Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
https://www.amazon.com/Time-Enough-Love-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0441810764/
The second book in a very loose series of science fiction books. I read >>the well printed and well bound MMPB for the third of fourth time
published by Ace in 1988 that I bought new in 1990. The book was first >>published in 1973 by Putnam that I have a copy of, in very bad shape
(the spine is unglued and half of back cover is ripped off), that I may >>have stolen from my father. I plan to reread the other four books in
the series eventually plus "The Pursuit Of The Pankera" for the first time. >>
It has been 25 years or more since I read this book and I could not >>remember much so I read it again. The book is mainly a group of
novelettes tied together as a biography with huge sections missing. The >>book starts out when Lazarus Long is over 2,000 years old and in a
Howard Rejuvenation clinic against his will. He wants to die and tried
to do so but was found by his great*something grandson and moved into
the rejuvenation clinic. BTW, the rejuvenation process is never
explained but it sounds like a compete body and brain replacement with a >>clone.
If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex, in a book then I
would advise you to stay away from this book and series. Except for the >>first book in the series, "Methusalah's Children". All of the books, >>except the first book, have group marriages in them which was first >>expounded by Heinlein in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" book.
The book series is
1. Methuselah's Children
2. Time Enough For Love
3. The Number Of The Beast
4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset
Jo Walton says that "Time Enough For Love" is not Heinlein's worst novel
by far, but, it is too long.
https://reactormag.com/heinleins-worst-novel/
There is a very long Wikipedia entry at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love
There is a much better review by James Nicoll at:
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/not-the-worst-heinlein-novel
My rating: 6 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.6 of out 5 stars (2,345 reviews)
My impression, having not read it since the late 70s, is that whether it
was intended that way or not, it is a "fix-up", so you can take the segments that are excellent as they come, and not agonize that the parts you don't like will taint the rest.
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
ÿÿ https://www.amazon.com/Time-Enough-Love-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0441810764/
The second book in a very loose series of science fiction books.ÿ I read
the well printed and well bound MMPB for the third of fourth time
published by Ace in 1988 that I bought new in 1990.ÿ The book was first published in 1973 by Putnam that I have a copy of, in very bad shape
(the spine is unglued and half of back cover is ripped off), that I may
have stolen from my father.ÿ I plan to reread the other four books in
the series eventually plus "The Pursuit Of The Pankera" for the first time.
It has been 25 years or more since I read this book and I could not
remember much so I read it again.ÿ The book is mainly a group of
novelettes tied together as a biography with huge sections missing.ÿ The book starts out when Lazarus Long is over 2,000 years old and in a
Howard Rejuvenation clinic against his will.ÿ He wants to die and tried
to do so but was found by his great*something grandson and moved into
the rejuvenation clinic.ÿ BTW, the rejuvenation process is never
explained but it sounds like a compete body and brain replacement with a clone.
If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex, in a book then I
would advise you to stay away from this book and series.ÿ Except for the first book in the series, "Methusalah's Children".ÿ All of the books,
except the first book, have group marriages in them which was first expounded by Heinlein in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" book.
The book series is
1. Methuselah's Children
2. Time Enough For Love
3. The Number Of The Beast
4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset
Jo Walton says that "Time Enough For Love" is not Heinlein's worst novel
by far, but, it is too long.
ÿÿ https://reactormag.com/heinleins-worst-novel/
There is a very long Wikipedia entry at:
ÿÿ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love
There is a much better review by James Nicoll at:
ÿÿ https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/not-the-worst-heinlein-novel
My rating:ÿ 6 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating:ÿ 4.6 of out 5 stars (2,345 reviews)
Lynn
On 4/5/2024 6:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
https://www.amazon.com/Time-Enough-Love-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0441810764/
The second book in a very loose series of science fiction books.ÿ I
read the well printed and well bound MMPB for the third of fourth time
published by Ace in 1988 that I bought new in 1990.ÿ The book was
first published in 1973 by Putnam that I have a copy of, in very bad
shape (the spine is unglued and half of back cover is ripped off),
that I may have stolen from my father.ÿ I plan to reread the other
four books in the series eventually plus "The Pursuit Of The Pankera"
for the first time.
It has been 25 years or more since I read this book and I could not
remember much so I read it again.ÿ The book is mainly a group of
novelettes tied together as a biography with huge sections missing.
The book starts out when Lazarus Long is over 2,000 years old and in a
Howard Rejuvenation clinic against his will.ÿ He wants to die and
tried to do so but was found by his great*something grandson and moved
into the rejuvenation clinic.ÿ BTW, the rejuvenation process is never
explained but it sounds like a compete body and brain replacement with
a clone.
If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex, in a book then I
would advise you to stay away from this book and series.ÿ Except for
the first book in the series, "Methusalah's Children".ÿ All of the
books, except the first book, have group marriages in them which was
first expounded by Heinlein in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" book.
The book series is
1. Methuselah's Children
2. Time Enough For Love
3. The Number Of The Beast
4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset
Jo Walton says that "Time Enough For Love" is not Heinlein's worst
novel by far, but, it is too long.
ÿÿÿ https://reactormag.com/heinleins-worst-novel/
There is a very long Wikipedia entry at:
ÿÿÿ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love
There is a much better review by James Nicoll at:
ÿÿÿ https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/not-the-worst-heinlein-novel
My rating:ÿ 6 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating:ÿ 4.6 of out 5 stars (2,345 reviews)
Lynn
I forgot one thing out of the book that made an impression to me.
Lazarus Long tells his great*something grandson that when a planet hits
a population of a billion, it is time to move on to a new planet.ÿ By
that measure, it is WAY past time to move on to new planets from Earth.
Ted Nolanwrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
https://www.amazon.com/Time-Enough-Love-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0441810764/ >>>
The second book in a very loose series of science fiction books. I read >>> the well printed and well bound MMPB for the third of fourth time
published by Ace in 1988 that I bought new in 1990. The book was first
published in 1973 by Putnam that I have a copy of, in very bad shape
(the spine is unglued and half of back cover is ripped off), that I may
have stolen from my father. I plan to reread the other four books in
the series eventually plus "The Pursuit Of The Pankera" for the first time. >>>
It has been 25 years or more since I read this book and I could not
remember much so I read it again. The book is mainly a group of
novelettes tied together as a biography with huge sections missing. The >>> book starts out when Lazarus Long is over 2,000 years old and in a
Howard Rejuvenation clinic against his will. He wants to die and tried
to do so but was found by his great*something grandson and moved into
the rejuvenation clinic. BTW, the rejuvenation process is never
explained but it sounds like a compete body and brain replacement with a >>> clone.
If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex, in a book then I
would advise you to stay away from this book and series. Except for the >>> first book in the series, "Methusalah's Children". All of the books,
except the first book, have group marriages in them which was first
expounded by Heinlein in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" book.
The book series is
1. Methuselah's Children
2. Time Enough For Love
3. The Number Of The Beast
4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset
Jo Walton says that "Time Enough For Love" is not Heinlein's worst novel >>> by far, but, it is too long.
https://reactormag.com/heinleins-worst-novel/
There is a very long Wikipedia entry at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love
There is a much better review by James Nicoll at:
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/not-the-worst-heinlein-novel
My rating: 6 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.6 of out 5 stars (2,345 reviews)
My impression, having not read it since the late 70s, is that whether it
was intended that way or not, it is a "fix-up", so you can take the segments >> that are excellent as they come, and not agonize that the parts you don't
like will taint the rest.
"Chee," said Murgatroyd conversationally, in his shrill treble.
During this evening's dog walk Microsoft David started to narrate
"Ribbon in the Sky," the last story in Leinster's MedShip tetralogy.
The tetralogy's so enjoyable - filled with notions of potions of
dextrethyl vapor, polysulphate, magnesium sulphate and ether - it calls
for an immediate encore. > After the MedShip redux's done, there will be time enough to give
_Time Enough for Love_ a second chance. Only this time through it'll be heard, not read.
Danke,
Don wrote:
"Chee," said Murgatroyd conversationally, in his shrill treble.
During this evening's dog walk Microsoft David started to narrate
"Ribbon in the Sky," the last story in Leinster's MedShip tetralogy.
Turns out Leinster wrote 8 MedShip stories - all 8 are collected in the
Baen volume Med Ship, and I'm pretty sure you could find the ones you
haven't read in other places as well.
Tony Nance wrote:
Don wrote:
<snip>
"Chee," said Murgatroyd conversationally, in his shrill treble.
During this evening's dog walk Microsoft David started to narrate
"Ribbon in the Sky," the last story in Leinster's MedShip tetralogy.
Turns out Leinster wrote 8 MedShip stories - all 8 are collected in the
Baen volume Med Ship, and I'm pretty sure you could find the ones you
haven't read in other places as well.
You are indeed correct. It's hard to say what gave me the idea it was a
mere tetralogy when it's actually two tetralogies tangled together, so
to speak, or an octology, as they say.
On 4/5/2024 9:48 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
And that bit of advice from Lazarus Long is based on out-dated
I forgot one thing out of the book that made an impression to me.
Lazarus Long tells his great*something grandson that when a planet hits
a population of a billion, it is time to move on to a new planet. By
that measure, it is WAY past time to move on to new planets from Earth.
assumptions that weren't even accurate when those books were written.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:By=20
On 4/5/2024 9:48 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
=20
I forgot one thing out of the book that made an impression to me.=20
Lazarus Long tells his great*something grandson that when a planet = hits=20
a population of a billion, it is time to move on to a new planet.=C2=A0=
Earth.that measure, it is WAY past time to move on to new planets from =
really=20And that bit of advice from Lazarus Long is based on out-dated=20 >>assumptions that weren't even accurate when those books were written.
I am inclined to believe it's somewhere in the ballpark, though. We =
need to be exploring and moving to new planets.
I do think that limit would seem to be kind of dependent on the size of = the=20
planet, though. =20
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinleinhttps://www.amazon.com/Time-Enough-Love-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0441810764/
=
The second book in a very loose series of science fiction books. I read==20
the well printed and well bound MMPB for the third of fourth time=20 >published by Ace in 1988 that I bought new in 1990. The book was first=20 >published in 1973 by Putnam that I have a copy of, in very bad shape=20time.
(the spine is unglued and half of back cover is ripped off), that I may=20 >have stolen from my father. I plan to reread the other four books in=20
the series eventually plus "The Pursuit Of The Pankera" for the first =
It has been 25 years or more since I read this book and I could not=20 >remember much so I read it again. The book is mainly a group of=20 >novelettes tied together as a biography with huge sections missing. The==20
book starts out when Lazarus Long is over 2,000 years old and in a=20=20
Howard Rejuvenation clinic against his will. He wants to die and tried=20
to do so but was found by his great*something grandson and moved into=20
the rejuvenation clinic. BTW, the rejuvenation process is never=20
explained but it sounds like a compete body and brain replacement with a=
clone.=20
If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex, in a book then I=20
would advise you to stay away from this book and series. Except for the=
first book in the series, "Methusalah's Children". All of the books,=20 >except the first book, have group marriages in them which was first=20 >expounded by Heinlein in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" book.
The book series is
1. Methuselah's Children
2. Time Enough For Love
3. The Number Of The Beast
4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset
Jo Walton says that "Time Enough For Love" is not Heinlein's worst novel==20
by far, but, it is too long.--=20
https://reactormag.com/heinleins-worst-novel/
There is a very long Wikipedia entry at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love
There is a much better review by James Nicoll at:
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/not-the-worst-heinlein-novel
My rating: 6 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.6 of out 5 stars (2,345 reviews)
Lynn
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/5/2024 9:48 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
And that bit of advice from Lazarus Long is based on out-dated
I forgot one thing out of the book that made an impression to me.
Lazarus Long tells his great*something grandson that when a planet hits
a population of a billion, it is time to move on to a new planet.ÿ By
that measure, it is WAY past time to move on to new planets from Earth.
assumptions that weren't even accurate when those books were written.
I am inclined to believe it's somewhere in the ballpark, though. We really need to be exploring and moving to new planets.
I do think that limit would seem to be kind of dependent on the size of the planet, though.
--scott
On 4/5/2024 9:48 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 4/5/2024 6:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:And that bit of advice from Lazarus Long is based on out-dated
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
https://www.amazon.com/Time-Enough-Love-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0441810764/
The second book in a very loose series of science fiction books.ÿ I
read the well printed and well bound MMPB for the third of fourth
time published by Ace in 1988 that I bought new in 1990.ÿ The book
was first published in 1973 by Putnam that I have a copy of, in very
bad shape (the spine is unglued and half of back cover is ripped
off), that I may have stolen from my father.ÿ I plan to reread the
other four books in the series eventually plus "The Pursuit Of The
Pankera" for the first time.
It has been 25 years or more since I read this book and I could not
remember much so I read it again.ÿ The book is mainly a group of
novelettes tied together as a biography with huge sections missing.
The book starts out when Lazarus Long is over 2,000 years old and in
a Howard Rejuvenation clinic against his will.ÿ He wants to die and
tried to do so but was found by his great*something grandson and
moved into the rejuvenation clinic.ÿ BTW, the rejuvenation process is
never explained but it sounds like a compete body and brain
replacement with a clone.
If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex, in a book then I
would advise you to stay away from this book and series.ÿ Except for
the first book in the series, "Methusalah's Children".ÿ All of the
books, except the first book, have group marriages in them which was
first expounded by Heinlein in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" book.
The book series is
1. Methuselah's Children
2. Time Enough For Love
3. The Number Of The Beast
4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset
Jo Walton says that "Time Enough For Love" is not Heinlein's worst
novel by far, but, it is too long.
ÿÿÿ https://reactormag.com/heinleins-worst-novel/
There is a very long Wikipedia entry at:
ÿÿÿ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love
There is a much better review by James Nicoll at:
ÿÿÿ https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/not-the-worst-heinlein-novel
My rating:ÿ 6 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating:ÿ 4.6 of out 5 stars (2,345 reviews)
Lynn
I forgot one thing out of the book that made an impression to me.
Lazarus Long tells his great*something grandson that when a planet
hits a population of a billion, it is time to move on to a new
planet.ÿ By that measure, it is WAY past time to move on to new
planets from Earth.
assumptions that weren't even accurate when those books were written.
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
[...]
The book series is
1. Methuselah's Children
2. Time Enough For Love
3. The Number Of The Beast
4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset
Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
[...]
=20
The book series is
1. Methuselah's Children
An enjoyable read.
=202. Time Enough For Love
I've read it twice and do not regret it. I do slightly regret the loss=20
of the fine novel (or set of short stories) that are embedded in TEFL=20
but I note that there are those, not all in the SF or Heinlein-fan=20 >community, who consider this a great book. It is very far from his worst=
novel, if perhaps a bit farther from his best.=20
3. The Number Of The Beast
Gharlane's excuse for this is that the book is an extended essay by=20 >Heinlein on how not to write a novel. Even were this true - and while=20 >Gharlane knew far more about RAH than I do, I find that hard to believe=20
- it would be no reason to inflict this mess on his readers.
I never bought another Heinlein after this (I had already given him a=20
pass for IWFNE - fool me twice ...), but I received the rest as gifts.
After TEFL I was really, really, looking forward to his next book. In my=
disappointment I probably thought it worse than it was (I've done this=20
in other cases, with other writers) but I've never been able to make=20 >myself give it a second try.
4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
This I've only just heard of. Is it TNOTB without the lessons Gharlane=20
is talking about? If so it might be worth a read.
5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset
I finished both of these. I lack the words to say how much I disliked=20 >them. I was not expecting them to be good, so there was no sense of >disappointment with the latter, and only a tiny amount with the former.
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
On 4/5/2024 9:48 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
I forgot one thing out of the book that made an impression to me. Lazarus Long tells his great*something grandson that when a planet hits a population of a billion, it is time to move on to a new planet.ÿ By that measure, it is WAY past time to move on to new planets from Earth.And that bit of advice from Lazarus Long is based on out-dated assumptions that weren't even accurate when those books were written.
In article <uvjbep$adch$1@dont-email.me>,By
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/04/2024 01.25, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 4/5/2024 9:48 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:a population of a billion, it is time to move on to a new planet.=C2=A0=
I forgot one thing out of the book that made an impression to me. >>Lazarus Long tells his great*something grandson that when a planet hits
that measure, it is WAY past time to move on to new planets from Earth.
And that bit of advice from Lazarus Long is based on out-dated >>assumptions that weren't even accurate when those books were written.
What were those assumptions? I had the impression that LL said that
because of his (or Heinlein's) belief that a planet would get too >>organized/regimented with such a large population. That, of course,
is a matter of taste rather than any objective truth.
That's my memory, and that it was tied to requiring ID cards.
It's a farily common sentiment. Supposedly Lincoln's father said
when you could see the smoke from your neighbor's chimney, the
neighboorhood was getting too crowded, and it was time to move.
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