years,
Donât waste your time lying to me. Iâve read it. I know the truth.
If you think Planet of the Cybermen is bad then think again.
OK.
( *thinks* )
It hasnât changed. Itâs still bad.
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes from copyingHey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a rip-off
others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel. You think of things
you can do with it.
of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen anyway), why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back in the days when you accepted
it as 'Doctor Who'??
Blueshirt bamboozled me:
solar penguin wrote:
Have you read any of Aggyâs fiction? âPlanet of the Cybermenâ
is possibly the worst fanfic Iâve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes âMy Immortalâ look good. Iâm
not exaggerating.
Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.
OK. Iâll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.
But I still insist itâs the worst Iâve read.
And true to his philosophy, itâs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is âDestiny of the Daleksâ but with Cybermen
instead.
He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.
Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results arenât always
good. (See âSilver Nemesisâ for another example.)
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes from
copying others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel.
You think of things you can do with it.
Hey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than
a rip-off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen
anyway), why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back
in the days when you accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
On 21/08/2025 13:47, Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes from copyingHey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a
others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel. You think of
things you can do with it.
rip-off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen anyway),
why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back in the days when
you accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
For the same reason I watched Doctor Who to begin with. Robot was a
rip-off of Godzilla and every Kaiju movie, The Ark in Space was the
basis for Alien and Aliens, Genesis of the Daleks was a rip-off of
Synthetic Men of Mars, Planet of Evil was a rip-off of The Forbidden
Planet, Pyramids of Mars was a rip-off of every Mummy movie, The Brain
of Morbius was a rip-off of Frankenstein, The Seeds of Doom was a
rip-off of Quatermas, and The Thing from Another World, The Hand of Fear
was a rip-off of yet another horror film sub-genre because Robert Holmes
had a thing for copying classic horror, The Robots of Death was a
rip-off of Isaac Asimov's Robot anthology, The Talons of Weng-Chiang was
a rip-off of the Fu-Manchu series of novels by Sax Rohmer, The Invisible Enemy was a rip-off of Fantastic Voyage, The Pirate Planet was a rip-off
of concepts from E E Smith's Lensman series, The Androids of Tara was a rip-off of The Prisoner of Zenda, The Armageddon Factor was an attempt
to rip-off Star Wars, I mean The Hidden Fortress, both, The Horns of
Nimon was a rip-off of Theseus and the Minotaur, and State of Decay was
a Dracula rip-off.
Doctor Who was never as good when it didn't rip-off other stuff by other writers that came earlier and do its take on them. When it started to rip-off itself, as it has done since 2005, because the writers had
totally ran out of ideas, since they were nothing more than a bunch of clueless soap opera hacks that had not read or watch any science fiction previous, that's when it went totally down the toilet. I could do a comparison of which Doctor Who stores the modern series has tried to
copy but it would take to long. I will just point out that the Jodie Whittaker story, The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos, was a rip-off of The Pirate Planet which I mentioned earlier, but the moron Chris Chibnall clearly didn't have a clue about any of the source material that Douglas Adams based The Pirate Planet on, so what he wrote is exactly what comes
out of your kolos, shit!
On 22/08/2025 2:58 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 21/08/2025 13:47, Daniel70 wrote:Hey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a rip-off
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes from copyingHey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a rip-
others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel. You think of
things you can do with it.
off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen anyway), why
do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back in the days when you
accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
For the same reason I watched Doctor Who to begin with. Robot was a
rip-off of Godzilla and every Kaiju movie, The Ark in Space was the
basis for Alien and Aliens, Genesis of the Daleks was a rip-off of
Synthetic Men of Mars, Planet of Evil was a rip-off of The Forbidden
Planet, Pyramids of Mars was a rip-off of every Mummy movie, The Brain
of Morbius was a rip-off of Frankenstein, The Seeds of Doom was a rip-
off of Quatermas, and The Thing from Another World, The Hand of Fear
was a rip-off of yet another horror film sub-genre because Robert
Holmes had a thing for copying classic horror, The Robots of Death was
a rip-off of Isaac Asimov's Robot anthology, The Talons of Weng-Chiang
was a rip-off of the Fu-Manchu series of novels by Sax Rohmer, The
Invisible Enemy was a rip-off of Fantastic Voyage, The Pirate Planet
was a rip-off of concepts from E E Smith's Lensman series, The
Androids of Tara was a rip-off of The Prisoner of Zenda, The
Armageddon Factor was an attempt to rip-off Star Wars, I mean The
Hidden Fortress, both, The Horns of Nimon was a rip-off of Theseus and
the Minotaur, and State of Decay was a Dracula rip-off.
Doctor Who was never as good when it didn't rip-off other stuff by
other writers that came earlier and do its take on them. When it
started to rip-off itself, as it has done since 2005, because the
writers had totally ran out of ideas, since they were nothing more
than a bunch of clueless soap opera hacks that had not read or watch
any science fiction previous, that's when it went totally down the
toilet. I could do a comparison of which Doctor Who stores the modern
series has tried to copy but it would take to long. I will just point
out that the Jodie Whittaker story, The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos,
was a rip-off of The Pirate Planet which I mentioned earlier, but the
moron Chris Chibnall clearly didn't have a clue about any of the
source material that Douglas Adams based The Pirate Planet on, so what
he wrote is exactly what comes out of your kolos, shit!
of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen anyway), why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back in the days when you accepted
it as 'Doctor Who'??
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes fromHey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than
copying others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel.
You think of things you can do with it.
a rip-off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen
anyway), why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back
in the days when you accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
I think the term "rip-off" is a bit harsh, but I think it's
highly likely the show's creators and writing team were
influenced by a variety of sci-fi novels and short stories.
For anybody who had read H.G. Wells, Jules Verne, John Wyndham
... or Arnould Galopin even, it would be hard to claim the idea
of "Doctor Who" was a totally original idea. Once a novel has
been published then the knowledge itself is out there. It's not
plagiarism if someone restates ideas from a variety of sci-fi
books to create a TV show based on a mix of those ideas in their
own words... it's just natural influence.
Doctor Who became it's own thing once it had been created... and
it has then gone on to influence other TV shows and give other producers/writers ideas for them to re-use...
Same as it ever was.
On 22/08/2025 13:27, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes
from copying others. You don't go around reinventing
the wheel. You think of things you can do with it.
Hey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more
than a rip-off of various other Authors (whom you have
read or seen anyway), why do you even bother with 'Doctor
Who', even back in the days when you accepted it as
'Doctor Who'??
I think the term "rip-off" is a bit harsh,
Ripping off other work is good. It's the degenerate copyright
industry that has conspired to make it look bad because they
don't want to lose money to better writers who can make better
use of their ideas. This is another good reason why copyright
should be abolished or limited just to one year after
publication since it stifles creativity.
On 22/08/2025 13:31, Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/08/2025 2:58 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 21/08/2025 13:47, Daniel70 wrote:Hey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes from copyingHey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a
others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel. You think of
things you can do with it.
rip- off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen
anyway), why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back in the
days when you accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
For the same reason I watched Doctor Who to begin with. Robot was a
rip-off of Godzilla and every Kaiju movie, The Ark in Space was the
basis for Alien and Aliens, Genesis of the Daleks was a rip-off of
Synthetic Men of Mars, Planet of Evil was a rip-off of The Forbidden
Planet, Pyramids of Mars was a rip-off of every Mummy movie, The
Brain of Morbius was a rip-off of Frankenstein, The Seeds of Doom was
a rip- off of Quatermas, and The Thing from Another World, The Hand
of Fear was a rip-off of yet another horror film sub-genre because
Robert Holmes had a thing for copying classic horror, The Robots of
Death was a rip-off of Isaac Asimov's Robot anthology, The Talons of
Weng-Chiang was a rip-off of the Fu-Manchu series of novels by Sax
Rohmer, The Invisible Enemy was a rip-off of Fantastic Voyage, The
Pirate Planet was a rip-off of concepts from E E Smith's Lensman
series, The Androids of Tara was a rip-off of The Prisoner of Zenda,
The Armageddon Factor was an attempt to rip-off Star Wars, I mean The
Hidden Fortress, both, The Horns of Nimon was a rip-off of Theseus
and the Minotaur, and State of Decay was a Dracula rip-off.
Doctor Who was never as good when it didn't rip-off other stuff by
other writers that came earlier and do its take on them. When it
started to rip-off itself, as it has done since 2005, because the
writers had totally ran out of ideas, since they were nothing more
than a bunch of clueless soap opera hacks that had not read or watch
any science fiction previous, that's when it went totally down the
toilet. I could do a comparison of which Doctor Who stores the modern
series has tried to copy but it would take to long. I will just point
out that the Jodie Whittaker story, The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos,
was a rip-off of The Pirate Planet which I mentioned earlier, but the
moron Chris Chibnall clearly didn't have a clue about any of the
source material that Douglas Adams based The Pirate Planet on, so
what he wrote is exactly what comes out of your kolos, shit!
rip-off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen anyway),
why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back in the days when
you accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
I already answered that above. Did you bother to actually read what I
wrote?
Doctor Who was at its best when it was inspired by copying other science fiction writers who had nothing to do with writing Doctor Who and
evolving their woke. That is where all the best kind of writing comes
from. Copying what was written in the past and trying to improve on it.
Where do you think Alexander Dumas' description of all of the battle
scenes in The Three Musketeers came from? Homer's Iliad!
Even the bible copied Noah's Ark from Gilgamesh.
You need to tell the copyright industry that as well as politicians so
that they can abolish the copyright laws. Look at how the music industry
has gone completely down the toilet because of them with the Marvin Gay estate suing anyone who some much dares to include a drum beat in their song, because Marvin Gay thought of including a drum beat first.
On 23/08/2025 12:36 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 22/08/2025 13:31, Daniel70 wrote:Whoooooosh!! Straight over Aggy's head .... for the second time.
On 22/08/2025 2:58 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 21/08/2025 13:47, Daniel70 wrote:Hey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a rip-
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes from copying >>>>>> others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel. You think ofHey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a
things you can do with it.
rip- off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen
anyway), why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back in the >>>>> days when you accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
For the same reason I watched Doctor Who to begin with. Robot was a
rip-off of Godzilla and every Kaiju movie, The Ark in Space was the
basis for Alien and Aliens, Genesis of the Daleks was a rip-off of
Synthetic Men of Mars, Planet of Evil was a rip-off of The Forbidden
Planet, Pyramids of Mars was a rip-off of every Mummy movie, The
Brain of Morbius was a rip-off of Frankenstein, The Seeds of Doom
was a rip- off of Quatermas, and The Thing from Another World, The
Hand of Fear was a rip-off of yet another horror film sub-genre
because Robert Holmes had a thing for copying classic horror, The
Robots of Death was a rip-off of Isaac Asimov's Robot anthology, The
Talons of Weng-Chiang was a rip-off of the Fu-Manchu series of
novels by Sax Rohmer, The Invisible Enemy was a rip-off of Fantastic
Voyage, The Pirate Planet was a rip-off of concepts from E E Smith's
Lensman series, The Androids of Tara was a rip-off of The Prisoner
of Zenda, The Armageddon Factor was an attempt to rip-off Star Wars,
I mean The Hidden Fortress, both, The Horns of Nimon was a rip-off
of Theseus and the Minotaur, and State of Decay was a Dracula rip-off. >>>>
Doctor Who was never as good when it didn't rip-off other stuff by
other writers that came earlier and do its take on them. When it
started to rip-off itself, as it has done since 2005, because the
writers had totally ran out of ideas, since they were nothing more
than a bunch of clueless soap opera hacks that had not read or watch
any science fiction previous, that's when it went totally down the
toilet. I could do a comparison of which Doctor Who stores the
modern series has tried to copy but it would take to long. I will
just point out that the Jodie Whittaker story, The Battle of
Ranskoor Av Kolos, was a rip-off of The Pirate Planet which I
mentioned earlier, but the moron Chris Chibnall clearly didn't have
a clue about any of the source material that Douglas Adams based The
Pirate Planet on, so what he wrote is exactly what comes out of your
kolos, shit!
off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen anyway), why
do you even bother with 'Doctor Who', even back in the days when you
accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
I already answered that above. Did you bother to actually read what I
wrote?
Doctor Who was at its best when it was inspired by copying other
science fiction writers who had nothing to do with writing Doctor Who
and evolving their woke. That is where all the best kind of writing
comes from. Copying what was written in the past and trying to improve
on it.
Where do you think Alexander Dumas' description of all of the battle
scenes in The Three Musketeers came from? Homer's Iliad!
Even the bible copied Noah's Ark from Gilgamesh.
Why do I bother??
On 23/08/2025 1:04 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
You need to tell the copyright industry that as well as politicians so
that they can abolish the copyright laws. Look at how the music
industry has gone completely down the toilet because of them with the
Marvin Gay estate suing anyone who some much dares to include a drum
beat in their song, because Marvin Gay thought of including a drum
beat first.
Marvin Gaye
American singer (1939â1984)
So, Aggy, did NO TUNES prior to, say, 1950 include a Drum beat at all??
I'm sure I've seen Drums used in WWII Films, Even WW1 Films Oh and films where the Poms invaded France or Vice Versa ..... and I'm sure The 1812 Overture featured Drums (as well as Canons)!!
Hey, Aggy, are you really Binky in disguise!!
So, Aggy, did NO TUNES prior to, say, 1950 include a Drum beat at all??
The Marvin Gay estate seems to think they didn't.
I'm sure I've seen Drums used in WWII Films, Even WW1 Films Oh and films where the Poms invaded France or Vice Versa ..... and I'm sure The 1812 Overture featured Drums (as well as Canons)!!
Those drums were not used in pop music. Try using other examples.
Verily, in article <108d2m1$2b0mg$4@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
So, Aggy, did NO TUNES prior to, say, 1950 include a Drum beat at all??
The Marvin Gay estate seems to think they didn't.
I'm sure I've seen Drums used in WWII Films, Even WW1 Films Oh and films >>> where the Poms invaded France or Vice Versa ..... and I'm sure The 1812
Overture featured Drums (as well as Canons)!!
Those drums were not used in pop music. Try using other examples.
Enjoy the Andrews Sisters performing "Bei Mir Bist Du Schn," in 1937,
with a very young Buddy Rich on drums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGveTSQbH30
On 23/08/2025 20:47, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <108d2m1$2b0mg$4@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
So, Aggy, did NO TUNES prior to, say, 1950 include a
Drum beat at all??
The Marvin Gay estate seems to think they didn't.
I'm sure I've seen Drums used in WWII Films, Even WW1
Films Oh and films where the Poms invaded France or Vice
Versa ..... and I'm sure The 1812 Overture featured
Drums (as well as Canons)!!
Those drums were not used in pop music. Try using other
examples.
Enjoy the Andrews Sisters performing "Bei Mir Bist Du
Schn," in 1937, with a very young Buddy Rich on drums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGveTSQbH30
Shush... Don't tell the Marvin Gay estate. They'll start suing.
On 23/08/2025 13:43, Daniel70 wrote:
On 23/08/2025 12:36 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 22/08/2025 13:31, Daniel70 wrote:Whoooooosh!! Straight over Aggy's head .... for the second time.
On 22/08/2025 2:58 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 21/08/2025 13:47, Daniel70 wrote:Hey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a
On 21/08/2025 12:29 am, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Not if what they wrote was good. All good work comes from copying >>>>>>> others. You don't go around reinventing the wheel. You think of >>>>>>> things you can do with it.Hey, Aggy, if, as you claim, 'Doctor Who' is nothing more than a
rip- off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen
anyway), *why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who'* , even back in >>>>>> the days when you accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
For the same reason I watched Doctor Who to begin with. Robot was a >>>>> rip-off of Godzilla and every Kaiju movie, The Ark in Space was the >>>>> basis for Alien and Aliens, Genesis of the Daleks was a rip-off of
Synthetic Men of Mars, Planet of Evil was a rip-off of The
Forbidden Planet, Pyramids of Mars was a rip-off of every Mummy
movie, The Brain of Morbius was a rip-off of Frankenstein, The
Seeds of Doom was a rip- off of Quatermas, and The Thing from
Another World, The Hand of Fear was a rip-off of yet another horror >>>>> film sub-genre because Robert Holmes had a thing for copying
classic horror, The Robots of Death was a rip-off of Isaac Asimov's >>>>> Robot anthology, The Talons of Weng-Chiang was a rip-off of the
Fu-Manchu series of novels by Sax Rohmer, The Invisible Enemy was a >>>>> rip-off of Fantastic Voyage, The Pirate Planet was a rip-off of
concepts from E E Smith's Lensman series, The Androids of Tara was
a rip-off of The Prisoner of Zenda, The Armageddon Factor was an
attempt to rip-off Star Wars, I mean The Hidden Fortress, both, The >>>>> Horns of Nimon was a rip-off of Theseus and the Minotaur, and State >>>>> of Decay was a Dracula rip-off.
Doctor Who was never as good when it didn't rip-off other stuff by
other writers that came earlier and do its take on them. When it
started to rip-off itself, as it has done since 2005, because the
writers had totally ran out of ideas, since they were nothing more
than a bunch of clueless soap opera hacks that had not read or
watch any science fiction previous, that's when it went totally
down the toilet. I could do a comparison of which Doctor Who stores >>>>> the modern series has tried to copy but it would take to long. I
will just point out that the Jodie Whittaker story, The Battle of
Ranskoor Av Kolos, was a rip-off of The Pirate Planet which I
mentioned earlier, but the moron Chris Chibnall clearly didn't have >>>>> a clue about any of the source material that Douglas Adams based
The Pirate Planet on, so what he wrote is exactly what comes out of >>>>> your kolos, shit!
rip- off of various other Authors (whom you have read or seen
anyway), *why do you even bother with 'Doctor Who'* , even back in the >>>> days when you accepted it as 'Doctor Who'??
I already answered that above. Did you bother to actually read what I
wrote?
Doctor Who was at its best when it was inspired by copying other
science fiction writers who had nothing to do with writing Doctor Who
and evolving their woke. That is where all the best kind of writing
comes from. Copying what was written in the past and trying to
improve on it.
Where do you think Alexander Dumas' description of all of the battle
scenes in The Three Musketeers came from? Homer's Iliad!
Even the bible copied Noah's Ark from Gilgamesh.
Why do I bother??
Straight over your head you mean. I answered you question twice and
still you can't comprehend the reply. Just how stupid are you? Can you understand English?
The True Doctor wrote:
On 23/08/2025 20:47, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <108d2m1$2b0mg$4@dont-email.me>, did
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
So, Aggy, did NO TUNES prior to, say, 1950 include a
Drum beat at all??
The Marvin Gay estate seems to think they didn't.
I'm sure I've seen Drums used in WWII Films, Even WW1
Films Oh and films where the Poms invaded France or Vice
Versa ..... and I'm sure The 1812 Overture featured
Drums (as well as Canons)!!
Those drums were not used in pop music. Try using other
examples.
Enjoy the Andrews Sisters performing "Bei Mir Bist Du
Schn," in 1937, with a very young Buddy Rich on drums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGveTSQbH30
Shush... Don't tell the Marvin Gay estate. They'll start suing.
It doesn't matter... they'll hear it through the grapevine.
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