• Nebula Finalists 1980

    From James Nicoll@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 23 00:50:34 2024

    This week's Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read features 1980. Ronald
    Reagan began liberating the US from middle class prosperity and a lot
    of interesting SF was published.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke
    On Wings of Song by Thomas M. Disch
    Titan by John Varley
    Jem by Frederik Pohl
    Juniper Time by Kate Wilhelm
    The Road to Corlay by Richard Cowper

    I have read all of them. I've reviewed most of them, save for the Clarke
    and the Disch. Disch also lost a Hugo to Clarke, placing fifth out of
    five finalists.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    Enemy Mine by Barry B. Longyear
    Fireship by Joan D. Vinge
    The Tale of Gorgik by Samuel R. Delany
    Mars Masked by Frederik Pohl
    The Battle of the Abaco Reefs by Hilbert Schenck
    The Story Writer by Richard Wilson

    All but the Schenck. Don't ask me detailed questions about the Delany,
    though.


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Sandkings by George R. R. Martin
    Options by John Varley
    The Ways of Love by Poul Anderson
    Camps by Jack Dann
    The Angel of Death by Michael Shea
    The Pathways of Desire by Ursula K. Le Guin

    All but the Dann (who I seem to have missed almost entirely) and
    the Shea.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?

    giANTS by Edward Bryant
    Unaccompanied Sonata by Orson Scott Card
    The Way of Cross and Dragon by George R. R. Martin
    Red As Blood by Tanith Lee
    The Extraordinary Voyages of Amelie Bertrand by Joanna Russ
    Vernalfest Morning by Michael Bishop

    All but the Russ and the Bishop. I don't remember the Bryant
    (although I do have a collection with it in I could reread) but
    I find it hard to believe I would not have picked the Russ over
    it.

    This seems to have been a good year for The Magazine of Fantasy
    and Science Fiction.
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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 23 02:58:38 2024
    In article <v05tfp$6dm$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    This week's Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read features 1980. Ronald Reagan began liberating the US from middle class prosperity and a lot
    of interesting SF was published.

    Ahem. Reagan became President in 1981. Besides, it was the Japanese who started the liberation from middle class prosperity in the mid 1970s
    (that's when the US manufacturing balance of trade went negative and has stayed that way ever since).


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke
    On Wings of Song by Thomas M. Disch
    Titan by John Varley
    Jem by Frederik Pohl
    Juniper Time by Kate Wilhelm
    The Road to Corlay by Richard Cowper


    Have only read the _ The Fountains of Paradise_, _ Titan_, and _ The
    Road to Corlay_.


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    Enemy Mine by Barry B. Longyear
    Fireship by Joan D. Vinge
    The Tale of Gorgik by Samuel R. Delany
    Mars Masked by Frederik Pohl
    The Battle of the Abaco Reefs by Hilbert Schenck
    The Story Writer by Richard Wilson


    I know I have read "Enemy Mine" and "Fireship". I remember looking at
    "The Tale of Gorgik" but I can't remember if I read the whole thing.



    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Sandkings by George R. R. Martin
    Options by John Varley
    The Ways of Love by Poul Anderson
    Camps by Jack Dann
    The Angel of Death by Michael Shea
    The Pathways of Desire by Ursula K. Le Guin

    I know I have read "Sandkings" and, having checked, I see that I had
    read "The Ways of Love" as well.


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?

    giANTS by Edward Bryant
    Unaccompanied Sonata by Orson Scott Card
    The Way of Cross and Dragon by George R. R. Martin
    Red As Blood by Tanith Lee
    The Extraordinary Voyages of Amelie Bertrand by Joanna Russ
    Vernalfest Morning by Michael Bishop


    I have read "Unaccompanied Sonata" and "Red as Blood"; I don't remember reading "The Way of Cross and Dragon" (though I might have since I have
    the issue of Omni it originally appeared in).

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  • From BCFD 36@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 23 03:13:20 2024
    I hate to say this, but I don't remember most of these. I may have read
    some of them, but I have no memory of them, not even the titles.

    On 4/22/24 07:50, James Nicoll wrote:
    This week's Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read features 1980. Ronald
    Reagan began liberating the US from middle class prosperity and a lot
    of interesting SF was published.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke
    Yes

    On Wings of Song by Thomas M. Disch
    Titan by John Varley
    Jem by Frederik Pohl
    Maybe
    Juniper Time by Kate Wilhelm
    Maybe
    The Road to Corlay by Richard Cowper



    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    Enemy Mine by Barry B. Longyear
    Definitely. It was in a SFBC anthology.

    Fireship by Joan D. Vinge
    The Tale of Gorgik by Samuel R. Delany
    Mars Masked by Frederik Pohl
    The Battle of the Abaco Reefs by Hilbert Schenck
    The Story Writer by Richard Wilson

    All but the Schenck. Don't ask me detailed questions about the Delany, though.


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Sandkings by George R. R. Martin
    Options by John Varley
    The Ways of Love by Poul Anderson
    Camps by Jack Dann
    The Angel of Death by Michael Shea
    The Pathways of Desire by Ursula K. Le Guin
    No memory of any of these.



    All but the Dann (who I seem to have missed almost entirely) and
    the Shea.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?

    giANTS by Edward Bryant
    Unaccompanied Sonata by Orson Scott Card
    The Way of Cross and Dragon by George R. R. Martin
    I think so

    Red As Blood by Tanith Lee
    The Extraordinary Voyages of Amelie Bertrand by Joanna Russ
    Vernalfest Morning by Michael Bishop

    All but the Russ and the Bishop. I don't remember the Bryant
    (although I do have a collection with it in I could reread) but
    I find it hard to believe I would not have picked the Russ over
    it.

    This seems to have been a good year for The Magazine of Fantasy
    and Science Fiction.

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 23 06:57:15 2024
    James Nicoll wrote:
    This week's Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read features 1980. Ronald
    Reagan began liberating the US from middle class prosperity and a lot
    of interesting SF was published.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke
    On Wings of Song by Thomas M. Disch
    Titan by John Varley
    Jem by Frederik Pohl
    Juniper Time by Kate Wilhelm
    The Road to Corlay by Richard Cowper

    Oddly enough, not the Pohl or the Disch, authors I rarely miss. It's
    been a long time since I read either, but though I liked the Clarke, I
    think I'd have voted for Wilhelm.


    I have read all of them. I've reviewed most of them, save for the Clarke
    and the Disch. Disch also lost a Hugo to Clarke, placing fifth out of
    five finalists.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    Enemy Mine by Barry B. Longyear
    Fireship by Joan D. Vinge
    The Tale of Gorgik by Samuel R. Delany
    Mars Masked by Frederik Pohl
    The Battle of the Abaco Reefs by Hilbert Schenck
    The Story Writer by Richard Wilson

    Zero, shockingly.


    All but the Schenck. Don't ask me detailed questions about the Delany, though.


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Sandkings by George R. R. Martin
    Options by John Varley
    The Ways of Love by Poul Anderson
    Camps by Jack Dann
    The Angel of Death by Michael Shea
    The Pathways of Desire by Ursula K. Le Guin

    All but the Dann, I think, though I can't recall much of any but the
    Martin, and the Shea, which I reread a few months ago.


    All but the Dann (who I seem to have missed almost entirely) and
    the Shea.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?

    giANTS by Edward Bryant
    Unaccompanied Sonata by Orson Scott Card
    The Way of Cross and Dragon by George R. R. Martin
    Red As Blood by Tanith Lee
    The Extraordinary Voyages of Amelie Bertrand by Joanna Russ
    Vernalfest Morning by Michael Bishop

    Only the Card and the Martin. How did I come to miss Bryant's entire
    career?


    William Hyde


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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 23 14:32:57 2024
    On 23/04/24 04:58, Robert Woodward wrote:
    snip

    I have read "Unaccompanied Sonata" and "Red as Blood"; I don't remember reading "The Way of Cross and Dragon" (though I might have since I have
    the issue of Omni it originally appeared in).


    Sandkings was one of my favourites for a very long time but on a reread,
    I enjoyed The Way of Cross and Dragon more. I would recommend that you
    reread it.

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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Apr 24 00:24:18 2024
    In article <v06ivc$15erc$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    This week's Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read features 1980. Ronald
    Reagan began liberating the US from middle class prosperity and a lot
    of interesting SF was published.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke
    On Wings of Song by Thomas M. Disch
    Titan by John Varley
    Jem by Frederik Pohl
    Juniper Time by Kate Wilhelm
    The Road to Corlay by Richard Cowper

    Oddly enough, not the Pohl or the Disch, authors I rarely miss. It's
    been a long time since I read either, but though I liked the Clarke, I
    think I'd have voted for Wilhelm.

    Jem is extremely 1970s. The Disch I think is set in a new depression
    era US, about a kid trying to make it in the arts.


    I have read all of them. I've reviewed most of them, save for the Clarke
    and the Disch. Disch also lost a Hugo to Clarke, placing fifth out of
    five finalists.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    Enemy Mine by Barry B. Longyear
    Fireship by Joan D. Vinge
    The Tale of Gorgik by Samuel R. Delany
    Mars Masked by Frederik Pohl
    The Battle of the Abaco Reefs by Hilbert Schenck
    The Story Writer by Richard Wilson

    Zero, shockingly.


    All but the Schenck. Don't ask me detailed questions about the Delany,
    though.


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Sandkings by George R. R. Martin
    Options by John Varley
    The Ways of Love by Poul Anderson
    Camps by Jack Dann
    The Angel of Death by Michael Shea
    The Pathways of Desire by Ursula K. Le Guin

    All but the Dann, I think, though I can't recall much of any but the
    Martin, and the Shea, which I reread a few months ago.

    I should review Nif the Lean at some point.

    All but the Dann (who I seem to have missed almost entirely) and
    the Shea.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?

    giANTS by Edward Bryant
    Unaccompanied Sonata by Orson Scott Card
    The Way of Cross and Dragon by George R. R. Martin
    Red As Blood by Tanith Lee
    The Extraordinary Voyages of Amelie Bertrand by Joanna Russ
    Vernalfest Morning by Michael Bishop

    Only the Card and the Martin. How did I come to miss Bryant's entire >career?

    Because he was mostly a short fiction author? The exception being
    the novelization of Phoenix Without Ashes.

    Bryant was one of HE's most faithful supporters during the Last
    Dangerous Visions debacle. I wonder if the story HE sat on for
    fucking decades actually got into the book of that title to be
    published in the fall?



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  • From Chris Buckley@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Apr 24 10:31:35 2024
    On 2024-04-22, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    This week's Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read features 1980. Ronald Reagan began liberating the US from middle class prosperity and a lot
    of interesting SF was published.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke
    On Wings of Song by Thomas M. Disch
    Titan by John Varley
    Jem by Frederik Pohl
    Juniper Time by Kate Wilhelm
    The Road to Corlay by Richard Cowper

    I have read all of them. I've reviewed most of them, save for the Clarke
    and the Disch. Disch also lost a Hugo to Clarke, placing fifth out of
    five finalists.

    Read all. No Favorites at all, though most were at least good (I
    didn't like _Jem_)

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    Enemy Mine by Barry B. Longyear
    Fireship by Joan D. Vinge
    The Tale of Gorgik by Samuel R. Delany
    Mars Masked by Frederik Pohl
    The Battle of the Abaco Reefs by Hilbert Schenck
    The Story Writer by Richard Wilson

    All but the Schenck. Don't ask me detailed questions about the Delany, though.

    Just the Longyear.


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Sandkings by George R. R. Martin
    Options by John Varley
    The Ways of Love by Poul Anderson
    Camps by Jack Dann
    The Angel of Death by Michael Shea
    The Pathways of Desire by Ursula K. Le Guin

    All but the Dann (who I seem to have missed almost entirely) and
    the Shea.

    The Martin, Varley, and LeGuin


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?

    giANTS by Edward Bryant
    Unaccompanied Sonata by Orson Scott Card
    The Way of Cross and Dragon by George R. R. Martin
    Red As Blood by Tanith Lee
    The Extraordinary Voyages of Amelie Bertrand by Joanna Russ
    Vernalfest Morning by Michael Bishop

    All but the Russ and the Bishop. I don't remember the Bryant
    (although I do have a collection with it in I could reread) but
    I find it hard to believe I would not have picked the Russ over
    it.

    The Martin and Card.

    Most of the shorter works that I've read from now on (and for the
    previous couple of years) will be only works of authors I like and
    would buy collections of their work. I bought very few general anthologies.

    Chris

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Apr 25 06:41:34 2024
    James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v06ivc$15erc$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:


    All but the Dann, I think, though I can't recall much of any but the
    Martin, and the Shea, which I reread a few months ago.

    I should review Nif the Lean at some point.


    I just bought two volumes of Shea's short stories. I really feel that
    he wrote too little, but in fact his output is not that small:

    A quest for Simbalis
    The colour out of space
    In Yana, the cult of undying
    Nifft the lean
    The Mines of Behemoth
    The A'arak.

    Plus various short novels I have not read.

    And five volumes of short stories, though there seems to be
    some overlap.


    But I wanted more.

    How did I come to miss Bryant's entire
    career?

    Because he was mostly a short fiction author? The exception being
    the novelization of Phoenix Without Ashes.

    I suppose so. There was a time when for some now obscure to me reason I stopped reading short fiction. The thought that I stopped reading
    Avram Davidson't short stories feels like something I should be blaming
    on a long term coma or serious drug habit. But I just ... didn't.

    William Hyde




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  • From Tony Nance@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Apr 26 06:52:43 2024
    On 4/23/24 10:24 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v06ivc$15erc$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    This week's Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read features 1980. Ronald
    Reagan began liberating the US from middle class prosperity and a lot
    of interesting SF was published.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke
    On Wings of Song by Thomas M. Disch
    Titan by John Varley
    Jem by Frederik Pohl
    Juniper Time by Kate Wilhelm
    The Road to Corlay by Richard Cowper

    Oddly enough, not the Pohl or the Disch, authors I rarely miss. It's
    been a long time since I read either, but though I liked the Clarke, I
    think I'd have voted for Wilhelm.

    Jem is extremely 1970s. The Disch I think is set in a new depression
    era US, about a kid trying to make it in the arts.


    I have read all of them. I've reviewed most of them, save for the Clarke >>> and the Disch. Disch also lost a Hugo to Clarke, placing fifth out of
    five finalists.

    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    Enemy Mine by Barry B. Longyear
    Fireship by Joan D. Vinge
    The Tale of Gorgik by Samuel R. Delany
    Mars Masked by Frederik Pohl
    The Battle of the Abaco Reefs by Hilbert Schenck
    The Story Writer by Richard Wilson

    Zero, shockingly.


    All but the Schenck. Don't ask me detailed questions about the Delany,
    though.


    Which 1980 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Sandkings by George R. R. Martin
    Options by John Varley
    The Ways of Love by Poul Anderson
    Camps by Jack Dann
    The Angel of Death by Michael Shea
    The Pathways of Desire by Ursula K. Le Guin

    All but the Dann, I think, though I can't recall much of any but the
    Martin, and the Shea, which I reread a few months ago.

    I should review Nif the Lean at some point.

    If you don't have it already (which seems unlikely) The Incompleat Nifft
    has both Nifft the Lean and The Mines of Behemoth. I really enjoyed both stories, and I'll certainly pick up The A'rak one of these days.

    Tony




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