On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescio? <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's
origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from
which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The
Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant
insertion of The Impossible Girl into the Doctor's
timeline rather irritating and was worried that she
would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 10:56:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescio? <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's >>>> origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from
which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The
Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That didn't occur to me since SM was a fan of closed-time loops, so
making the Doctor his/her own mother/father/son/daughter seemed right
up his street.
But yes you're right, making Clara his mother would have resurrected/explained the half-human origin from the 1996 TV movie.
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant
insertion of The Impossible Girl into the Doctor's
timeline rather irritating and was worried that she
would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That was the woman in "The End of Time"!
Allegedly.
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human
line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who recognized the Doctor and showed concern for him, was believed by some
to be his mother. I think RTD said something about that, although of
late it's best not to take RTD's pronouncements too seriously.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 14:40, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
Yes Dave, it did.
However, you were against the 13th Doctor from the beginning,
because she was a woman.
Why shouldn't he be against her because she's a woman? It's a
perfectly valid and justifiable reason for being against her
because the Doctor is a male character and had been that way
for over 50 years and 13 incarnations up to that point.
Then I'd rather people just said that, rather than pretending
it's the "Timeless Child" storyline they were against.
Especially when the evidence from the RADW archives proves they
were complaining here since the day Jodie Whittaker was cast as
the 13th Doctor.
Just as you would be against the 16th Doctor (or any other
future Doctor) being a female.
As should everyone.
Not liking a female Doctor/Master is a perfectly legitimate POV
as long as it's not dressed up as anything other than misogyny.
As that's what it is.
Doctor Who is a sci-fi based TV show, featuring an alien who
travels in time and space. Nobody has ever said Time Lords
cannot change their gender when their body regenerates.
It may not have been the wisest decision to make the 13th Doctor
female but in sci-fi I don't see why it can't be done.
Same as being against turning the Doctor gay
My view is The Doctor should be asexual and he/she shouldn't be
having romantic storylines with anyone, male, female or animal!
I don't believe that's what anyone watches "Doctor Who" for.
or changing his racist. Changing an existing characters
sex, race, and sexuality and expecting the audience to accept
it and lap it up is sexist, and racist, and bigoted to the
highest degree possible.
But The Doctor is an alien, from another planet... if written
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't
change their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology
works?
Verily, in article <4c4f3ldr0lahl8ribfsa9vgfpmagsn33j3@jwbrown.co.uk>,
did jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid deliver unto us this message:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 10:56:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescio˙ <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's >>>>>> origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another >>>>>> dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from >>>>> which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have >>>>> there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The >>>> Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That didn't occur to me since SM was a fan of closed-time loops, so
making the Doctor his/her own mother/father/son/daughter seemed right
up his street.
But yes you're right, making Clara his mother would have
resurrected/explained the half-human origin from the 1996 TV movie.
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human
line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who
recognized the Doctor and showed concern for him, was believed by some
to be his mother. I think RTD said something about that, although of
late it's best not to take RTD's pronouncements too seriously.
On 21/06/2026 12:27, The True Melissa wrote:
[quoted text muted]
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who
You mean Tennant in The End of Time.
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing
that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor WAS PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of
literature... or something.
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and
therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Anyone who doesn't like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.
Anyone who doesn't like that should go outside and smell the pollution!!
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th & 15th
Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like "Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of literature... or
something.
I mean, it kind of does. Stories are supposed to be internally
consistent. A reboot can change sexes and races, since it's supposed
to be a different take of the same idea. It's strange to change the sex
of the character while the show is already running.
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started swapping
sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had never happened before.
It might have been a little more palatable if it had been treated as
the major change it was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new
thing seem as if it weren't new.
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if the
Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Anyone who doesn't like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.Anyone who doesn't like that should go outside and smell the pollution!!
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing
that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor WAS PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of
literature... or something.
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th & 15th
Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like "Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
She has recently said that she would love to play the role again ...
which begs the question of why did she leave in the first place? Most
likely answer is that she in fact hated or was bored of the role by the
time she left, and is simply trying to be polite so she still gets hired
for other shows.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of literature...
or something.
I mean, it kind of does. Stories are supposed to be internally
consistent.˙ A reboot can change sexes and races, since it's supposed
to be a different take of the same idea. It's strange to change the
sex of the character while the show is already running.
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started swapping
sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had never happened before.
It might have been a little more palatable if it had been treated as
the major change it was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new
thing seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and quotas.
Same with teh change to a black and gay male.
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long
time - I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or
black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's
list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey
were calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual
argument between those who wanted that and those who didn't.
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political correct
minority that seem to think they are entitled to representation
when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had the actual stories
been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom Baker era of the show
with the female or black Doctor that we did get, I don't think I
would have minded at the end of the day. Tokenism itself doesn't
sell a story, it still needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
Verily, in article
<xn0prd58q2jzpc000@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political
correct minority that seem to think they are entitled to
representation when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had
the actual stories been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom
Baker era of the show with the female or black Doctor that
we did get, I don't think I would have minded at the end of
the day. Tokenism itself doesn't sell a story, it still
needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
I could have lived with a female Doctor if there'd been some
explanation for the swap. Instead, RTD just decided to call
off the entire male/female division that has existed ever
since C. elegans developed a chromosome copying error.
I agree that the stories are what matter most. I didn't see
much of Whittaker, but she sure seemed to be saddled with some
subpar stories.
Is Outpost Gallifry still an exclusive club?
In article <MPG.44a45e2918dfe42698a0d4@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to score the "Lady >President" username.
I signed up and was rejected.
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
In article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
It was something the producers decided to do because they wanted
to do... they wanted to be seen to be trendy. Either that or the
BBC told them to do it, as inclusivity is the 'in' thing in
their politically correct world.
Either way, the producers/writers should have just continued to
write good Doctor Who stories and leave the virtue signalling at
the door.
What if Joanne Lumley were the Doctor sometimes in the 1980s?
In article
<MPG.44a45e2918dfe42698a0d4@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <111e2gg$1uup$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Is Outpost Gallifry still an exclusive club?
I didn't know it ever was. You just have to sign up for
an account, don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to score
the "Lady President" username.
I signed up and was rejected.
Verily, in article <111e5kp$1oo$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
I signed up and was rejected.
I didn't even know that could happen. Was a reason given?
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long
time - I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or
black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's
list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey
were calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual
argument between those who wanted that and those who didn't.
I can't recall too much of that debate. Although come to think of
it, I do recall some sort of call for Patterson Joseph to be the
"next Doctor" once upon a time, but I don't think that was ever
a major debate.
I'm sure the threads about the Morbius 'Doctors' or UNIT dating
went on for much longer!
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political correct
minority that seem to think they are entitled to representation
when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had the actual stories
been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom Baker era of the show
with the female or black Doctor that we did get, I don't think I
would have minded at the end of the day. Tokenism itself doesn't
sell a story, it still needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
On 23/06/2026 8:27 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time - I don't >>>> recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and demanded >>>> many many things, in a variety of forms, but the request for a
female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey were
calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual argument between
those who wanted that and those who didn't.
I can't recall too much of that debate. Although come to think of it, I
do recall some sort of call for Patterson Joseph to be the "next
Doctor" once upon a time, but I don't think that was ever a major
debate.
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that Idris Elba was
going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0252961/?ref_=fn_t_1
On 23/06/2026 8:58 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 09:58:25 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change >>>>> their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and >>>> therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Yep, the "laws" of common sense and intelligence ... but those laws
disappeared long ago thanks to the Politically Correct / Equality
morons.? :-(
No. Those laws disappeared long ago .... when William Hartnell
"regenerated" into Patrick Troughton.
On 2026-06-23 13:26:09 +0000, Daniel70 said:
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that
Idris Elba was going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play
James Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-23 13:26:09 +0000, Daniel70 said:
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that Idris Elba was
going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play James
Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise, they could
cast anyone!
In article <111hj7e$3bb5p$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2026-06-24 09:38:08 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will
never play James Bond because people won't accept a
black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise,
they could cast anyone!
They could ... but it wouldn't be sensible and would ruin
yet another franchise.
Get the correct people!
The Doctor wrote:
In article <111hj7e$3bb5p$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2026-06-24 09:38:08 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play James >>>>> Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise, they could >>>> cast anyone!
They could ... but it wouldn't be sensible and would ruin yet another
franchise.
Get the correct people!
That's just it... who you, me or anybody else here feels are the
correct people could be entirely different to who Amazon / MGM feel are
the correct people. (In the case of James Bond.)
No production company can keep EVERYONE happy.
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