• Re: 2023 Hugo Awards Censorship???

    From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Apr 10 08:47:41 2024
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Here's the thing about Maoism: if the current regime got rid of Marxism-Len= >inism-
    Stalinism-Mao-Zedong-Thought as the basis of its political system, what wou= >ld=20
    replace it? The Maoist tradition provides political legitimacy. Sure, one=
    could describe=20
    The People's Republic as a technocratic-authoritarian oligarchy with a tota= >litarian=20
    history that bubbles under the surface, but, absent Maoism, what gives it = >any legitimacy?=20

    For a while after his death, the Cult of Mao died off somewhat in China
    and although the government did consider themselves created and inspired
    by Mao, they weren't hanging big Mao banners up everywhere.

    But, in more recent years, the Mao banners have been coming back, precisely
    for the reason you state. Thankfully the Maoist notion of "permanent state
    of revolution" has not come back although I am sure the current management
    has it waiting in the wings if it is necessary for them to retain power.

    Note that we in the US aren't having our own crisis of legitimacy.=20

    Maoism also has the same kind of problem that Reaganism has, in that the
    young Mao was a genius general (one who even defined the birth of a state)
    but who stayed in power far too long and who was a raving and drooling
    fool later in life (witness the Cultural Revolution). When someone speaks
    of Mao, which one are they talking about? Or are they talking about Mao
    the abstract symbol of China?
    --scott
    --
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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Apr 10 17:55:34 2024


    On Wed, 9 Apr 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Here's the thing about Maoism: if the current regime got rid of Marxism-Len= >> inism-
    Stalinism-Mao-Zedong-Thought as the basis of its political system, what wou= >> ld=20
    replace it? The Maoist tradition provides political legitimacy. Sure, one= >> could describe=20
    The People's Republic as a technocratic-authoritarian oligarchy with a tota= >> litarian=20
    history that bubbles under the surface, but, absent Maoism, what gives it = >> any legitimacy?=20

    For a while after his death, the Cult of Mao died off somewhat in China
    and although the government did consider themselves created and inspired
    by Mao, they weren't hanging big Mao banners up everywhere.

    But, in more recent years, the Mao banners have been coming back, precisely for the reason you state. Thankfully the Maoist notion of "permanent state of revolution" has not come back although I am sure the current management has it waiting in the wings if it is necessary for them to retain power.

    It seems they are all using the same playbook. I think Putin has brought
    back and rehabilitated Stalin as well the last couple of years.

    Note that we in the US aren't having our own crisis of legitimacy.=20

    Maoism also has the same kind of problem that Reaganism has, in that the young Mao was a genius general (one who even defined the birth of a state) but who stayed in power far too long and who was a raving and drooling
    fool later in life (witness the Cultural Revolution). When someone speaks
    of Mao, which one are they talking about? Or are they talking about Mao
    the abstract symbol of China?
    --scott


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