• Re: The Roads Must Roll -- In Japan, at least

    From a425couple@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Nov 11 13:55:01 2024
    On 11/10/24 09:58, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.

    https://www.newser.com/story/359125/japan-has-a-trucker-shortage-its-solution-is-novel.html


    Neat news item! Thanks for posting it.

    Japan Has a Trucker Shortage. Its Solution Is Novel

    Nation plans to build a giant 'conveyor belt road' connecting
    Tokyo and Osaka
    By John Johnson, Newser Staff

    If it works, expect other major cities around the world to
    copy the idea to some degree: Japan is building what amounts
    to a giant "conveyor belt road" from Tokyo to Osaka to ship
    cargo, reports the Guardian. Details:

    320 miles: The transport corridor would run 320 miles from
    the capital to Osaka aboveground, in the middle of a highway,
    per the AP. Meaning, cars would be traveling on either side
    of it. The corridor would ship containers the size of a
    standard closet, filled with goods. See this Japanese-language
    video.

    When: The first test runs are scheduled to start in 2027.
    If all goes well, the experiment would be expanded to other
    cities.

    Why: In a word, demographics. Japan has an "intense" shortage
    of truckers, per Business Insider, and that is only expected
    to worsen as the nation's working-age population gets older.
    This comes as online orders for everything under the sun
    continue to soar. "We need to be innovative with the way
    we approach roads," says Yuri Endo of the Ministry of Land,
    Infrastructure, Transport, and Tourism. The project should
    also cut carbon emissions, he adds.


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 04:43:55 2024
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.

    https://www.newser.com/story/359125/japan-has-a-trucker-shortage-its-solution-is-novel.html



    Japan Has a Trucker Shortage. Its Solution Is Novel

    Nation plans to build a giant 'conveyor belt road' connecting
    Tokyo and Osaka
    By John Johnson, Newser Staff

    It isn't just a shortage of truck drivers, Japan is undergoing a slow
    motion population implosion. The age demographic that would be having children is basically refusing to.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 05:32:05 2024
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.


    Here's the actual video, without the right-wing clickbait.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0v0zAxu5Wo


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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 07:26:28 2024
    On 11/11/2024 1:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.


    Here's the actual video, without the right-wing clickbait.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0v0zAxu5Wo


    Looking at the video, I'm not seeing a conveyor belt,
    but small driverless vehicles driving on a prepared
    pathway. It's not clear how they're powered, or where
    the 'smarts' is located.

    Still, a cool idea.

    pt

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  • From danny burstein@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 07:54:17 2024
    In <vgtp9k$15899$1@dont-email.me> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

    On 11/11/2024 1:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.


    Here's the actual video, without the right-wing clickbait.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0v0zAxu5Wo


    Looking at the video, I'm not seeing a conveyor belt,
    but small driverless vehicles driving on a prepared
    pathway. It's not clear how they're powered, or where
    the 'smarts' is located.

    Still, a cool idea.

    what I'd like to see... 1/4 height veh's using the lower, covered-by-the-roadways,
    semicircles at the bottoms of the Loncoln and Holland tunnels in NYC (and likely other places.) Many tunnels are circular metal frames with
    the roadways suspended about midheight, with the lower, "vacant", so
    to speak, space carrying positive pressure air from "outside" which
    then is pushed into the overheads and back to the great outdoors
    (using additional "pull" fans).

    With the _much_ cleaner mix of traffic these days (yes, there's more
    of it, but still much less annoying), there's likely spare room..



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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 09:22:11 2024
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/11/24 09:43, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    ˙˙ IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.

    https://www.newser.com/story/359125/japan-has-a-trucker-shortage-its-
    solution-is-novel.html



    ˙˙˙˙Japan Has a Trucker Shortage. Its Solution Is Novel

    ˙˙˙˙Nation plans to build a giant 'conveyor belt road' connecting
    ˙˙˙˙Tokyo and Osaka
    ˙˙˙˙By John Johnson,˙ Newser Staff

    It isn't just a shortage of truck drivers, Japan is undergoing a slow
    motion population implosion.˙ The age demographic that would be having children is basically refusing to.


    That is because the world they live in is very demanding of youth and workers. Which is why so many manga are set in "Other Worlds"
    The Japanese governments have not yet come up with a plan that makes
    having babies a easy thing especially for the career types. Despite
    legal equality a lot of the former regimes are still in power and
    intensely pro-male and wealth in there law making.

    bliss just my humble opinion.



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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 12 12:51:13 2024
    On 11/11/2024 5:22 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 11/11/24 09:43, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    ˙˙ IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.

    https://www.newser.com/story/359125/japan-has-a-trucker-shortage-its-
    solution-is-novel.html



    ˙˙˙˙Japan Has a Trucker Shortage. Its Solution Is Novel

    ˙˙˙˙Nation plans to build a giant 'conveyor belt road' connecting
    ˙˙˙˙Tokyo and Osaka
    ˙˙˙˙By John Johnson,˙ Newser Staff

    It isn't just a shortage of truck drivers, Japan is undergoing a slow
    motion population implosion.˙ The age demographic that would be having
    children is basically refusing to.


    ˙˙˙˙That is because the world they live in is very demanding of youth
    and workers. Which is why so many manga are set in "Other Worlds"
    The Japanese governments have not yet come up with a plan that makes
    having babies a easy thing especially for the career types. Despite
    legal equality a lot of the former regimes are still in power and
    intensely pro-male and wealth in there law making.

    The coming demographic collapse is one of the things I worry about.
    Wanting a smaller population is one thing, but we're headed there
    in a way that's going to be very disrupting.

    Up until the mid-20th century, children coming along was
    pretty automatically if a woman lived with a man. They cohabited
    out of love, and/or economic necessity. It was pretty
    difficult for a woman to avoid doing so.

    Now, being childless is a much more attainable option, and
    many women are making that choice.

    Our current society makes parenthood immensely costly to
    parents, and especially mothers, in both income and
    lifestyle restrictions.

    In the US at the moment, it's also made it very
    difficult for young people to find housing, jobs,
    and income sufficient to make starting a family
    a reasonable choice.

    Should something be done? I think so, others may differ.

    Clearly, coercing people to have kids is utterly
    unacceptable.

    But, if 'mother' was made a viable, respected, and
    attractive career choice, maybe things could be
    reversed - it would require massive subsidies,
    essentially paying people for life if they have
    sufficient offspring.

    Is there any SF dealing with this?

    pt





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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 04:10:01 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:51:13 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 5:22 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 11/11/24 09:43, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    =A0=A0 IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.

    =
    https://www.newser.com/story/359125/japan-has-a-trucker-shortage-its-=20
    solution-is-novel.html



    =A0=A0=A0=A0Japan Has a Trucker Shortage. Its Solution Is Novel

    =A0=A0=A0=A0Nation plans to build a giant 'conveyor belt road' = connecting
    =A0=A0=A0=A0Tokyo and Osaka
    =A0=A0=A0=A0By John Johnson,=A0 Newser Staff

    It isn't just a shortage of truck drivers, Japan is undergoing a slow=
    =20
    motion population implosion.=A0 The age demographic that would be = having=20
    children is basically refusing to.

    =20
    =A0=A0=A0=A0That is because the world they live in is very demanding =
    of youth=20
    and workers. Which is why so many manga are set in "Other Worlds"
    The Japanese governments have not yet come up with a plan that makes
    having babies a easy thing especially for the career types. Despite
    legal equality a lot of the former regimes are still in power and
    intensely pro-male and wealth in there law making.

    The coming demographic collapse is one of the things I worry about.
    Wanting a smaller population is one thing, but we're headed there
    in a way that's going to be very disrupting.

    Up until the mid-20th century, children coming along was
    pretty automatically if a woman lived with a man. They cohabited
    out of love, and/or economic necessity. It was pretty
    difficult for a woman to avoid doing so.

    Now, being childless is a much more attainable option, and
    many women are making that choice.

    Our current society makes parenthood immensely costly to
    parents, and especially mothers, in both income and
    lifestyle restrictions.

    In the US at the moment, it's also made it very
    difficult for young people to find housing, jobs,
    and income sufficient to make starting a family
    a reasonable choice.

    Should something be done? I think so, others may differ.

    What can and should be done is to take advantage of immigration and
    repopulate the country.

    We have /long since/ passed the point where our economy can be run
    without migrant labor. And I'm not talking about techies. I'm talking
    about /laborers/.

    You know, the ones Trump is going to deport to ... somewhere. He
    hasn't quite reached the point of finding out where he can send them.
    The Texas/Florida solution was entirely in-USA; it won't work outside
    the USA.

    Clearly, coercing people to have kids is utterly
    unacceptable.

    But, if 'mother' was made a viable, respected, and
    attractive career choice, maybe things could be
    reversed - it would require massive subsidies,
    essentially paying people for life if they have
    sufficient offspring.

    Sounds anti-MAGA to me.

    Not the "encouraging motherhood" part. The "paying gummint money"
    part.

    Is there any SF dealing with this?
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 13 05:52:19 2024
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/12/24 09:10, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:51:13 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 5:22 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 11/11/24 09:43, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    ˙˙ IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.

    https://www.newser.com/story/359125/japan-has-a-trucker-shortage-its- >>>>> solution-is-novel.html



    ˙˙˙˙Japan Has a Trucker Shortage. Its Solution Is Novel

    ˙˙˙˙Nation plans to build a giant 'conveyor belt road' connecting
    ˙˙˙˙Tokyo and Osaka
    ˙˙˙˙By John Johnson,˙ Newser Staff

    It isn't just a shortage of truck drivers, Japan is undergoing a slow
    motion population implosion.˙ The age demographic that would be having >>>> children is basically refusing to.


    ˙˙˙˙That is because the world they live in is very demanding of youth
    and workers. Which is why so many manga are set in "Other Worlds"
    The Japanese governments have not yet come up with a plan that makes
    having babies a easy thing especially for the career types. Despite
    legal equality a lot of the former regimes are still in power and
    intensely pro-male and wealth in there law making.

    The coming demographic collapse is one of the things I worry about.
    Wanting a smaller population is one thing, but we're headed there
    in a way that's going to be very disrupting.

    Up until the mid-20th century, children coming along was
    pretty automatically if a woman lived with a man. They cohabited
    out of love, and/or economic necessity. It was pretty
    difficult for a woman to avoid doing so.

    Now, being childless is a much more attainable option, and
    many women are making that choice.

    Our current society makes parenthood immensely costly to
    parents, and especially mothers, in both income and
    lifestyle restrictions.

    In the US at the moment, it's also made it very
    difficult for young people to find housing, jobs,
    and income sufficient to make starting a family
    a reasonable choice.

    Should something be done? I think so, others may differ.

    What can and should be done is to take advantage of immigration and repopulate the country.

    We have /long since/ passed the point where our economy can be run
    without migrant labor. And I'm not talking about techies. I'm talking
    about /laborers/.

    You know, the ones Trump is going to deport to ... somewhere. He
    hasn't quite reached the point of finding out where he can send them.
    The Texas/Florida solution was entirely in-USA; it won't work outside
    the USA.

    Back to the authoritarian regimes from which they fled.
    And I agree we need those workers and need them to get by on vey
    low wages so they need all sorts of support from the government
    with housing, healthcare and education.


    Clearly, coercing people to have kids is utterly
    unacceptable.

    Not to the Government of Texas or Idaho or a few other
    states where women must have children and/or die in the attempt.


    But, if 'mother' was made a viable, respected, and
    attractive career choice, maybe things could be
    reversed - it would require massive subsidies,
    essentially paying people for life if they have
    sufficient offspring.

    Sounds anti-MAGA to me.

    Not the "encouraging motherhood" part. The "paying gummint money"
    part.

    Is there any SF dealing with this?

    Oh yes but it has been mentioned here earlier. Riders of
    the Purple Wage by Harlan Ellison.

    There is a problem in people's minds about paying women
    to have healthy children when they have no problem with paying
    our military which is basically about killing people lifetime
    pensions and the politicians who basically decide whom to kill
    are well compensated as well.

    Pro-Life is not.

    bliss


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  • From Christian Weisgerber@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 02:06:43 2024
    On 2024-11-12, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Now, being childless is a much more attainable option, and
    many women are making that choice.

    Our current society makes parenthood immensely costly to
    parents, and especially mothers, in both income and
    lifestyle restrictions.

    The BBC recently had a good article (as far as such media articles
    go) on "social infertility" and also broaches the topic of involuntary
    male childlessness:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp81ynn7r4mo

    --
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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 14 03:15:09 2024
    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:52:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    On 11/12/24 09:10, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:51:13 -0500, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    =20
    On 11/11/2024 5:22 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 11/11/24 09:43, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/10/2024 9:58 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    Noted by Sarah Hoyt with the blurb:
    =A0=A0 IT'S HEINLEIN'S WORLD. WE JUST LIVE IN IT.

    =
    https://www.newser.com/story/359125/japan-has-a-trucker-shortage-its-
    solution-is-novel.html



    =A0=A0=A0=A0Japan Has a Trucker Shortage. Its Solution Is Novel

    =A0=A0=A0=A0Nation plans to build a giant 'conveyor belt road' = connecting
    =A0=A0=A0=A0Tokyo and Osaka
    =A0=A0=A0=A0By John Johnson,=A0 Newser Staff

    It isn't just a shortage of truck drivers, Japan is undergoing a =
    slow
    motion population implosion.=A0 The age demographic that would be = having
    children is basically refusing to.


    =A0=A0=A0=A0That is because the world they live in is very =
    demanding of youth
    and workers. Which is why so many manga are set in "Other Worlds"
    The Japanese governments have not yet come up with a plan that makes
    having babies a easy thing especially for the career types. Despite
    legal equality a lot of the former regimes are still in power and
    intensely pro-male and wealth in there law making.

    The coming demographic collapse is one of the things I worry about.
    Wanting a smaller population is one thing, but we're headed there
    in a way that's going to be very disrupting.

    Up until the mid-20th century, children coming along was
    pretty automatically if a woman lived with a man. They cohabited
    out of love, and/or economic necessity. It was pretty
    difficult for a woman to avoid doing so.

    Now, being childless is a much more attainable option, and
    many women are making that choice.

    Our current society makes parenthood immensely costly to
    parents, and especially mothers, in both income and
    lifestyle restrictions.

    In the US at the moment, it's also made it very
    difficult for young people to find housing, jobs,
    and income sufficient to make starting a family
    a reasonable choice.

    Should something be done? I think so, others may differ.
    =20
    What can and should be done is to take advantage of immigration and
    repopulate the country.
    =20
    We have /long since/ passed the point where our economy can be run
    without migrant labor. And I'm not talking about techies. I'm talking
    about /laborers/.
    =20
    You know, the ones Trump is going to deport to ... somewhere. He
    hasn't quite reached the point of finding out where he can send them.
    The Texas/Florida solution was entirely in-USA; it won't work outside
    the USA.
    =09
    Back to the authoritarian regimes from which they fled.
    And I agree we need those workers and need them to get by on vey
    low wages so they need all sorts of support from the government
    with housing, healthcare and education.

    That's the point: those authoritarian regimes have to agree to accept
    them. And why would they do that?
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Dec 7 21:33:47 2024
    On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:52:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    Up until the mid-20th century, children coming along was
    pretty automatically if a woman lived with a man. They cohabited
    out of love, and/or economic necessity. It was pretty
    difficult for a woman to avoid doing so.

    Perhaps but I knew my wife and I had dodged a bullet that we wouldn't
    have dodged had we been our parents' generation. As in the joke that
    got me whacked by milady: "I got an A+ on my blood test and you got a
    Zero minus...."

    She got the shots both before and after each of our 3 kids - we
    definitely had no plans for a 4th but she got the shots anyhow since
    accidents happen and when the result is as dire as Rh disease is you
    don't mess about.

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