• Re: "Mutineer's Moon (Dahak Series)" by David Weber

    From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Mar 24 02:45:32 2024
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can=92t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html
    =20
    I don=92t trust them.
    =20
    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to=20
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!

    Much as I agree that reasonably-limited copyrights are helpful, what,
    exactly, is a vendor supposed to do when it finds that it has broken
    the law by selling something it has no right to sell? Go to jail? Pay
    ginormous fines [1] for copyright violation?

    I don't know if this is the case I remember, but, in the one I
    remember, the /real/ problem was that the book was an over-the-summer
    reading assignment requiring a book report -- and the notes the kid
    was planning to use for that report vanished as well.

    [1] At the rate of one fine per book sold, they will mount up
    endlessly.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Mar 24 03:01:39 2024
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 20:14:44 -0400, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
    wrote:

    On Mar 21, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uticbl$2ffb5$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 3/21/2024 5:47 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Mar 20, 2024, Dimensional Traveler wrote
    (in article <utfojc$1oibk$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 3/20/2024 3:34 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Mar 20, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <utfa8p$1ksh8$1@dont-email.me>):

    It's
    already plotted and ready to go. Chris Kennedy and I just =
    handed in the
    sequel to INTO THE LIGHT, and I think it's solid. I'm not sure=
    how far
    we're going to get into that one, but I think we can keep our = readers
    satisfied. And the only reason I'm not sure how far we'll get =
    is that I
    set up a heck of a big enemy when I created the Hegemony, and =
    it's
    likely to "end up" with a case of Mutually Assured Destruction=
    rather
    than a clear cut military victory. Can't say that for sure; we=
    got
    farther in the current book than we'd really expected.

    the 3rd book is due out shortly. Space vampires, we got.

    Is out. Got it from Amazon last week.

    That=92s two space vampires since 2021 vs zero Safehold, Bazhel, =
    Honor, and
    one Murphy. And Amazon wants $15 for the Kindle version. I=92ll hold=
    and see
    if the price falls.

    I would not hold my breath.

    Lynn

    the probability of my paying $15 for space vamires part 3 is extremely = low.=20
    Gone are the days when I=92d drop $20-25 or more on Weber in hardback. = $15=20
    for an ebook is simply greed. Especially as I=92m not too fond of the = Kindle=20
    UI. and would have to deDRM it and convert it to EPUB to feed it to an = ebook=20
    reader that I like. And to put it where Amazon can=92t touch it; they = have=20
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see=20 >https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    I will pay that much for a book I really really want [1]. What I
    dislike is the occasional older book that claims to have been produced
    with care and charges a price commensurate with effort being expended
    on it which then turns out to be a "run it through OCR and sell it"
    special.=20

    Books under copyright, particularly modern and/or popular books, may
    be entangled with all sorts of overhead expenses or royalties due the
    author which must be collected even if the production cost is minimal
    because the text from the file they sent to the printer is available
    to use in the Kindle.

    [1] I'll pay a lot more for hardcover books that I really really want
    but there aren't many of those -- since text works fine on Kindle,
    only manga/comics/graphic novels/art books are left.

    I don=92t trust them.

    I trust them enough to buy things from them. But, for non-physical
    items, there is definitely a risk: digitial ownership does not appear
    to be the same as physical ownership. Although I suppose the courts
    will eventually sort this out. Or Congress, if it ever gets its sh*t
    together.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Bob Casanova@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Mar 24 06:01:38 2024
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 20:14:44 -0400, the following appeared
    in alt.books.david-weber, posted by WolfFan
    <akwolffan@zoho.com>:

    On Mar 21, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uticbl$2ffb5$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 3/21/2024 5:47 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Mar 20, 2024, Dimensional Traveler wrote
    (in article <utfojc$1oibk$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 3/20/2024 3:34 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Mar 20, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <utfa8p$1ksh8$1@dont-email.me>):

    It's
    already plotted and ready to go. Chris Kennedy and I just handed in the
    sequel to INTO THE LIGHT, and I think it's solid. I'm not sure how far
    we're going to get into that one, but I think we can keep our readers
    satisfied. And the only reason I'm not sure how far we'll get is that I
    set up a heck of a big enemy when I created the Hegemony, and it's >> > > > > likely to "end up" with a case of Mutually Assured Destruction rather
    than a clear cut military victory. Can't say that for sure; we got >> > > > > farther in the current book than we'd really expected.

    the 3rd book is due out shortly. Space vampires, we got.

    Is out. Got it from Amazon last week.

    That’s two space vampires since 2021 vs zero Safehold, Bazhel, Honor, and >> > one Murphy. And Amazon wants $15 for the Kindle version. I’ll hold and see >> > if the price falls.

    I would not hold my breath.

    Lynn

    the probability of my paying $15 for space vamires part 3 is extremely low. >Gone are the days when I’d drop $20-25 or more on Weber in hardback. $15
    for an ebook is simply greed. Especially as I’m not too fond of the Kindle >UI. and would have to deDRM it and convert it to EPUB to feed it to an ebook >reader that I like. And to put it where Amazon can’t touch it; they have >been known to reclaim ebooks. see >https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    Two of those issues are easy to fix (not, unfortunately, the
    greed of publishers); Calibre (which is free) has plugins to
    deDRM every current format, including azw3, and will convert
    between formats. And once it's in the Calibre library, which
    is *far* superior to Kindle for PC, Amazon can't touch it.

    I don’t trust them.

    Neither do I, but the above means I don't have to.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Mar 24 06:14:54 2024
    On 3/23/2024 8:45 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can’t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    I don’t trust them.

    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!

    Much as I agree that reasonably-limited copyrights are helpful, what, exactly, is a vendor supposed to do when it finds that it has broken
    the law by selling something it has no right to sell? Go to jail? Pay ginormous fines [1] for copyright violation?

    I don't know if this is the case I remember, but, in the one I
    remember, the /real/ problem was that the book was an over-the-summer
    reading assignment requiring a book report -- and the notes the kid
    was planning to use for that report vanished as well.

    [1] At the rate of one fine per book sold, they will mount up
    endlessly.

    Yes, part of what raised the volume on the screaming was that users'
    notes and annotations had also been erased.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.


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    * Origin: A noiseless patient Spider (3:633/280.2@fidonet)
  • From Mad Hamish@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Mar 24 19:07:30 2024
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can’t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    I don’t trust them.

    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!

    What were they meant to do when they found that the publisher didn't
    have the rights to the book?

    --- MBSE BBS v1.0.8.4 (Linux-x86_64)
    * Origin: A noiseless patient Spider (3:633/280.2@fidonet)
  • From Mad Hamish@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Mar 24 19:10:06 2024
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:29:08 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/21/2024 5:47 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Mar 20, 2024, Dimensional Traveler wrote
    (in article <utfojc$1oibk$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 3/20/2024 3:34 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Mar 20, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <utfa8p$1ksh8$1@dont-email.me>):

    It's
    already plotted and ready to go. Chris Kennedy and I just handed in the >>>>> sequel to INTO THE LIGHT, and I think it's solid. I'm not sure how far >>>>> we're going to get into that one, but I think we can keep our readers >>>>> satisfied. And the only reason I'm not sure how far we'll get is that I >>>>> set up a heck of a big enemy when I created the Hegemony, and it's
    likely to "end up" with a case of Mutually Assured Destruction rather >>>>> than a clear cut military victory. Can't say that for sure; we got
    farther in the current book than we'd really expected.

    the 3rd book is due out shortly. Space vampires, we got.

    Is out. Got it from Amazon last week.

    That’s two space vampires since 2021 vs zero Safehold, Bazhel, Honor, and
    one Murphy. And Amazon wants $15 for the Kindle version. I’ll hold and see >> if the price falls.

    I would not hold my breath.

    Pretty decent odds that the kindle price will drop when there's a
    paperback release.

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Mar 25 02:25:02 2024
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 12:14:54 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 8:45 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    =20
    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can=92t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see
    =
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    I don=92t trust them.

    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!
    =20
    Much as I agree that reasonably-limited copyrights are helpful, what,
    exactly, is a vendor supposed to do when it finds that it has broken
    the law by selling something it has no right to sell? Go to jail? Pay
    ginormous fines [1] for copyright violation?
    =20
    I don't know if this is the case I remember, but, in the one I
    remember, the /real/ problem was that the book was an over-the-summer
    reading assignment requiring a book report -- and the notes the kid
    was planning to use for that report vanished as well.
    =20
    [1] At the rate of one fine per book sold, they will mount up
    endlessly.

    Yes, part of what raised the volume on the screaming was that users'=20
    notes and annotations had also been erased.

    As it should have -- /that/ was actual damage sustained by the
    customer. Just having to buy a legal copy if you wanted to finish the
    book was merely inconvenient.

    Speaking of Kindle annoyances -- my new Kindles (both old ones stopped
    working on their own with no encouragement [such as being dropped]
    from me) now show /every/ passage underlined that anyone else has
    annotated and tells me how many annotators there are -- as part of
    Whispersync. No option to drop this "feature" has been found so far.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- MBSE BBS v1.0.8.4 (Linux-x86_64)
    * Origin: A noiseless patient Spider (3:633/280.2@fidonet)
  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Mar 25 02:26:49 2024
    On 3/24/2024 1:07 AM, Mad Hamish wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can’t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    I don’t trust them.

    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!

    What were they meant to do when they found that the publisher didn't
    have the rights to the book?

    Stop selling it, same as if it were physical printed copies.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.


    --- MBSE BBS v1.0.8.4 (Linux-x86_64)
    * Origin: A noiseless patient Spider (3:633/280.2@fidonet)
  • From WolfFan@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Mar 25 03:08:44 2024
    On Mar 24, 2024, Dimensional Traveler wrote
    (in article <utpgno$ec3b$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 3/24/2024 1:07 AM, Mad Hamish wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can’t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    I don’t trust them.
    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!

    What were they meant to do when they found that the publisher didn't
    have the rights to the book?

    Stop selling it, same as if it were physical printed copies.

    Exactly. Yanking it from custyomers’ devices was, and is, totally unacceptable. The fact that they sold something that they shouldn’t have is a THEM problem, not a CUSTOMER problem.


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Mar 25 04:11:46 2024
    On 3/24/2024 8:25 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 12:14:54 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 8:45 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can’t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html >>>>>
    I don’t trust them.

    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!

    Much as I agree that reasonably-limited copyrights are helpful, what,
    exactly, is a vendor supposed to do when it finds that it has broken
    the law by selling something it has no right to sell? Go to jail? Pay
    ginormous fines [1] for copyright violation?

    I don't know if this is the case I remember, but, in the one I
    remember, the /real/ problem was that the book was an over-the-summer
    reading assignment requiring a book report -- and the notes the kid
    was planning to use for that report vanished as well.

    [1] At the rate of one fine per book sold, they will mount up
    endlessly.

    Yes, part of what raised the volume on the screaming was that users'
    notes and annotations had also been erased.

    As it should have -- /that/ was actual damage sustained by the
    customer. Just having to buy a legal copy if you wanted to finish the
    book was merely inconvenient.

    Speaking of Kindle annoyances -- my new Kindles (both old ones stopped working on their own with no encouragement [such as being dropped]
    from me)

    If one were paranoid or had ever dealt with a tech company before (but I repeat myself) one might suspect deliberate remote bricking....


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.


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    * Origin: A noiseless patient Spider (3:633/280.2@fidonet)
  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Mar 26 02:26:44 2024
    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:11:46 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/24/2024 8:25 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 12:14:54 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    =20
    On 3/23/2024 8:45 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can=92t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see
    =
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    I don=92t trust them.

    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!

    Much as I agree that reasonably-limited copyrights are helpful, =
    what,
    exactly, is a vendor supposed to do when it finds that it has broken
    the law by selling something it has no right to sell? Go to jail? =
    Pay
    ginormous fines [1] for copyright violation?

    I don't know if this is the case I remember, but, in the one I
    remember, the /real/ problem was that the book was an =
    over-the-summer
    reading assignment requiring a book report -- and the notes the kid
    was planning to use for that report vanished as well.

    [1] At the rate of one fine per book sold, they will mount up
    endlessly.

    Yes, part of what raised the volume on the screaming was that users'
    notes and annotations had also been erased.
    =20
    As it should have -- /that/ was actual damage sustained by the
    customer. Just having to buy a legal copy if you wanted to finish the
    book was merely inconvenient.
    =20
    Speaking of Kindle annoyances -- my new Kindles (both old ones stopped
    working on their own with no encouragement [such as being dropped]
    from me)=20

    If one were paranoid or had ever dealt with a tech company before (but I=
    =20
    repeat myself) one might suspect deliberate remote bricking....

    The Kindles that died were purchased in Feb 2014. One (a refurbished replacement for one whose screen I managed to crack) died in Dec 2023,
    the other in Feb 2024. The batteries still charged (well, the amber
    charging light eventually turned green), but they just didn't respond,
    even to attempted rebooting. Ten years of use isn't all that bad,
    although what part(s) failed is a mystery.

    I returned both of them. The first was a hoot: I was supposed to print
    a Special Lable in color, but didn't have a color printer. So I
    printed it on my trusty B&W dot matrix Panasonic (older than the
    Kindles, BTW) and used a red marker to add color to the parts that
    were supposed to be red (something to do with the type of battery
    inside). The second required no such lable. I got $25 back (as a
    credit) on each replacement.

    Technically, that was a $5 coupon and 20% off the price of the
    replacement. The $20 was taken off when I ordered the replacement
    after setting up the return; the email acknowledging acceptance of the
    return was written as if the $20 would be taken off only after
    acceptance. So they appear to have conflicting theories. They did say
    that, if I didn't return it or it wasn't accepted they would recoup
    the $20 (and maybe the $5 as well).

    The other weird thing I have noticed (aside from a new user interface,
    which is not, IMHO, an improvement on the old one) is that, with the
    "ads" set to "targetted" what I am being targetted /with/ is a
    rotating set of "bedtime stories for parents and children" with
    cutesy-poo cover illustrations and cutesy-poo titles. It's a good
    thing I'm not diabetic; if I were, that much sugar (only a wee bit
    each time, but it accumulates over time) would be fatal.

    I am reading Dumas on one and Deaver on the other. Neither are
    cutesy-poo, so Amazon's ad targetting appears to be off. Way off.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Mar 26 02:29:40 2024
    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:08:44 -0400, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
    wrote:

    On Mar 24, 2024, Dimensional Traveler wrote
    (in article <utpgno$ec3b$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 3/24/2024 1:07 AM, Mad Hamish wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:43:30 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/22/2024 5:14 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    And to put it where Amazon can=92t touch it; they have
    been known to reclaim ebooks. see
    = https://www.pcworld.com/article/519855/amazon_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html

    I don=92t trust them.
    Ya, that whole incident was just stupid. And of all the titles to
    reclaim THAT had to be first?!

    What were they meant to do when they found that the publisher didn't
    have the rights to the book?

    Stop selling it, same as if it were physical printed copies.

    Exactly. Yanking it from custyomers=92 devices was, and is, totally=20 >unacceptable. The fact that they sold something that they shouldn=92t =
    have is=20
    a THEM problem, not a CUSTOMER problem.

    We are wandering here into the legal wasteland of just what it means
    to "own" -- well, anything digital (book, music, video).

    =46or example, can such things be /inherited/? Or do they cease to be
    legally useable by anyone when the purchaser moves on? I don't know it
    this has come up yet, but it will, oh yes, it will.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Mar 26 06:59:33 2024
    On 3/25/2024 12:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <of430jhol42mbrqltav0n25mi14qltm3uc@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    The other weird thing I have noticed (aside from a new user interface,
    which is not, IMHO, an improvement on the old one) is that, with the
    "ads" set to "targetted" what I am being targetted /with/ is a
    rotating set of "bedtime stories for parents and children" with
    cutesy-poo cover illustrations and cutesy-poo titles. It's a good
    thing I'm not diabetic; if I were, that much sugar (only a wee bit
    each time, but it accumulates over time) would be fatal.

    I am reading Dumas on one and Deaver on the other. Neither are
    cutesy-poo, so Amazon's ad targetting appears to be off. Way off.

    I'm getting those too.

    I've lost one jailbroken 2011 Kindle Keyboard to some sort of
    hardware issue, but the other is still going strong. It is amusing
    how slow search gets when you have 1240 books loaded. Definitely
    don't want to "trade up" to one without the read-out-loud feature and
    a headphone jack.

    I use the kindle app on ipad and an android phone, and haven't
    noticed any ads beyond 'you might like this book'.

    ....but I don't get the text-to-voice, and I'd love to have it.

    pt

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Mar 29 15:57:38 2024
    On 26/03/24 08:59, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/25/2024 12:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    snip

    I've lost one jailbroken 2011 Kindle Keyboard to some sort of
    hardware issue, but the other is still going strong.˙ It is amusing
    how slow search gets when you have 1240 books loaded.˙ Definitely
    don't want to "trade up" to one without the read-out-loud feature and
    a headphone jack.

    ˙I use the kindle app on ipad and an android phone, and haven't
    noticed any ads beyond 'you might like this book'.

    ...but I don't get the text-to-voice, and I'd love to have it.


    My first Kindle was bought in 2011 but my books are all stored in
    Calibre so I never would have had more than a hundred on it so never
    noticed speed of response to anything but the touch screen on later
    models is far superior for ease of use. I use the Amazon provided Kindle
    for PC and do not register the Kindle so do not receive any ads.
    I suspect you would be very disappointed with the quality of text to
    voice on this 2011 Kindle as the computer just produces words in a
    computer voice with no change in emotion, speed or volumne.


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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Mar 30 03:22:48 2024
    On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 17:57:38 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 26/03/24 08:59, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/25/2024 12:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    snip

    I've lost one jailbroken 2011 Kindle Keyboard to some sort of
    hardware issue, but the other is still going strong.=A0 It is amusing
    how slow search gets when you have 1240 books loaded.=A0 Definitely
    don't want to "trade up" to one without the read-out-loud feature and
    a headphone jack.
    =20
    =A0I use the kindle app on ipad and an android phone, and haven't
    noticed any ads beyond 'you might like this book'.
    =20
    ...but I don't get the text-to-voice, and I'd love to have it.
    =20

    My first Kindle was bought in 2011 but my books are all stored in
    Calibre so I never would have had more than a hundred on it so never
    noticed speed of response to anything but the touch screen on later
    models is far superior for ease of use. I use the Amazon provided Kindle
    for PC and do not register the Kindle so do not receive any ads.
    I suspect you would be very disappointed with the quality of text to
    voice on this 2011 Kindle as the computer just produces words in a
    computer voice with no change in emotion, speed or volumne.

    Actually, I found the mechanical Kindle (the Refurbished one) easier
    to use overall. For one thing, the keyboard is set up alphabetically,
    which makes sense since touch typing is not involved.

    It also worked better with footnotes. A few novels have had footnotes
    and some even implement them rather than just show the numbers and put
    the text wherever it falls. With the mechanical Kindle, you can select
    the number, go to the note, and then return. With the touch-screen
    Kindle, I had to increase the font size/line spacing so that I could
    reliable touch the footnote number (as opposed to anything else in its vicinity), but I will say that things went more smoothly after I did.
    Still, having to turn my book into a Large Print edition just to
    follow the footnotes is a definite disadvantage, IMHO.

    OTOH, the touch Kindles apparently list all the groups I form whether
    they contain books on that Kindle or not.

    The newest Kindles have a new USB socket and a shorter cable (solved
    with an extension cable and the fact that both use the same USB
    socket), and a new user interface with insists on showing (by default)
    /all/ collections and /all/ Books on a scrolling display (instead of a
    bunch of screens). The closest I can come to what I want (the
    Paperwhite interface, which did not show books that were in
    collections outside of the collections, at least when configured
    properly), is to show only unread books. I have to remember to add
    each new book to a collection when it is received, since it won't be
    visible after it is read. But only if I view it in the Library, which
    is /not/ the default view. The default view is the Store. Of course,
    since I spend 99% of my time on the Kindle reading the books, I don't
    have to deal with these annoyances very often.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Mar 31 13:58:30 2024
    On 29/03/24 18:19, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <uu5ho2$3ru6$2@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 26/03/24 08:59, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/25/2024 12:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    snip

    I've lost one jailbroken 2011 Kindle Keyboard to some sort of
    hardware issue, but the other is still going strong.˙ It is amusing
    how slow search gets when you have 1240 books loaded.˙ Definitely
    don't want to "trade up" to one without the read-out-loud feature and
    a headphone jack.

    ˙I use the kindle app on ipad and an android phone, and haven't
    noticed any ads beyond 'you might like this book'.

    ...but I don't get the text-to-voice, and I'd love to have it.


    My first Kindle was bought in 2011 but my books are all stored in
    Calibre so I never would have had more than a hundred on it so never
    noticed speed of response to anything but the touch screen on later
    models is far superior for ease of use. I use the Amazon provided Kindle
    for PC and do not register the Kindle so do not receive any ads.
    I suspect you would be very disappointed with the quality of text to
    voice on this 2011 Kindle as the computer just produces words in a
    computer voice with no change in emotion, speed or volumne.


    Yeah, I have all my ebooks in Calibre as well, the 1240 also on the
    Kindle are just the ones I haven't read yet.

    I posted an example of the text-to-voice here a few weeks ago, let me
    dig it up agian:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nxRIQz0kc

    Thanks, but I thought that that was terrible and I couldn't understand
    much without reading at the same time.


    There are a few settings you can tweak. As I recall I picked a female
    voice and either sped it up a little or slowed it down a little the
    default was off one way or the other.

    It takes a little getting used to, but I find it quite comprehensible.

    There are occasional comic aspects. For instance, Lindsay Buroker has
    a writing tic where her characters say "Hmm." as a thinking pause.
    The Kindle pronounces this as "hectameters". Since the first place
    I encountered it was a semi-steampunk setting where "hectameters" was
    a plausible mild swear, it took me a while to figure out what was going
    on.

    I get the feeling from reading Amazon reviews that lots of people expect audiobooks to be something close to radio dramas. I don't get that at
    all. A narrator should not try to act the book.

    My complaint is with the Kindle as narrator. I have never listened to an
    audio book. I am sure my eyes, not knowing what to do, would close
    inducing sleep.


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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Apr 1 15:12:04 2024
    On 29/03/24 18:19, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    snip

    I posted an example of the text-to-voice here a few weeks ago, let me
    dig it up agian:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nxRIQz0kc
    There are a few settings you can tweak.

    Today I read of the advancement of this topic. The web reference address
    tells all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/31/openai-deems-its-voice-cloning-tool-too-risky-for-general-release




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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Apr 3 12:04:08 2024
    Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 29/03/24 18:19, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <uu5ho2$3ru6$2@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 26/03/24 08:59, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/25/2024 12:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    snip

    I've lost one jailbroken 2011 Kindle Keyboard to some sort of
    hardware issue, but the other is still going strong.˙ It is amusing
    how slow search gets when you have 1240 books loaded.˙ Definitely
    don't want to "trade up" to one without the read-out-loud feature and >>>>> a headphone jack.

    ˙I use the kindle app on ipad and an android phone, and haven't
    noticed any ads beyond 'you might like this book'.

    ...but I don't get the text-to-voice, and I'd love to have it.


    My first Kindle was bought in 2011 but my books are all stored in
    Calibre so I never would have had more than a hundred on it so never
    noticed speed of response to anything but the touch screen on later
    models is far superior for ease of use. I use the Amazon provided Kindle >>> for PC and do not register the Kindle so do not receive any ads.
    I suspect you would be very disappointed with the quality of text to
    voice on this 2011 Kindle as the computer just produces words in a
    computer voice with no change in emotion, speed or volumne.


    Yeah, I have all my ebooks in Calibre as well, the 1240 also on the
    Kindle are just the ones I haven't read yet.

    I posted an example of the text-to-voice here a few weeks ago, let me
    dig it up agian:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nxRIQz0kc

    Thanks, but I thought that that was terrible and I couldn't understand
    much without reading at the same time.


    There are a few settings you can tweak. As I recall I picked a female
    voice and either sped it up a little or slowed it down a little the
    default was off one way or the other.

    It takes a little getting used to, but I find it quite comprehensible.

    There are occasional comic aspects. For instance, Lindsay Buroker has
    a writing tic where her characters say "Hmm." as a thinking pause.
    The Kindle pronounces this as "hectameters". Since the first place
    I encountered it was a semi-steampunk setting where "hectameters" was
    a plausible mild swear, it took me a while to figure out what was going
    on.

    I get the feeling from reading Amazon reviews that lots of people expect
    audiobooks to be something close to radio dramas. I don't get that at
    all. A narrator should not try to act the book.

    My complaint is with the Kindle as narrator. I have never listened to an audio book. I am sure my eyes, not knowing what to do, would close
    inducing sleep.



    One I use on my Android phone (Moon+ reader) has a text to voice feature.
    It has a little inflection, rising at the end of questions, an momentary
    pauses
    at the end of sentences. However, it makes errors, particularly with names
    and
    acronyms. At one point, it enchanterd a text referring to a woman's 'DD' assets, which it pronounced 'Doctor of Divinity'.

    BTW, I'm posting this using 'NewsTal', the only iPad capable newsreader on
    the Apple Store. It has some truly brain dead design decisions, but sort of

    works. Does it look ok?

    Pt



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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Apr 4 02:42:00 2024
    On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 01:04:08 -0000 (UTC), Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 29/03/24 18:19, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <uu5ho2$3ru6$2@dont-email.me>, Titus G =
    <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 26/03/24 08:59, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/25/2024 12:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    snip
    =20
    I've lost one jailbroken 2011 Kindle Keyboard to some sort of
    hardware issue, but the other is still going strong.=A0 It is =
    amusing
    how slow search gets when you have 1240 books loaded.=A0 =
    Definitely
    don't want to "trade up" to one without the read-out-loud feature =
    and
    a headphone jack.
    =20
    =A0I use the kindle app on ipad and an android phone, and haven't
    noticed any ads beyond 'you might like this book'.
    =20
    ...but I don't get the text-to-voice, and I'd love to have it.
    =20
    =20
    My first Kindle was bought in 2011 but my books are all stored in
    Calibre so I never would have had more than a hundred on it so never
    noticed speed of response to anything but the touch screen on later
    models is far superior for ease of use. I use the Amazon provided =
    Kindle
    for PC and do not register the Kindle so do not receive any ads.
    I suspect you would be very disappointed with the quality of text to
    voice on this 2011 Kindle as the computer just produces words in a
    computer voice with no change in emotion, speed or volumne.
    =20
    =20
    Yeah, I have all my ebooks in Calibre as well, the 1240 also on the
    Kindle are just the ones I haven't read yet.
    =20
    I posted an example of the text-to-voice here a few weeks ago, let me
    dig it up agian:
    =20
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df0nxRIQz0kc
    =20
    Thanks, but I thought that that was terrible and I couldn't understand
    much without reading at the same time.
    =20
    =20
    There are a few settings you can tweak. As I recall I picked a =
    female
    voice and either sped it up a little or slowed it down a little the
    default was off one way or the other.
    =20
    It takes a little getting used to, but I find it quite =
    comprehensible.
    =20
    There are occasional comic aspects. For instance, Lindsay Buroker =
    has
    a writing tic where her characters say "Hmm." as a thinking pause.
    The Kindle pronounces this as "hectameters". Since the first place
    I encountered it was a semi-steampunk setting where "hectameters" was
    a plausible mild swear, it took me a while to figure out what was =
    going
    on.
    =20
    I get the feeling from reading Amazon reviews that lots of people =
    expect
    audiobooks to be something close to radio dramas. I don't get that =
    at
    all. A narrator should not try to act the book.
    =20
    My complaint is with the Kindle as narrator. I have never listened to =
    an
    audio book. I am sure my eyes, not knowing what to do, would close
    inducing sleep.
    =20
    =20

    One I use on my Android phone (Moon+ reader) has a text to voice =
    feature.
    It has a little inflection, rising at the end of questions, an momentary >pauses
    at the end of sentences. However, it makes errors, particularly with =
    names
    and
    acronyms. At one point, it enchanterd a text referring to a woman's 'DD' >assets, which it pronounced 'Doctor of Divinity'.

    BTW, I'm posting this using 'NewsTal', the only iPad capable newsreader =
    on
    the Apple Store. It has some truly brain dead design decisions, but sort=
    of

    works. Does it look ok?

    Looks fine.

    I'm not sure about "enchanterd", however. Perhaps "encountered"?

    And, as an academic or honorary degree, "DD" can be "Doctor of
    Divinity". But "DDiv" can be as well.

    But it's all about context, and teaching a machine about that
    particular context might be very ... interesting.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- MBSE BBS v1.0.8.4 (Linux-x86_64)
    * Origin: A noiseless patient Spider (3:633/280.2@fidonet)
  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Apr 4 03:48:45 2024
    On 4/3/2024 11:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 01:04:08 -0000 (UTC), Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 29/03/24 18:19, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <uu5ho2$3ru6$2@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 26/03/24 08:59, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/25/2024 12:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    snip

    I've lost one jailbroken 2011 Kindle Keyboard to some sort of
    hardware issue, but the other is still going strong.˙ It is amusing >>>>>>> how slow search gets when you have 1240 books loaded.˙ Definitely >>>>>>> don't want to "trade up" to one without the read-out-loud feature and >>>>>>> a headphone jack.

    ˙I use the kindle app on ipad and an android phone, and haven't
    noticed any ads beyond 'you might like this book'.

    ...but I don't get the text-to-voice, and I'd love to have it.


    My first Kindle was bought in 2011 but my books are all stored in
    Calibre so I never would have had more than a hundred on it so never >>>>> noticed speed of response to anything but the touch screen on later
    models is far superior for ease of use. I use the Amazon provided Kindle >>>>> for PC and do not register the Kindle so do not receive any ads.
    I suspect you would be very disappointed with the quality of text to >>>>> voice on this 2011 Kindle as the computer just produces words in a
    computer voice with no change in emotion, speed or volumne.


    Yeah, I have all my ebooks in Calibre as well, the 1240 also on the
    Kindle are just the ones I haven't read yet.

    I posted an example of the text-to-voice here a few weeks ago, let me
    dig it up agian:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nxRIQz0kc

    Thanks, but I thought that that was terrible and I couldn't understand
    much without reading at the same time.


    There are a few settings you can tweak. As I recall I picked a female >>>> voice and either sped it up a little or slowed it down a little the
    default was off one way or the other.

    It takes a little getting used to, but I find it quite comprehensible. >>>>
    There are occasional comic aspects. For instance, Lindsay Buroker has >>>> a writing tic where her characters say "Hmm." as a thinking pause.
    The Kindle pronounces this as "hectameters". Since the first place
    I encountered it was a semi-steampunk setting where "hectameters" was
    a plausible mild swear, it took me a while to figure out what was going >>>> on.

    I get the feeling from reading Amazon reviews that lots of people expect >>>> audiobooks to be something close to radio dramas. I don't get that at >>>> all. A narrator should not try to act the book.

    My complaint is with the Kindle as narrator. I have never listened to an >>> audio book. I am sure my eyes, not knowing what to do, would close
    inducing sleep.



    One I use on my Android phone (Moon+ reader) has a text to voice feature.
    It has a little inflection, rising at the end of questions, an momentary
    pauses
    at the end of sentences. However, it makes errors, particularly with names >> and
    acronyms. At one point, it enchanterd a text referring to a woman's 'DD'
    assets, which it pronounced 'Doctor of Divinity'.

    BTW, I'm posting this using 'NewsTal', the only iPad capable newsreader on >> the Apple Store. It has some truly brain dead design decisions, but sort of >>
    works. Does it look ok?

    Looks fine.

    I'm not sure about "enchanterd", however. Perhaps "encountered"?

    And, as an academic or honorary degree, "DD" can be "Doctor of
    Divinity". But "DDiv" can be as well.

    But it's all about context, and teaching a machine about that
    particular context might be very ... interesting.

    'enchantered' was a typo for 'encountered' - sorry.

    I found the error on 'DD' amusing more than anything.

    pt

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