• Re: Awfully quiet in here...

    From Chris Buckley@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 02:14:40 2024
    On 2024-11-10, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
    users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody else's problem. >>>>
    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)

    Very true, though I'm not sure inconsistency is the right word. I found
    him quite consistent with himself, just very non-categorizable. He
    certainly would poke fun at anyone he found foolish. I miss him.

    Chris

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 03:26:08 2024
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:41:43 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 09:56:24 -0800, Robert Woodward
    <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    =20
    In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the >>>>>> Lesser Seattle movement of the past.

    Remember, it always rains in Seattle.

    Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.

    Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.


    More a danger for a Westercon, but still possible.

    Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
    day.


    Thankfully, the Worldcon won't be in December, January, or February.
    =20
    What part of "it always rains in Seattle" don't you understand?
    =20
    But I agree that that only instance of freezing rain that I
    experienced was on a 12/23.
    =20
    Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or =
    two.

    I've been to Seattle twice, both times it was beautifully sunny.

    The second time was while I was taking training at Microsoft, in
    Redmond. At the start of the course, everyone was asked to stand
    up and introduce themselves. I did, and added 'Clearly, I've been
    lied to about the climate here. Everytime I've been here the weather
    has be great."

    There was silence, then someone yelled "Don't let that man leave!".

    The Voice of Lesser Seattle.

    One similarly beautiful day, as I was walking over the ridge to the
    West to the U District, for about 50 steps I was deluged with rain.
    And I mean /rain/, not just a sprinkle. Clear before, clear after.

    It really /does/ rain all the time in Seattle.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 03:33:42 2024
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:55:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 12:03 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 09:54:47 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    =20
    On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    D=A0 <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    Idaho.

    Or Montana.

    Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking =
    about in
    terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about = Wyoming,
    South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also = recommended
    the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that >>>>>> was one
    recommendation as well.

    Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different =
    locations
    with
    very different cultures in the same state and while you might like =
    the
    far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole =
    (because
    neither side does).

    Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different
    cultures depending on the area you are in.

    You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing.=A0 =
    It is
    almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel =
    like
    you are nowhere.=A0 I find that pleasant for a while, but not = long-term.

    Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
    middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is=
    not
    going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all =
    that
    stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3
    hours by car from some kind of bigger city. =3D(

    You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have=
    an
    intense interest in personal independence.=A0 Unfortunately it is =
    also
    filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they =
    could
    just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they =
    brought
    their problems with them to Alaska.

    Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that =
    could
    work! ;)

    Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that
    interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income
    scheme

    The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks
    to every resident each year. The amount varies by year,
    $1200 - $3000 being typical.
    =20
    Actually, it's more of a "everybody gets a share of the profits from
    our oil" program.
    =20
    And its taxable federally. Even the checks sent to the kids.

    How does that work? The minimum income for Federal taxes is
    $13,850. The checks don't come anywhere near that. Is it that
    they family has to file jointly?

    My experience was 20 years ago when I worked for the IRS. So the
    answers then may not apply now. I might recommend consulting Pub 17,
    which should contain at least a summary and a referral to something
    more detailed if not the full details themselves.

    Also, I worked very few cases, so any comments I make might, in
    theory, identify one or the other, which would be a violation of
    =46ederal law (release of confidential tax information).

    The whole point of UBI is that the UBI itself is not taxed. Only
    additional income is taxed.
    =20
    Whether this is actually a good idea is a good question. But in 200
    years, when most jobs are done by machines and positions filled by
    humans are filled either by lottery (the losers -- rather, draftees --
    serve) or the courts ("I sentence you to be City Manager for three
    years") because nobody wants to work since most people can not for
    lack of job availability.
    =20
    But as long as we have more jobs than people to employ, UBI is
    probably not ready for prime time.

    I"m actually fully in favor of UBI, but it seems to run
    contrary to 'D's seemingly Objectivist philosophy.

    ObSF: I first heard of the idea of a UBI in PJF's
    "Riders of the Purple Wage".
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 03:40:50 2024
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:20:07 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming =
    would
    probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
    =20
    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
    things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
    wear the hat.
    --scott
    =20
    O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming=20 >ain't "tiny".

    Not by the standards of, say, Rhode Island.

    It is quite normal for the Great Plains.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?

    Big enough that Texas could be made the third-largest State by
    dividing Alaska in two (if done evenly enough).
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 04:03:39 2024
    On 11/10/2024 8:40 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:20:07 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>> probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
    things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
    wear the hat.
    --scott

    O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
    ain't "tiny".

    Not by the standards of, say, Rhode Island.

    It is quite normal for the Great Plains.

    My apologies, for some reason I was thinking of Montana.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?

    Big enough that Texas could be made the third-largest State by
    dividing Alaska in two (if done evenly enough).


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Chris Buckley@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 04:45:33 2024
    On 2024-11-10, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/10/2024 8:40 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:20:07 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>>> probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
    things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
    wear the hat.
    --scott

    O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
    ain't "tiny".

    Not by the standards of, say, Rhode Island.

    It is quite normal for the Great Plains.

    My apologies, for some reason I was thinking of Montana.

    But still, Wyoming is the 10th largest state, a bit less than twice
    the median size. Not a tiny state (except in comparison to Alaska)!

    Chris

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 04:48:33 2024
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 11/9/2024 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 09:56:24 -0800, Robert Woodward
    <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

    In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the >>>>>> Lesser Seattle movement of the past.

    Remember, it always rains in Seattle.

    Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.

    Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.


    More a danger for a Westercon, but still possible.

    Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
    day.


    Thankfully, the Worldcon won't be in December, January, or February.

    What part of "it always rains in Seattle" don't you understand?

    But I agree that that only instance of freezing rain that I
    experienced was on a 12/23.

    Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.

    I've been to Seattle twice, both times it was beautifully sunny.

    Likewise, although I've been there more than a dozen
    times, including spending several weeks on multiple
    occasions in Langley. The weather was always nice.


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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 06:30:17 2024
    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
    users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody else's problem. >>>>
    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
    level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.ÿ :-)

    ÿÿÿÿCheers,
    ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Garyÿÿÿ B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 06:33:05 2024
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
    middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not >going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that >stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours
    by car from some kind of bigger city. =(

    You will not find European-grade opera in many places in the US. (I will
    say surprisingly good things about here in Williamsburg, VA). Hmm... but
    if you're looking for isolationist politics, quiet rural areas, and
    proximity to a good opera company you could consider New Mexico. Also
    very dry, but you can wear a cowboy hat and carry a pistol and still go
    to the Santa Fe Opera which is really pretty amazingly good.

    Maybe Central City Colorado too? Colorado is another oddly divided state.

    You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an
    intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
    filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could
    just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought
    their problems with them to Alaska.

    Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could >work! ;)

    You could do worse. But they aren't the Met or the KO, let alone La Scala. --scott

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 06:34:39 2024
    On 11/11/24 04:14, Chris Buckley wrote:
    On 2024-11-10, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody else's problem. >>>>>
    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini level. >>
    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)

    Very true, though I'm not sure inconsistency is the right word. I found
    him quite consistent with himself, just very non-categorizable. He
    certainly would poke fun at anyone he found foolish. I miss him.

    Chris

    He would have had a field day with D.
    I think that Terry's problem was that, perhaps from boredom, he would
    sometimes seek a serious argument with and abuse posters whose views
    were the same as his just to annoy and demonstrate who was the top dog.
    He was intelligent, knowledgeable, insightful but aggressively nasty and spiteful. I miss him too.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 06:37:47 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
    things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
    wear the hat.

    O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming >ain't "tiny".

    Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?

    Ginormous.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 06:46:17 2024
    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
    users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody else's problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Nope... the correct interpretation is that as long as I have to endure government and having my money stolen in the form of taxes, I prefer
    that it does something that aligns with my interests. Shipping drug
    users somewhere
    else would align with my interests, so there you are correct.

    So violence to other people doesn't bother you, as long as it is in your interests.

    Clearly, if there were no government, you and like-minded people would
    hire some thugs to beat up the indigent and send them to other areas.

    Because it aligns with your interests.

    Like-minded people in those areas would also hire thugs to beast up the indigent and send them to your area. Eventually the thugs would realize
    that it would be less work just to beat you up and take your money. And
    you'd have a government again.

    William Hyde



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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 07:06:22 2024
    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>> probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
    yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
    holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly
    is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life
    in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
    thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if
    he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk, ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
    autumn leaves.


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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 08:26:00 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Titus G wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county.  Somebody else's problem. >>>>>
    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
    level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.  :-)

        Cheers,
            Gary    B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.


    That would be impossible. I always win and I am always right. That's just
    a scientific fact.
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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 08:27:51 2024


    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
    middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not
    going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that
    stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours
    by car from some kind of bigger city. =(

    You will not find European-grade opera in many places in the US. (I will
    say surprisingly good things about here in Williamsburg, VA). Hmm... but
    if you're looking for isolationist politics, quiet rural areas, and
    proximity to a good opera company you could consider New Mexico. Also
    very dry, but you can wear a cowboy hat and carry a pistol and still go
    to the Santa Fe Opera which is really pretty amazingly good.

    Maybe Central City Colorado too? Colorado is another oddly divided state.

    We'll see... I couldn't care less. The wife will judge the quality.

    You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an
    intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
    filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could
    just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought
    their problems with them to Alaska.

    Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could
    work! ;)

    You could do worse. But they aren't the Met or the KO, let alone La Scala.

    Sigh... at some point in the future I will be forced by the wife to go to
    La Scala. I wish she would not like travelling so much. =(

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 08:28:29 2024
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    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Titus G wrote:

    On 11/11/24 04:14, Chris Buckley wrote:
    On 2024-11-10, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county.  Somebody else's problem. >>>>>>
    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>> problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony. >>>
    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)

    Very true, though I'm not sure inconsistency is the right word. I found
    him quite consistent with himself, just very non-categorizable. He
    certainly would poke fun at anyone he found foolish. I miss him.

    Chris

    He would have had a field day with D.

    Nope. He would probably die before having typed three letters. Possibly
    four, based on the research I have done.

    I think that Terry's problem was that, perhaps from boredom, he would sometimes seek a serious argument with and abuse posters whose views
    were the same as his just to annoy and demonstrate who was the top dog.
    He was intelligent, knowledgeable, insightful but aggressively nasty and spiteful. I miss him too.

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 08:32:22 2024
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    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug users >>>>>> on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county.  Somebody else's problem. >>>>
    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Nope... the correct interpretation is that as long as I have to endure
    government and having my money stolen in the form of taxes, I prefer that >> it does something that aligns with my interests. Shipping drug users
    somewhere
    else would align with my interests, so there you are correct.

    So violence to other people doesn't bother you, as long as it is in your interests.

    As long as I live with the threat of violence from the government, that is correct, and it is called self defense. The government initiated violence,
    so the least I can do is to have it redirected somewhere else, where it benefits me.

    Clearly, if there were no government, you and like-minded people would hire some thugs to beat up the indigent and send them to other areas.

    If there were no government, on my private property, if people invade or
    break the rules, there would be violence.

    I think you would find, given the 100s of millions slaughtered by
    governments, that the amount of violence would be way smaller in a
    private, decentralized society.

    Because it aligns with your interests.

    Yep. And socialists enslave the 49% at gunpoint, since it is within the interested of the 51%, so you, supporting government, are also supporting violence, so you are certainly not the one to give any moral lessons here.

    Like-minded people in those areas would also hire thugs to beast up the indigent and send them to your area. Eventually the thugs would realize that
    it would be less work just to beat you up and take your money. And you'd have a government again.

    Nope, decentralized private societies with insurance companies, security services, where we pay for what we need.

    Violence would, however, be very rare, since doing business, would be much more profitable.

    The criminals and violent individuals would be former socialists with no marketable skills, and they would quickly be killed or isolated.



    William Hyde



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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 09:02:34 2024


    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>> probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
    yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
    holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly is >> the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I passionately >> hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if he would take
    it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    This is the truth! Americans who reside in europe tend to be socialists. I know one, and although he is a nice guy, we are infinitely far apart on
    pretty much any political question, and as such, it is only natural that
    he (or the guy) would never want to move home.

    And on the other side of the equation, some of the best and brightest
    people I know have left sweden for low tax countries, since they felt like slaves having to fund arabians with 60+% taxes. That's in their (and mine) opinion a vile and revolting society where productive people become slaves
    to improductive people like public sector workers and arabian immigrants.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk, ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful autumn leaves.

    Leaves are dangerous! Avoid at all costs! Well, except in the forest
    perhaps.

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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 10:00:00 2024
    On 11/10/2024 2:37 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
    things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
    wear the hat.

    O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
    ain't "tiny".

    Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?

    Ginormous.

    IIRC, Alaska is larger than all of Scandinavia, plus Ukraine.

    pt

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 10:29:09 2024
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk, >ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
    autumn leaves.

    They have an acceptable opera company although they dropped the children's chorus from Carmen because it was too difficult to stage. (And it WAS sponsored by Phillip Morris but they didn't add any advertising couplets
    to the cigarette girl song.)
    --scott

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 15:29:42 2024
    On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip

    ÿÿÿÿAnd yet we have American citizens who did not know that
    Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
    the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
    queried on Election Day.

    George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will lie
    to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same old
    kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters they wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter whether
    it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like
    alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the
    tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
    whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
    published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made a
    serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they elected
    would fulfill that trust.
    (Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)

    If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
    stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
    policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos
    had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?

    ÿÿÿÿAmericans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
    one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.

    There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being ill
    informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did The
    Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
    political ends by devious means.


    ÿÿÿÿbliss


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 16:11:46 2024
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/10/24 20:29, Titus G wrote:
    On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip

    ÿÿÿÿAnd yet we have American citizens who did not know that
    Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
    the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
    queried on Election Day.

    George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will lie
    to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same old kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters they wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter whether
    it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
    whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
    published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made a
    serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they elected would fulfill that trust.
    (Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)

    If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
    stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
    policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos
    had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?

    ÿÿÿÿAmericans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
    one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.

    There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being ill informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did The
    Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
    political ends by devious means.


    ÿÿÿÿbliss

    Well the corporal I am thinking of ingratiated himself with the
    elder statesman of his nation as well as the Corporate Interests and
    the Military. It seems their are parallels, some what askew, but the
    story line is still there. Before long the elder statesman was out
    of action and the former corporal rose to lead his nation into
    infamy and war, while he pretended that the projects begun under
    a more liberal administration were his ideas.

    bliss


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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 17:10:58 2024
    In article <vgr22b$qbn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
    things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
    wear the hat.

    O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming >ain't "tiny".

    Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?

    Ginormous.

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

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    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 02:53:28 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them =
    a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.=A0 Somebody else's = problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
    problem! =3D)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it =
    is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
    level.
    =20
    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick =
    pony.
    =20
    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into =
    an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.=A0 :-)
    =20
    =A0=A0=A0=A0Cheers,
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Gary=A0=A0=A0 B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 02:58:50 2024
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 22:27:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
    middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is =
    not
    going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all =
    that
    stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 =
    hours
    by car from some kind of bigger city. =3D(

    You will not find European-grade opera in many places in the US. (I =
    will
    say surprisingly good things about here in Williamsburg, VA). Hmm... =
    but
    if you're looking for isolationist politics, quiet rural areas, and
    proximity to a good opera company you could consider New Mexico. Also
    very dry, but you can wear a cowboy hat and carry a pistol and still =
    go
    to the Santa Fe Opera which is really pretty amazingly good.

    Maybe Central City Colorado too? Colorado is another oddly divided =
    state.

    We'll see... I couldn't care less. The wife will judge the quality.

    You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have =
    an
    intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
    filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they =
    could
    just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they =
    brought
    their problems with them to Alaska.

    Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that =
    could
    work! ;)

    You could do worse. But they aren't the Met or the KO, let alone La = Scala.

    Sigh... at some point in the future I will be forced by the wife to go =
    to=20
    La Scala. I wish she would not like travelling so much. =3D(

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
    and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 03:03:14 2024
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:
    =20
    =20
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    =20
    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming =
    would
    probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
    yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
    holders.

    pt

    =20
    Hooray! =3DD Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It = truly=20
    is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I=20
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an=20 >exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life=20
    in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I=20 >thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if=20
    he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots=
    =20
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk,=20 >ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful=20 >autumn leaves.

    Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
    mind.

    Well, until they get sued, anyway.

    (The local university once install a road bump that injured five
    people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
    judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
    with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
    lawsuit payout to change minds.)
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 03:05:04 2024
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 09:03:39 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/10/2024 8:40 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:20:07 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    =20
    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming =
    would
    probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk =
    around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do =
    these
    things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
    wear the hat.
    --scott

    O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. =
    Wyoming
    ain't "tiny".
    =20
    Not by the standards of, say, Rhode Island.
    =20
    It is quite normal for the Great Plains.
    =20
    My apologies, for some reason I was thinking of Montana.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?
    =20
    Big enough that Texas could be made the third-largest State by
    dividing Alaska in two (if done evenly enough).

    On the maps I have seen, Montana is larger than Wyoming.

    Maybe one of the Dakotas would be small enough ...
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 03:06:45 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody else's problem. >>>>>>
    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>> problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
    level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony. >>>
    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.ÿ :-)

    ÿÿÿÿCheers,
    ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Garyÿÿÿ B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.


    Touch‚! You never know!
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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 03:10:32 2024


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 22:27:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
    middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not >>>> going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that >>>> stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours >>>> by car from some kind of bigger city. =(

    You will not find European-grade opera in many places in the US. (I will >>> say surprisingly good things about here in Williamsburg, VA). Hmm... but >>> if you're looking for isolationist politics, quiet rural areas, and
    proximity to a good opera company you could consider New Mexico. Also
    very dry, but you can wear a cowboy hat and carry a pistol and still go
    to the Santa Fe Opera which is really pretty amazingly good.

    Maybe Central City Colorado too? Colorado is another oddly divided state. >>
    We'll see... I couldn't care less. The wife will judge the quality.

    You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an >>>>> intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also >>>>> filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could >>>>> just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought >>>>> their problems with them to Alaska.

    Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could >>>> work! ;)

    You could do worse. But they aren't the Met or the KO, let alone La Scala. >>
    Sigh... at some point in the future I will be forced by the wife to go to
    La Scala. I wish she would not like travelling so much. =(

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is the truth!

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
    and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.

    Maybe. I never had any problems any where on the planet so far, but I
    think a good idea would be to rent first, while observing if any KKK men
    come for me, or if, they in fact invite me to join them. ;)

    But since I would be wearing a cowboy hat, have a gun visible on my
    person, I've been told that they might think I'm from texas, and thus I
    could possibly hide in plain sight!

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 03:14:16 2024
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:11:46 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    On 11/10/24 20:29, Titus G wrote:
    On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip
    =20
    =A0=A0=A0=A0And yet we have American citizens who did not know that
    Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
    the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
    queried on Election Day.
    =20
    George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will =
    lie
    to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same old
    kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters =
    they
    wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter =
    whether
    it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like
    alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the
    tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
    whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
    published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party
    Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made a
    serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they =
    elected
    would fulfill that trust.
    (Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)
    =20
    If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
    stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
    policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party =
    Manifestos
    had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?
    =20
    =A0=A0=A0=A0Americans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
    one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.
    =20
    There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being ill
    informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did The
    Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
    political ends by devious means.
    =20

    =A0=A0=A0=A0bliss

    Well the corporal I am thinking of ingratiated himself with the
    elder statesman of his nation as well as the Corporate Interests and
    the Military. It seems their are parallels, some what askew, but the
    story line is still there. Before long the elder statesman was out
    of action and the former corporal rose to lead his nation into
    infamy and war, while he pretended that the projects begun under
    a more liberal administration were his ideas.

    I believe he also had the Brownshirts [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
    and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.

    So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
    group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
    Trump's will.

    IOW, no "oomph" in the streets. As the failure on Jan 6 showed. 1000+ protestors tried/convicted/plead out, only -- what? 6? -- militia
    members.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 04:49:41 2024
    On 11/10/2024 10:10 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <vgr22b$qbn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
    things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
    wear the hat.

    O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
    ain't "tiny".

    Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?

    Ginormous.

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier. :P

    --
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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 06:42:08 2024
    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>>> probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
    yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
    holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly
    is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an
    exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life
    in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
    thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if
    he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk,
    ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
    autumn leaves.

    Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
    mind.

    Well, until they get sued, anyway.

    Halifax was the exact opposite. They fixed sidewalks which were
    perfectly fine. The reason being that the city is mildly corrupt, and
    people wanted those contracts. Still, they were a pleasure to walk on.

    For contrast, sidewalks on the Dalhousie campus in Halifax were a
    positive danger, but never fixed as the University always had something different to spend its limited cash on. Like office redecoration for administrators.

    An elderly retired professor died from a fall owing to broken sidewalks
    at A&M. The site was taped off, but not repaired in the two years
    before I left Texas.

    Some years ago there was a competition in Toronto to find the oldest bit
    of sidewalk. The winning pavement was dated 1918 and was in perfect
    shape. It was, however, under a bridge and thus somewhat sheltered.


    (The local university once install a road bump that injured five
    people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
    judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
    with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
    lawsuit payout to change minds.)

    In Texas the payout would have been limited to 500k.

    I wasn't hurt enough to consider suing Durham. Besides, if one demands
    low taxes one gets low service, and I can't sue the voters, can I?

    Caveat Pedestrem.

    (Someone correct my Latin, I'm sure that's wrong).


    William Hyde



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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 06:45:23 2024
    Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/10/2024 10:10 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <vgr22b$qbn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    ÿ kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Dimensional Travelerÿ <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these >>>>> things.ÿ Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to >>>>> wear the hat.

    O_oÿ I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once.ÿ Wyoming >>>> ain't "tiny".

    Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?

    Ginormous.

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier.ÿ :P

    That's debatable.

    I'd probably pick Alaska, but some people like beaches, oceans, warmth,
    and that sort of thing.

    William Hyde

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 07:49:35 2024


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>>> probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
    yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
    holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly
    is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an
    exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life
    in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
    thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if
    he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk,
    ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
    autumn leaves.

    Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
    mind.

    Well, until they get sued, anyway.

    (The local university once install a road bump that injured five
    people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
    judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
    with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
    lawsuit payout to change minds.)


    Ahhh the US... what a dream, where lawsuits actually result in meaningful fines! =D You surely live in the land of the free Paul! =)

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 09:34:35 2024
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/11/24 08:14, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:11:46 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    On 11/10/24 20:29, Titus G wrote:
    On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip

    ÿÿÿÿAnd yet we have American citizens who did not know that
    Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
    the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
    queried on Election Day.

    George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will lie >>> to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same old
    kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters they >>> wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter whether
    it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like
    alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the
    tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
    whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
    published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party
    Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made a
    serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they elected >>> would fulfill that trust.
    (Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)

    If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
    stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
    policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos
    had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?

    ÿÿÿÿAmericans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
    one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.

    There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being ill
    informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did The
    Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
    political ends by devious means.


    ÿÿÿÿbliss

    Well the corporal I am thinking of ingratiated himself with the
    elder statesman of his nation as well as the Corporate Interests and
    the Military. It seems their are parallels, some what askew, but the
    story line is still there. Before long the elder statesman was out
    of action and the former corporal rose to lead his nation into
    infamy and war, while he pretended that the projects begun under
    a more liberal administration were his ideas.

    I believe he also had the Brownshirts [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
    and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.

    So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
    group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
    Trump's will.

    IOW, no "oomph" in the streets. As the failure on Jan 6 showed. 1000+ protestors tried/convicted/plead out, only -- what? 6? -- militia
    members.

    One of the promises (yes he is poor at keeping promises)
    made by the ineligible candidate was to pardon everyone involved
    with January 6. As for the Republican thugs sorry they are MAGA
    thugs and must include the Proud Boys and other brands of politial thuggery.

    bliss


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 09:57:32 2024
    On 11/11/2024 11:45 AM, William Hyde wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/10/2024 10:10 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <vgr22b$qbn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    ÿ kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Dimensional Travelerÿ <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these >>>>>> things.ÿ Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to >>>>>> wear the hat.

    O_oÿ I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once.
    Wyoming
    ain't "tiny".

    Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.

    And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?

    Ginormous.

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier.ÿ :P

    That's debatable.

    I'd probably pick Alaska, but some people like beaches, oceans, warmth,
    and that sort of thing.

    Alaska doesn't have an animal population that's 90% poisonous and
    actively trying to kill you. :P

    (And no, the bears are not enough to counter that.)

    --
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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 11:35:58 2024
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay community. --scott

    --
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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 11:38:29 2024
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    I believe he also had the Brownshirts >[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
    and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.

    So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
    group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
    Trump's will.

    Trump attempted in 2020 in Oregon to use Federal police to shut down demonstrations and he mostly got away with it.

    I think that use was actually constitutional although the courts never
    got a chance to rule on it. I don't think it -should- be constitutional however.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 11:44:46 2024
    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody else's problem. >>>>>>
    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>> problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
    level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony. >>>
    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.ÿ :-)

    ÿÿÿÿCheers,
    ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Garyÿÿÿ B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.

    D is not curt and nasty.

    Lynn


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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 11:48:51 2024
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 09:14:42 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Amtrak and Greyhound (or other such buses) ... would probably
    encounter the lahar. Roads and tracks take time to replace. Bridges
    take even longer.

    And the memory of Dunkirk will be replaced with the memory of Seattle....

    Somehow I think Seattle is most unlikely to have either a tsunami or
    invasion - it's rather difficult given one would first have to get
    through the Juan de Fuca straights. Vancouver's in the same position
    though going eastwards one turns south to get to Seattle, north to
    Vancouver.

    Mounts Baker and Rainier are both considered active volcanos since
    they've detonated in the past 10000 years (just)

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 12:09:02 2024
    On 11/11/2024 1:42 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming >>>>>>> would
    probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession, >>>>> yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
    holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly >>>> is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an
    exceptionally good talk.ÿ At dinner the conversation turned to his life
    in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
    thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if
    he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife.ÿ And it has lots >>> of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk,
    ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
    autumn leaves.

    Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
    mind.

    Well, until they get sued, anyway.

    Halifax was the exact opposite.ÿ They fixed sidewalks which were
    perfectly fine.ÿ The reason being that the city is mildly corrupt, and people wanted those contracts. Still, they were a pleasure to walk on.

    For contrast, sidewalks on the Dalhousie campus in Halifax were a
    positive danger, but never fixed as the University always had something different to spend its limited cash on.ÿ Like office redecoration for administrators.

    An elderly retired professor died from a fall owing to broken sidewalks
    at A&M.ÿ The site was taped off, but not repaired in the two years
    before I left Texas.

    Some years ago there was a competition in Toronto to find the oldest bit
    of sidewalk.ÿ The winning pavement was dated 1918 and was in perfect
    shape.ÿ It was, however, under a bridge and thus somewhat sheltered.


    (The local university once install a road bump that injured five
    people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
    judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
    with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
    lawsuit payout to change minds.)

    In Texas the payout would have been limited to 500k.

    I wasn't hurt enough to consider suing Durham.ÿ Besides, if one demands
    low taxes one gets low service, and I can't sue the voters, can I?

    Caveat Pedestrem.

    (Someone correct my Latin, I'm sure that's wrong).


    William Hyde

    Texas damage lawsuits are limited to $500K plus actual economic damages.
    I am not sure how the economic damage of a death would be calculated
    but it could be in the millions for taking care of dependents.

    Lynn


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 12:14:08 2024
    On 11/11/2024 6:38 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    I believe he also had the Brownshirts
    [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
    and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.

    So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
    group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
    Trump's will.

    Trump attempted in 2020 in Oregon to use Federal police to shut down demonstrations and he mostly got away with it.

    I think that use was actually constitutional although the courts never
    got a chance to rule on it. I don't think it -should- be constitutional however.
    --scott

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

    Lynn


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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 14:56:32 2024
    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    snip

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an >>>> apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.ÿ :-)

    ÿÿÿÿÿCheers,
    ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Garyÿÿÿ B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jibini.

    Because it is not a possibility even in the most bizarre Speculative
    Fantasy ever written. Jibini was intelligent, knowledgeable and often insightful. Enough said.

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 15:46:36 2024
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/11/2024 1:42 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming >>>>>>>> would
    probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession, >>>>>> yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
    holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It
    truly
    is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist. >>>>
    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an
    exceptionally good talk.ÿ At dinner the conversation turned to his life >>>> in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
    thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if >>>> he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife.ÿ And it has
    lots
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk, >>>> ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
    autumn leaves.

    Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
    mind.

    Well, until they get sued, anyway.

    Halifax was the exact opposite.ÿ They fixed sidewalks which were
    perfectly fine.ÿ The reason being that the city is mildly corrupt, and
    people wanted those contracts. Still, they were a pleasure to walk on.

    For contrast, sidewalks on the Dalhousie campus in Halifax were a
    positive danger, but never fixed as the University always had
    something different to spend its limited cash on.ÿ Like office
    redecoration for administrators.

    An elderly retired professor died from a fall owing to broken
    sidewalks at A&M.ÿ The site was taped off, but not repaired in the two
    years before I left Texas.

    Some years ago there was a competition in Toronto to find the oldest
    bit of sidewalk.ÿ The winning pavement was dated 1918 and was in
    perfect shape.ÿ It was, however, under a bridge and thus somewhat
    sheltered.


    (The local university once install a road bump that injured five
    people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
    judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
    with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
    lawsuit payout to change minds.)

    In Texas the payout would have been limited to 500k.

    I wasn't hurt enough to consider suing Durham.ÿ Besides, if one
    demands low taxes one gets low service, and I can't sue the voters,
    can I?

    Caveat Pedestrem.

    (Someone correct my Latin, I'm sure that's wrong).


    William Hyde

    Texas damage lawsuits are limited to $500K plus actual economic damages.
    ÿI am not sure how the economic damage of a death would be calculated
    but it could be in the millions for taking care of dependents.

    In the case of the man whose head was run over by an A&M vehicle, 500k
    was the limit. It made quite a stir on campus at the time.

    I'm happy to hear that things have improved, to some degree.

    William Hyde


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 16:01:48 2024
    On 11/11/2024 10:46 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/11/2024 1:42 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing,
    Wyoming would
    probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk >>>>>>>> around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms
    possession,
    yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card >>>>>>> holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It >>>>>> truly
    is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior
    scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an
    exceptionally good talk.ÿ At dinner the conversation turned to his
    life
    in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
    thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and
    asked if
    he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife.ÿ And it has >>>>> lots
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October
    walk,
    ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful >>>>> autumn leaves.

    Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
    mind.

    Well, until they get sued, anyway.

    Halifax was the exact opposite.ÿ They fixed sidewalks which were
    perfectly fine.ÿ The reason being that the city is mildly corrupt,
    and people wanted those contracts. Still, they were a pleasure to
    walk on.

    For contrast, sidewalks on the Dalhousie campus in Halifax were a
    positive danger, but never fixed as the University always had
    something different to spend its limited cash on.ÿ Like office
    redecoration for administrators.

    An elderly retired professor died from a fall owing to broken
    sidewalks at A&M.ÿ The site was taped off, but not repaired in the
    two years before I left Texas.

    Some years ago there was a competition in Toronto to find the oldest
    bit of sidewalk.ÿ The winning pavement was dated 1918 and was in
    perfect shape.ÿ It was, however, under a bridge and thus somewhat
    sheltered.


    (The local university once install a road bump that injured five
    people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
    judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
    with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
    lawsuit payout to change minds.)

    In Texas the payout would have been limited to 500k.

    I wasn't hurt enough to consider suing Durham.ÿ Besides, if one
    demands low taxes one gets low service, and I can't sue the voters,
    can I?

    Caveat Pedestrem.

    (Someone correct my Latin, I'm sure that's wrong).


    William Hyde

    Texas damage lawsuits are limited to $500K plus actual economic
    damages. ÿÿI am not sure how the economic damage of a death would be
    calculated but it could be in the millions for taking care of dependents.

    In the case of the man whose head was run over by an A&M vehicle, 500k
    wasÿ the limit.ÿ It made quite a stir on campus at the time.

    I'm happy to hear that things have improved, to some degree.

    William Hyde

    His lawyer was terrible.

    Lynn


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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 21:02:35 2024


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay community. --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
    protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from the
    US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 21:03:43 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    --8323328-2008879836-1731405825=:7362
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT



    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>> vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county.  Somebody else's >>>>>>>> problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>>> problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini >>>>> level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony. >>>>
    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an >>>> apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.  :-)

        Cheers,
            Gary    B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.

    D is not curt and nasty.

    Lynn

    Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a bit
    hot, but I do my best! =)
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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 03:30:16 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 16:40:55 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 20:34:20 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.

    Which most recently was when 8000 years ago?

    (Or would that be Mt Baker north of Seattle toward the Canadian
    border? Both are volcanos that haven't erupted any time recently - I'm
    afraid I've lost my via of Mt St Helen's ash which I was given by a
    former student whose father had a cottage about 30 mi away from there
    and saved the volcanic dust he had his eaves filled with)

    The longer it's been, the more pressure accumulates, and the more
    likely it becomes.

    This applies to earthquakes as well as volcanos. There is one
    difference: a volcano can move off the "hot spot" and go dormant
    indeed, but those pesky plates just keep on slippin' and slidin'.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 03:32:02 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:44:46 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    =20
    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many =
    drug
    users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>> vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave =
    them a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.=A0 Somebody else's = problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving =
    the
    problem! =3D)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it=
    is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the =
    Jibini
    level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick = pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into=
    an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.=A0 :-)

    =A0=A0=A0=A0Cheers,
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Gary=A0=A0=A0 B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
    =20
    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.

    D is not curt and nasty.

    Which would be a good point except, of course, that both online
    personas could be an act and neither of them real.
    =20
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 03:41:57 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:09:02 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 1:42 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming=
    =20
    would
    probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk =
    around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms =
    possession,
    yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
    holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =3DD Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It=
    truly
    is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior =
    scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an
    exceptionally good talk.=A0 At dinner the conversation turned to his=
    life
    in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
    thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked=
    if
    he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife.=A0 And it =
    has lots
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October =
    walk,
    ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
    autumn leaves.

    Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
    mind.

    Well, until they get sued, anyway.
    =20
    Halifax was the exact opposite.=A0 They fixed sidewalks which were=20
    perfectly fine.=A0 The reason being that the city is mildly corrupt, = and=20
    people wanted those contracts. Still, they were a pleasure to walk on.
    =20
    For contrast, sidewalks on the Dalhousie campus in Halifax were a=20
    positive danger, but never fixed as the University always had =
    something=20
    different to spend its limited cash on.=A0 Like office redecoration =
    for=20
    administrators.
    =20
    An elderly retired professor died from a fall owing to broken =
    sidewalks=20
    at A&M.=A0 The site was taped off, but not repaired in the two years=20
    before I left Texas.
    =20
    Some years ago there was a competition in Toronto to find the oldest = bit=20
    of sidewalk.=A0 The winning pavement was dated 1918 and was in perfect=
    =20
    shape.=A0 It was, however, under a bridge and thus somewhat sheltered.
    =20

    (The local university once install a road bump that injured five
    people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
    judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
    with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
    lawsuit payout to change minds.)
    =20
    In Texas the payout would have been limited to 500k.
    =20
    I wasn't hurt enough to consider suing Durham.=A0 Besides, if one = demands=20
    low taxes one gets low service, and I can't sue the voters, can I?
    =20
    Caveat Pedestrem.
    =20
    (Someone correct my Latin, I'm sure that's wrong).
    =20
    =20
    William Hyde

    Texas damage lawsuits are limited to $500K plus actual economic damages.=
    =20
    I am not sure how the economic damage of a death would be calculated=20
    but it could be in the millions for taking care of dependents.

    =46uture earnings, usually.

    =46or disability, future earnings (since the victim can't work) plus
    the cost of care.

    Of course, since I am not in Texas, I am using the criteria I have run
    into in local news stories. In Texas the answers may be different.

    Also, Federal courts vs State courts may matter.

    Incidentally, the $16M was for the 40% share of liability that the
    University was allocated. The victim was allocated 60% of the
    liability. (He was riding a bicycle and /knew/ the bump was dangerous;
    it was his avoidance effort that produced the injury. Apparently the
    jury felt that riding a street with a speed bump that he /knew/ to be
    dangerous involved acquiring a certain amount of responsibility for
    the result.)

    Nonetheless, the bump got replaced with something less likely to cost
    $16M!
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 03:48:41 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 14:34:35 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    On 11/11/24 08:14, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:11:46 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
    =20
    On 11/10/24 20:29, Titus G wrote:
    On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip

    =A0=A0=A0=A0And yet we have American citizens who did not know =
    that
    Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
    the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
    queried on Election Day.

    George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will=
    lie
    to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same =
    old
    kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters =
    they
    wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter =
    whether
    it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like
    alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the
    tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
    whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
    published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political =
    Party
    Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made =
    a
    serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they =
    elected
    would fulfill that trust.
    (Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)

    If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
    stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
    policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party =
    Manifestos
    had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?

    =A0=A0=A0=A0Americans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
    one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.

    There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being =
    ill
    informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did =
    The
    Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
    political ends by devious means.


    =A0=A0=A0=A0bliss

    Well the corporal I am thinking of ingratiated himself with the
    elder statesman of his nation as well as the Corporate Interests and
    the Military. It seems their are parallels, some what askew, but the
    story line is still there. Before long the elder statesman was out
    of action and the former corporal rose to lead his nation into
    infamy and war, while he pretended that the projects begun under
    a more liberal administration were his ideas.
    =20
    I believe he also had the Brownshirts
    [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
    and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.
    =20
    So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
    group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
    Trump's will.
    =20
    IOW, no "oomph" in the streets. As the failure on Jan 6 showed. 1000+
    protestors tried/convicted/plead out, only -- what? 6? -- militia
    members.

    One of the promises (yes he is poor at keeping promises)
    made by the ineligible candidate was to pardon everyone involved
    with January 6. As for the Republican thugs sorry they are MAGA
    thugs and must include the Proud Boys and other brands of politial =
    thuggery.

    But not enough and not organized enough and not disciplined enough.

    What they mostly are is a small number of boasters with big mouths.

    And some of them, like the group that wanted to abduct-try-execute
    their governor are pitifully under-resourced.

    Not even close to the Brownshirts.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 03:54:50 2024
    On 12 Nov 2024 00:38:29 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    I believe he also had the Brownshirts >>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
    and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.

    So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
    group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
    Trump's will.

    Trump attempted in 2020 in Oregon to use Federal police to shut down >demonstrations and he mostly got away with it.

    You are confusing propaganda with reality.

    The night after they started their efforts, the number of demostrators
    jumped from 100 or so to 1000.=20

    They were not there to shut it down; it was shutting down all by
    itself. They were there to inflame it.

    And the courts did rule on it -- they ruled that they must have an
    identifying number on their suits and that each must have the same
    number each night and that a list of names/numbers must be maintained
    so that complaints could be filed against them as needed.

    They were, IOW, ordered by a court to act like a police force instead
    of thugs.

    The Portland police must be very tolerant. I would have expected them,
    on seeing unidentified men seizing protesters and forcing them into an unidentified vehicle, to arrest them for kidnapping and let the judge
    sort it out in the morning.

    We had something like that happen up here, but some time back,
    involving INS agents. And /they/ got arrested.

    I think that use was actually constitutional although the courts never
    got a chance to rule on it. I don't think it -should- be constitutional >however.

    Note that the courts I referred to above may not have considered the constitutionality of it -- just the anti-America nature of it.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 07:14:30 2024
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/11/2024 10:46 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/11/2024 1:42 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:

    So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing,
    Wyoming would
    probably work.

    Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk >>>>>>>>> around
    with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!

    For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms
    possession,
    yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card >>>>>>>> holders.

    pt


    Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It >>>>>>> truly
    is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
    passionately hate so much!


    Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior
    scientist.

    An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an >>>>>> exceptionally good talk.ÿ At dinner the conversation turned to his >>>>>> life
    in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.

    So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I >>>>>> thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and
    asked if
    he would take it.

    "Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.

    So opinions differ.

    Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife.ÿ And it
    has lots
    of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October >>>>>> walk,
    ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful >>>>>> autumn leaves.

    Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of >>>>> mind.

    Well, until they get sued, anyway.

    Halifax was the exact opposite.ÿ They fixed sidewalks which were
    perfectly fine.ÿ The reason being that the city is mildly corrupt,
    and people wanted those contracts. Still, they were a pleasure to
    walk on.

    For contrast, sidewalks on the Dalhousie campus in Halifax were a
    positive danger, but never fixed as the University always had
    something different to spend its limited cash on.ÿ Like office
    redecoration for administrators.

    An elderly retired professor died from a fall owing to broken
    sidewalks at A&M.ÿ The site was taped off, but not repaired in the
    two years before I left Texas.

    Some years ago there was a competition in Toronto to find the oldest
    bit of sidewalk.ÿ The winning pavement was dated 1918 and was in
    perfect shape.ÿ It was, however, under a bridge and thus somewhat
    sheltered.


    (The local university once install a road bump that injured five
    people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
    judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
    with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
    lawsuit payout to change minds.)

    In Texas the payout would have been limited to 500k.

    I wasn't hurt enough to consider suing Durham.ÿ Besides, if one
    demands low taxes one gets low service, and I can't sue the voters,
    can I?

    Caveat Pedestrem.

    (Someone correct my Latin, I'm sure that's wrong).


    William Hyde

    Texas damage lawsuits are limited to $500K plus actual economic
    damages. ÿÿI am not sure how the economic damage of a death would be
    calculated but it could be in the millions for taking care of
    dependents.

    In the case of the man whose head was run over by an A&M vehicle, 500k
    wasÿ the limit.ÿ It made quite a stir on campus at the time.

    I'm happy to hear that things have improved, to some degree.

    William Hyde

    His lawyer was terrible.

    Could be. There's plenty of those about, though the worst are reserved
    for defending death penalty cases. Or perhaps things were different in
    1996.

    William Hyde


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 07:51:50 2024
    On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>>> vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave >>>>>>>>> them a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody else's >>>>>>>>> problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>>>> problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided >>>>>>> it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini >>>>>> level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick >>>>> pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D
    into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.ÿ :-)

    ÿÿÿÿÿCheers,
    ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Garyÿÿÿ B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.

    D is not curt and nasty.

    Lynn

    Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a bit
    hot, but I do my best! =)

    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here
    back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ???
    when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    Lynn


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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 08:46:28 2024
    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Personÿ <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from
    the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 12:50:35 2024
    On 11/12/2024 8:30 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 16:40:55 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 20:34:20 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.

    Which most recently was when 8000 years ago?

    (Or would that be Mt Baker north of Seattle toward the Canadian
    border? Both are volcanos that haven't erupted any time recently - I'm
    afraid I've lost my via of Mt St Helen's ash which I was given by a
    former student whose father had a cottage about 30 mi away from there
    and saved the volcanic dust he had his eaves filled with)

    The longer it's been, the more pressure accumulates, and the more
    likely it becomes.

    This applies to earthquakes as well as volcanos. There is one
    difference: a volcano can move off the "hot spot" and go dormant
    indeed, but those pesky plates just keep on slippin' and slidin'.

    So a good strong earthquake can take care of your volcano problem.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 15:52:15 2024
    On 13/11/24 10:46, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Personÿ <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
    protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from
    the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

    Himself? Isn't it the case that the extreme homophobic is secretly
    frightened that he may be homosexual himself?

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 20:38:07 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    --8323328-487432613-1731490689=:7362
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT



    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>>>>> users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>>>> vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county.  Somebody else's >>>>>>>>>> problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>>>>> problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini >>>>>>> level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick >>>>>> pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an >>>>>> apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.  :-)

         Cheers,
             Gary    B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's >>>>> extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained >>>>> and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.

    D is not curt and nasty.

    Lynn

    Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a bit hot, >> but I do my best! =)

    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ??? when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    Lynn

    How come he was so successful given killfiles, regular expressions and all
    the power of technology we have at our hands for not having to read things
    we do not want to read?
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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 20:38:35 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay community. >>> --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
    protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from the >> US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

    Homos of course!
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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 20:41:14 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Titus G wrote:

    On 13/11/24 10:46, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
    protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from
    the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

    Himself? Isn't it the case that the extreme homophobic is secretly
    frightened that he may be homosexual himself?


    Please shut up! There are lines not to be crossed when joking, and you
    just crossed it!

    Homos are not to be joked with! They can easily slip their reproductive equipment into any nook and cranny if you let them. Always be on yoru
    guard!
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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 01:56:33 2024
    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Personÿ <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to
    best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA
    hat from the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    pt

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 02:22:13 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>> might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and >>>>> you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does >>>>> not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best >>>> protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from >>>> the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    pt


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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 03:07:25 2024
    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 17:50:35 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 8:30 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 16:40:55 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:
    =20
    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 20:34:20 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.

    Which most recently was when 8000 years ago?

    (Or would that be Mt Baker north of Seattle toward the Canadian
    border? Both are volcanos that haven't erupted any time recently - =
    I'm
    afraid I've lost my via of Mt St Helen's ash which I was given by a
    former student whose father had a cottage about 30 mi away from there
    and saved the volcanic dust he had his eaves filled with)
    =20
    The longer it's been, the more pressure accumulates, and the more
    likely it becomes.
    =20
    This applies to earthquakes as well as volcanos. There is one
    difference: a volcano can move off the "hot spot" and go dormant
    indeed, but those pesky plates just keep on slippin' and slidin'.

    So a good strong earthquake can take care of your volcano problem.

    A good strong earthquake can take care of a /lot/ of problems.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 08:02:50 2024
    On 11/13/2024 3:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many >>>>>>>>>>>> drug
    users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>>>>> vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave >>>>>>>>>>> them a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody else's >>>>>>>>>>> problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and
    solving the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided >>>>>>>>> it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the >>>>>>>> Jibini
    level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-
    trick pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D >>>>>>> into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.ÿ :-)

    ÿÿÿÿÿCheers,
    ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Garyÿÿÿ B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's >>>>>> extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained >>>>>> and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini. >>>>
    D is not curt and nasty.

    Lynn

    Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a
    bit hot, but I do my best! =)

    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here
    back in 2000 or so with his antics.ÿ I did not come back until
    2010 ??? when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    Lynn

    How come he was so successful given killfiles, regular expressions and
    all the power of technology we have at our hands for not having to read things we do not want to read?

    He flooded every posting I and several others made with his infamous
    "Bark ! Bark ! Bark !" repeated a hundred times posting. It got old in
    a hurry. If you complained, he would just nymshift and do it again.

    Lynn


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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 09:23:39 2024
    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Personÿ <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
    protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from
    the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    Everything except climate change.

    William Hyde

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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 12:51:51 2024
    On 11/13/2024 10:22 AM, D wrote:


    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Personÿ <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to >>>>>>> point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not >>>>>>> be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>>> might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out >>>>>> that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and >>>>>> you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does >>>>>> not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to
    best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA
    hat from the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/ >>>>
    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    pt


    Attack me with their penises. What do you think?

    Get therapy.

    pt

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 15:13:05 2024
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/13/24 14:23, William Hyde wrote:
    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Personÿ <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to
    best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA
    hat from the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    Get a Gender Reassigment Surgery and make sure everyone knows
    about it. Gay Penises are only interested in having anything to do
    with other penises. Without a penis you will no longer be attractive
    to Gay Men (or attracked by them.)

    It sounds like a severe thing to do but if you are immobilized
    by fear of Gay Penisesit may be your only choice.


    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    Everything except climate change.

    William Hyde

    Tongue tightly in cheek.

    bliss

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 19:36:34 2024
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    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 3:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many >>>>>>>>>>>>> drug
    users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>>>>>> vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them >>>>>>>>>>>> a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.  Somebody else's >>>>>>>>>>>> problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving >>>>>>>>>>> the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it >>>>>>>>>> is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini >>>>>>>>> level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one- trick >>>>>>>> pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
    grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into >>>>>>>> an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.  :-)

         Cheers,
             Gary    B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
    The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's >>>>>>> extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained >>>>>>> and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini. >>>>>
    D is not curt and nasty.

    Lynn

    Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a bit >>>> hot, but I do my best! =)

    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here back >>> in 2000 or so with his antics.  I did not come back until 2010 ??? when he
    had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    Lynn

    How come he was so successful given killfiles, regular expressions and all >> the power of technology we have at our hands for not having to read things >> we do not want to read?

    He flooded every posting I and several others made with his infamous "Bark ! Bark ! Bark !" repeated a hundred times posting. It got old in a hurry. If you complained, he would just nymshift and do it again.

    Lynn

    Ahh, I see. But in the end you are here and he is not, so you won! =) --8323328-837900272-1731573396=:7362--

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 19:37:32 2024
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    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay community. >>>> --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
    protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from the >>> US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    Everything except climate change.

    William Hyde

    Well not everything. Republicans are nice, and dogs are very cute too! --8323328-909218567-1731573453=:7362--

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 19:39:32 2024
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    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 10:22 AM, D wrote:


    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to >>>>>>>> point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>>>> might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out >>>>>>> that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and >>>>>>> you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does >>>>>>> not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best >>>>>> protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from >>>>>> the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    pt


    Attack me with their penises. What do you think?

    Get therapy.

    pt

    No, it is much better to avoid sexual abuse, than to go to therapy
    afterwards. That was horrible advice! =(
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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 19:40:37 2024
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    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 11/13/24 14:23, William Hyde wrote:
    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>> might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
    that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and >>>>> you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does >>>>> not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best >>>> protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from >>>> the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    Get a Gender Reassigment Surgery and make sure everyone knows
    about it. Gay Penises are only interested in having anything to do
    with other penises. Without a penis you will no longer be attractive
    to Gay Men (or attracked by them.)

    It sounds like a severe thing to do but if you are immobilized
    by fear of Gay Penisesit may be your only choice.

    This is not good advice. If we turn to realistic protection, What gun do
    you prefer and recommend for protecting against homos? Is there any
    special ammunition or will regular one do?


    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    Everything except climate change.

    William Hyde

    Tongue tightly in cheek.

    bliss

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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 15 02:41:30 2024
    On 11/14/2024 3:40 AM, D wrote:


    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 11/13/24 14:23, William Hyde wrote:
    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Personÿ <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to >>>>>>> point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not >>>>>>> be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>>> might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out >>>>>> that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and >>>>>> you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does >>>>>> not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
    community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to
    best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA
    hat from the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/

    ÿÿÿÿGet a Gender Reassigment Surgery and make sure everyone knows
    about it. Gay Penises are only interested in having anything to do
    with other penises. Without a penis you will no longer be attractive
    to Gay Men (or attracked by them.)

    ÿÿÿÿIt sounds like a severe thing to do but if you are immobilized
    by fear of Gay Penisesit may be your only choice.

    This is not good advice. If we turn to realistic protection, What gun do
    you prefer and recommend for protecting against homos? Is there any
    special ammunition or will regular one do?

    What's sauce for the goose....

    https://www.pinkpistols.org/

    pt


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 15 09:23:43 2024
    On 11/14/2024 2:36 AM, D wrote:


    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 3:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many drug
    users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug >>>>>>>>>>>>> users or
    vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, >>>>>>>>>>>>> gave them a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.ÿ Somebody >>>>>>>>>>>>> else's problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and >>>>>>>>>>>> solving the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation,
    provided it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the >>>>>>>>>> Jibini
    level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one- >>>>>>>>> trick pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a >>>>>>>>> grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D >>>>>>>>> into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.ÿ :-) >>>>>>>>>
    ÿÿÿÿÿCheers,
    ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Garyÿÿÿ B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D. >>>>>>>> The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, >>>>>>>> not D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all
    restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/
    Jabini.

    D is not curt and nasty.

    Lynn

    Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a
    bit hot, but I do my best! =)

    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here
    back in 2000 or so with his antics.ÿ I did not come back until
    2010 ??? when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    Lynn

    How come he was so successful given killfiles, regular expressions
    and all the power of technology we have at our hands for not having
    to read things we do not want to read?

    He flooded every posting I and several others made with his infamous
    "Bark ! Bark ! Bark !" repeated a hundred times posting.ÿ It got old
    in a hurry.ÿ If you complained, he would just nymshift and do it again.

    Lynn

    Ahh, I see. But in the end you are here and he is not, so you won! =)

    I found an obit a couple of years ago that might be for Terry so he
    might have passed away.

    Lynn


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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 15 16:17:09 2024
    On 13/11/24 09:51, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)
    [ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]
    ran me and several others out of here
    back in 2000 or so with his antics.ÿ I did not come back until 2010 ???
    when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
    your imaginary friends?
    I recall events differently.
    1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years was
    to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
    2. That he never calmed down.

    I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible and
    it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
    Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
    AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here and
    I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.


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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 15 18:51:15 2024
    In article <vh2en2$28j1c$1@dont-email.me>,
    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    Take him to the opera of course!
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 15 20:22:21 2024
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    On Thu, 14 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/14/2024 2:36 AM, D wrote:


    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 3:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
    On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drug
    users on the street.

    Parts of it, yes.

    I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vagrants.

    This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them a
    beating, and dumped them in the next county.  Somebody else's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.

    Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    problem! =)

    So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided >>>>>>>>>>>> it is
    illegal and hurts people you dislike.

    Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the >>>>>>>>>>> Jibini
    level.

    Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one- >>>>>>>>>> trick pony.

    Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a >>>>>>>>>> grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D >>>>>>>>>> into an
    apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points.  :-) >>>>>>>>>>
         Cheers,
             Gary    B-)

    Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D. >>>>>>>>> The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not >>>>>>>>> D's
    extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all
    restrained
    and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.

    Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ >>>>>>>> Jabini.

    D is not curt and nasty.

    Lynn

    Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a bit >>>>>> hot, but I do my best! =)

    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here >>>>> back in 2000 or so with his antics.  I did not come back until 2010 ??? >>>>> when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    Lynn

    How come he was so successful given killfiles, regular expressions and >>>> all the power of technology we have at our hands for not having to read >>>> things we do not want to read?

    He flooded every posting I and several others made with his infamous "Bark >>> ! Bark ! Bark !" repeated a hundred times posting.  It got old in a
    hurry.  If you complained, he would just nymshift and do it again.

    Lynn

    Ahh, I see. But in the end you are here and he is not, so you won! =)

    I found an obit a couple of years ago that might be for Terry so he might have passed away.

    Lynn

    Well, outliving someone is a valid path to victory! ;) Jokes aside, fascinating times when you were so close to each other that you actually
    knew what to look for in the real world to get a clue to someones
    identity.
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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 15 20:26:45 2024
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    On Fri, 15 Nov 2024, Titus G wrote:

    On 14/11/24 14:51, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/13/2024 10:22 AM, D wrote:


    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to >>>>>>>>> point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not >>>>>>>>> be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>>>>> might like.

    This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out >>>>>>>> that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread >>>>>>>> and
    you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also >>>>>>>> does
    not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay >>>>>>>> community.
    --scott

    This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to >>>>>>> best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA >>>>>>> hat from the US, would this be an effectice way to protect
    oneself? =/

    What do you need to protect yourself against?

    pt

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    pt


    Attack me with their penises. What do you think?

    Get therapy.

    pt

    The right wing US billionaire, Peter Thiel is a happily married
    homosexual who used to keep a young male model boyfriend in luxury in a different state. Do you think he attacked JD Vance with his penis
    causing JD to reverse his political stance? Of course not.

    We don't know. Billionaires are very skilled at keeping things quiet. Just look at the Epstein guy and how many years he could keep on going before
    he was finally caught.

    How would he ever have become a billionaire if he and his friends spent
    their days attempting to attack fourteen year old unwanted Swedish boys seeking attention with their keyboards? He wouldn't have.

    Jesus! Is he attacking 14 year old swedes? This is getting into Epstein territory.

    You just can't trust the homos!

    (I know that proof by isolated example is a fallacy but D won't so
    therefore I will lull it, (him?), into a false sense of security so he
    won't hear his parent, a recent convert to the thrill of that enormous
    tra la la from the large bosomed stage singer in the frilly clothes,
    answer the door to the trouserless hordes.)

    Hah! I could see what you just wrote there, so this decreased the effect
    of your message! Another win for me! =D
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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 15 20:28:34 2024
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    On Fri, 15 Nov 2024, Titus G wrote:

    On 13/11/24 09:51, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)
    [ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]
    ran me and several others out of here
    back in 2000 or so with his antics.  I did not come back until 2010 ???
    when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
    your imaginary friends?
    I recall events differently.
    1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years was
    to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
    2. That he never calmed down.

    I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible and
    it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
    Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
    AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here and
    I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.

    This is actually incorrect. I have done the science, and Lynns political
    view are very reasonable, logical, rational and correct.

    I suspect there are many socialist homos here and that they have slowly
    gotten under your skin, slowly warping your reality.

    --8323328-841870007-1731662916=:7362--

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 15 20:30:57 2024


    On Fri, 15 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    In article <vh2en2$28j1c$1@dont-email.me>,
    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    Take him to the opera of course!
    --scott


    Jesus! Are they hiding in the opera? I have to tell my wife this, she
    never told me about it. I am also in the process of developing a patented anus-protector (It will be called the "Entry denied 2000") which will
    keep me somewhat safe, but I fear it is not enough!

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  • From Don@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Nov 16 02:26:51 2024
    Titus G wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)
    [ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha] ran me and several others out of here
    back in 2000 or so with his antics.  I did not come back until 2010 ???
    when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
    your imaginary friends?
    I recall events differently.
    1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years was
    to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
    2. That he never calmed down.

    I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible and
    it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
    Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
    AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here and
    I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.

    According to January 2023 WordsRated statistics, 51% of YA books are
    purchased by people between the ages of 30 and 44, and 78% of those
    buyers said that they intended to read the books themselves. In recent
    years, librarians report that more middle grade readers (traditionally
    eight- to 12-year-olds) are "reading up" to YA books.

    <https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-industry-news/article/93417-who-is-ya-for.html>

    Although the article above advances arguments about why aged adults read
    Young Adult (YA) fiction, in my case it's quite simple. Young adult
    fiction furnishes flights of fancy (eg escapism), to me.
    The closer a given protagonist resembles me, both outwardly and
    inwardly, the better. The more easily digestible the science is, the
    better.
    Bohmian theory is hard. As is playing the apostate to debunk
    Scientism invented by Science Fiction titan Francis "Shakespeare"
    Bacon. From my perspective, Hubbard's Scientology is but a dull
    reflection of Bacon's brilliant Scientism.
    Yet, despite my proclivity for YA, the fight continues. Robert
    Frederick offers world class research on Bacon. He recently released
    another free episode:

    The Gnostic Romeo and Juliet: Sex, Death, Violence and Vampires

    Romeo and Juliet is possibly the most famous and popular
    play of all time- it's filled with death, not love and
    there is barely any romance! I make a detailed scene by
    scene case that this play is hiding a horror movie.

    <https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/post/episode-17>

    Danke,

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God.
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Nov 16 02:53:53 2024
    On 11/14/2024 11:51 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <vh2en2$28j1c$1@dont-email.me>,
    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    Take him to the opera of course!

    Dress him in good looking clothes!

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Nov 16 02:55:39 2024
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/15/24 07:26, Don wrote:
    Titus G wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)
    [ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha] ran me and several others out of here >>> back in 2000 or so with his antics.ÿ I did not come back until 2010 ???
    when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
    your imaginary friends?
    I recall events differently.
    1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years was
    to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
    2. That he never calmed down.

    I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible and
    it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
    Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
    AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here and
    I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.

    According to January 2023 WordsRated statistics, 51% of YA books are
    purchased by people between the ages of 30 and 44, and 78% of those
    buyers said that they intended to read the books themselves. In recent
    years, librarians report that more middle grade readers (traditionally
    eight- to 12-year-olds) are "reading up" to YA books.

    <https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-industry-news/article/93417-who-is-ya-for.html>

    Although the article above advances arguments about why aged adults read Young Adult (YA) fiction, in my case it's quite simple. Young adult
    fiction furnishes flights of fancy (eg escapism), to me.
    The closer a given protagonist resembles me, both outwardly and inwardly, the better. The more easily digestible the science is, the
    better.
    Bohmian theory is hard. As is playing the apostate to debunk
    Scientism invented by Science Fiction titan Francis "Shakespeare"
    Bacon. From my perspective, Hubbard's Scientology is but a dull
    reflection of Bacon's brilliant Scientism.
    Yet, despite my proclivity for YA, the fight continues. Robert
    Frederick offers world class research on Bacon. He recently released
    another free episode:

    The Gnostic Romeo and Juliet: Sex, Death, Violence and Vampires

    Romeo and Juliet is possibly the most famous and popular
    play of all time- it's filled with death, not love and
    there is barely any romance! I make a detailed scene by
    scene case that this play is hiding a horror movie.

    <https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/post/episode-17>

    Danke,

    --
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    I would tend to agree with your evaluation of the Romeo and Juliet and perhaps with the aid of the Monk it becomes a Gothic
    tale. Modern enactment do not properly emphasis the horror of
    the situation. Two children seduced by Love(I hear it is a drug)
    die rather that live without each other.

    Also looking at the amount of "Awfully Quite in here"
    it ain't very quiet here and we should find better Subject headers.
    Just my possibly senile opinion.

    bliss

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Nov 16 03:06:47 2024
    On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:26:51 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

    Titus G wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)
    [ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha] ran me and several others out of =
    here
    back in 2000 or so with his antics.=C2=A0 I did not come back until =
    2010 ???
    when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.

    What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
    your imaginary friends?
    I recall events differently.
    1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years =
    was
    to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
    2. That he never calmed down.

    I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible =
    and
    it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
    Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
    AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here =
    and
    I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.

    According to January 2023 WordsRated statistics, 51% of YA books are
    purchased by people between the ages of 30 and 44, and 78% of those
    buyers said that they intended to read the books themselves. In =
    recent
    years, librarians report that more middle grade readers =
    (traditionally
    eight- to 12-year-olds) are "reading up" to YA books.

    <https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-indust= ry-news/article/93417-who-is-ya-for.html>

    That should be no surprise: they can see themselves as the
    protagonists in a few years. What 12-year-old girl /wouldn't/ want to
    be Katniss Everdeen? (That's a rhetorical question, BTW'; no need to
    nominate some candidates.)
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Nov 17 03:58:27 2024
    On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 07:55:39 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    <snippo>

    Also looking at the amount of "Awfully Quite in here"
    it ain't very quiet here and we should find better Subject headers.

    IIRC, that post appeared on a day when I got a total of seven (7) new
    messages. So it seemed apropos to me at the time.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Nov 17 14:06:23 2024
    On 17/11/2024 03:58, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 07:55:39 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    <snippo>

    Also looking at the amount of "Awfully Quite in here"
    it ain't very quiet here and we should find better Subject headers.

    IIRC, that post appeared on a day when I got a total of seven (7) new messages. So it seemed apropos to me at the time.

    At the time I made the OP I had received ~5 messages over a couple of
    days. I know Usenet is store-and-forward - I was maintaining a
    news-server back when we used C-news (I use Leafnode these days) - and
    it just struck me as odd.

    Of course, the next day there were ~70 messages, and traffic went back
    to its usual level, but the coincidence of the sudden drop and the
    election in the USA was simply too much not to comment on. :-)

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 18 21:08:47 2024
    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:41:43 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    I've been to Seattle twice, both times it was beautifully sunny.

    The second time was while I was taking training at Microsoft, in
    Redmond. At the start of the course, everyone was asked to stand
    up and introduce themselves. I did, and added 'Clearly, I've been
    lied to about the climate here. Everytime I've been here the weather
    has be great."

    There was silence, then someone yelled "Don't let that man leave!".

    I've heard the same story about a visitor to Vancouver which ought not
    to be surprising given Seattle's and Vancouver's proximity to each
    other. (Vancouver gets more rain and colder winter weather which is
    not surprising given it's both 120 miles N of Seattle and closer to
    the mountains)

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Nov 24 09:40:40 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
    and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.

    Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
    accent-wise could probably pass.

    But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would
    ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.

    (Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different
    European nationalities no further back than her great great
    grandparents)

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Nov 24 09:43:38 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier. :P

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Nov 24 09:47:09 2024
    On 15 Nov 2024 07:51:15 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    In article <vh2en2$28j1c$1@dont-email.me>,
    On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:

    Homos of course!

    What do you think they're going to do to you?

    Take him to the opera of course!
    --scott

    That should be sufficient punishment ...

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Nov 24 15:59:38 2024
    On 11/23/2024 2:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier. :P

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

    But its in CANADA!!! :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 25 00:30:03 2024
    In article <2km4kjtg1tc63oqg0o8efdh39vaf35p5t9@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier. :P

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

    Even scarier! Bonhomme is far bigger than a bear!
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 25 01:46:08 2024
    On 2024-11-23, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

    Alaska: Total area 1,723,337 kmý
    Quebec: Total area 1,542,056 kmý
    (Wikipedia)

    Yeah, thought so.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 25 05:03:01 2024
    In article <slrnvk6f1g.22uk.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

    On 2024-11-23, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

    Alaska: Total area 1,723,337 km²
    Quebec: Total area 1,542,056 km²
    (Wikipedia)

    Yeah, thought so.

    Western Australia: Total area 2,527,013 km^2

    Of course, Russia has administrative districts bigger than that (2 are
    part of Siberia).

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹¨«-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 25 08:08:28 2024


    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
    and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.

    Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but accent-wise could probably pass.

    But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would
    ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.

    (Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different European nationalities no further back than her great great
    grandparents)


    7!?! How is that even possible? ;)

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 25 08:09:10 2024


    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

    On 11/23/2024 2:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier. :P

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

    But its in CANADA!!! :P


    Racist!

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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 25 09:02:45 2024
    On 11/24/2024 4:08 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
    and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.

    Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
    accent-wise could probably pass.

    But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would
    ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.

    (Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different
    European nationalities no further back than her great great
    grandparents)


    7!?! How is that even possible? ;)

    Assuming no inbreeding, you have 16 great-great grandparents.
    Its perfectly possible for them to come from 7 different
    countries.

    pt

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 25 20:59:58 2024


    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/24/2024 4:08 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
    accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
    and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.

    Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
    accent-wise could probably pass.

    But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would
    ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.

    (Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different
    European nationalities no further back than her great great
    grandparents)


    7!?! How is that even possible? ;)

    Assuming no inbreeding, you have 16 great-great grandparents.
    Its perfectly possible for them to come from 7 different
    countries.

    pt


    Noooo.... in europe we care about the purity of our race!

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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 26 02:34:13 2024
    On 11/25/2024 4:59 AM, D wrote:


    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/24/2024 4:08 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
    might like.

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast) >>>>> and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on. >>>>
    Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
    accent-wise could probably pass.

    But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would >>>> ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.

    (Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different >>>> European nationalities no further back than her great great
    grandparents)


    7!?! How is that even possible? ;)

    Assuming no inbreeding, you have 16 great-great grandparents.
    Its perfectly possible for them to come from 7 different
    countries.

    pt


    Noooo.... in europe we care about the purity of our race!

    We American mutts rejoice in our hybrid vigor.

    pt

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 26 08:20:40 2024


    On Mon, 25 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/25/2024 4:59 AM, D wrote:


    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/24/2024 4:08 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>> might like.

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast) >>>>>> and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on. >>>>>
    Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
    accent-wise could probably pass.

    But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would >>>>> ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.

    (Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different >>>>> European nationalities no further back than her great great
    grandparents)


    7!?! How is that even possible? ;)

    Assuming no inbreeding, you have 16 great-great grandparents.
    Its perfectly possible for them to come from 7 different
    countries.

    pt


    Noooo.... in europe we care about the purity of our race!

    We American mutts rejoice in our hybrid vigor.

    pt


    Not with Trump. Our lord and king will purify the american race again!

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 26 09:14:59 2024
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/25/24 07:34, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/25/2024 4:59 AM, D wrote:


    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 11/24/2024 4:08 PM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
    point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>> might like.

    Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
    without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast) >>>>>> and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch >>>>>> on.

    Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
    accent-wise could probably pass.

    But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would >>>>> ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.

    (Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different >>>>> European nationalities no further back than her great great
    grandparents)


    7!?! How is that even possible? ;)

    Assuming no inbreeding, you have 16 great-great grandparents.
    Its perfectly possible for them to come from 7 different
    countries.

    pt


    Noooo.... in europe we care about the purity of our race!

    What "race" is pure? Maybe the Basque who kept to themselves?

    We American muttsÿ rejoice in our hybrid vigor.

    pt

    When we are lucky enough to have Hybrid Vigor we would
    rejoice in it.

    bliss - excessively pale due to parental units.

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 4 23:29:31 2024
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 20:59:38 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/23/2024 2:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier. :P

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

    But its in CANADA!!! :P

    At least for now...

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  • From D@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 5 00:10:06 2024


    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 20:59:38 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/23/2024 2:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.

    Alaska is prettier. :P

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

    But its in CANADA!!! :P

    At least for now...


    I heard that Trump invited Turdeau to make Canada a US state. I wonder if
    he will accept the offer?

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 11 18:33:57 2024
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:10:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
    by a bear...

    But its in CANADA!!! :P

    At least for now...


    I heard that Trump invited Turdeau to make Canada a US state. I wonder if
    he will accept the offer?

    Canadian newspapers assumed Trump was trolling him - which he probably
    was

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 12 03:49:37 2024
    On 12/10/2024 11:33 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:10:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten >>>>> by a bear...

    But its in CANADA!!! :P

    At least for now...


    I heard that Trump invited Turdeau to make Canada a US state. I wonder if
    he will accept the offer?

    Canadian newspapers assumed Trump was trolling him - which he probably
    was

    I think that is a dangerous assumption to make.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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