• Nebula finalists 2010

    From James Nicoll@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 19 01:42:16 2024

    2010! Travellers learn how to pronounce "Eyjafjallajokull", Britain's
    Liberal Democrats secure their position in history by forming a
    coalition with the Conservatives, and the International Space Station
    sets a record for the longest continuous human occupation of space.

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville


    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    The Women of Nell Gwynne's by Kage Baker
    Act One by Nancy Kress
    Arkfall by Carolyn Ives Gilman
    Shambling Towards Hiroshima by James Morrow
    Sublimation Angels by Jason Sanford
    The God Engines by John Scalzi

    The Kress, the Gilman, and the Morrow.


    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Sinner, Baker, Fabulist, Priest; Red Mask, Black Mask, Gentleman,
    Beast by Eugie Foster
    A Memory of Wind by Rachel Swirsky
    Divining Light by Ted Kosmatka
    I Needs Must Part, the Policeman Said by Richard Bowes
    The Gambler by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Vinegar Peace, or, The Wrong-Way Used-Adult Orphanage by Michael Bishop

    The Foster, the Swirsky, and because god is dead, the Bacigalupi.


    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?

    Spar by Kij Johnson
    Bridesicle by Will McIntosh
    Going Deep by James Patrick Kelly
    Hooves and the Hovel of Abdel Jameela by Saladin Ahmed
    I Remember the Future by Michael A. Burstein
    Non-Zero Probabilities by N. K. Jemisin

    Just the Johnson and the Jemisin.


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  • From Chris Buckley@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 19 02:04:54 2024
    On 2024-11-18, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    2010! Travellers learn how to pronounce "Eyjafjallajokull", Britain's
    Liberal Democrats secure their position in history by forming a
    coalition with the Conservatives, and the International Space Station
    sets a record for the longest continuous human occupation of space.

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville

    I read the Mieville (quite good) and the Bacigalupi, which is a
    Favorite! Different strokes for different folks (I regard it as
    excellent magic realism and James regards it as bad hard sf - both
    are at least somewhat true, IMO).

    Nothing shorter once again.
    Chris

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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 19 02:11:00 2024
    In article <lq13cmFou0iU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-18, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    2010! Travellers learn how to pronounce "Eyjafjallajokull", Britain's
    Liberal Democrats secure their position in history by forming a
    coalition with the Conservatives, and the International Space Station
    sets a record for the longest continuous human occupation of space.

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville

    I read the Mieville (quite good) and the Bacigalupi, which is a
    Favorite! Different strokes for different folks (I regard it as
    excellent magic realism and James regards it as bad hard sf - both
    are at least somewhat true, IMO).

    Nothing shorter once again.
    Chris

    Bad, racist, and sexist SF.

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 19 03:40:51 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:11:00 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <lq13cmFou0iU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-18, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    2010! Travellers learn how to pronounce "Eyjafjallajokull", Britain's
    Liberal Democrats secure their position in history by forming a=20
    coalition with the Conservatives, and the International Space Station=
    =20
    sets a record for the longest continuous human occupation of space.=20

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher=20
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville

    I read the Mieville (quite good) and the Bacigalupi, which is a
    Favorite! Different strokes for different folks (I regard it as
    excellent magic realism and James regards it as bad hard sf - both
    are at least somewhat true, IMO).

    Nothing shorter once again.
    Chris

    Bad, racist, and sexist SF.=20

    I think the only thing I have read in the "magic realism" category is
    /Terra Nostra/, which I found amazing.

    But then I also liked /Gravity's Rainbow/.
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    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 19 04:58:01 2024
    In article <vhfjo7$apo$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    2010! Travellers learn how to pronounce "Eyjafjallajokull", Britain's
    Liberal Democrats secure their position in history by forming a
    coalition with the Conservatives, and the International Space Station
    sets a record for the longest continuous human occupation of space.


    <SNIP of all finalists>

    The best I can tell, this is a complete wipeout (which will repeat for
    future lists).

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    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Nov 19 16:28:53 2024
    On 19/11/24 03:42, James Nicoll wrote:

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville


    Both the Bacigalupi and the Mieville novels were a solid four stars for me. Bacigalupi's "Ship Breaker" was less than mediocre and I just discovered
    that I have "The Water Knife" so began reading it today. So far it is a
    dark but a brilliant corrupt dystopia of a future of dust storms and
    water shortage where Nevada controls the water from the Colorado and
    Arizona is turning into a deserted desert like Texas already is. The high-impact chapters from a variety of perspectives are short making it difficult to put down. His "Pump Six and Other Stories was a mixed bag
    but four stars for "The People of Sand and Slag".
    Mieville's imagination and writing skills are just brilliant. "The City
    & The City" is a great example of how he can make a ridiculous idea seem plausible and seriously entertaining.

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 20 06:18:54 2024
    Titus G wrote:
    On 19/11/24 03:42, James Nicoll wrote:

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville


    Both the Bacigalupi and the Mieville novels were a solid four stars for me. Bacigalupi's "Ship Breaker" was less than mediocre and I just discovered
    that I have "The Water Knife" so began reading it today. So far it is a
    dark but a brilliant corrupt dystopia of a future of dust storms and
    water shortage where Nevada controls the water from the Colorado and
    Arizona is turning into a deserted desert like Texas already is.


    I'm not likely to read the book any time soon so, how does Texas turn
    into a desert?

    William Hyde





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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Nov 20 07:24:25 2024
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/19/24 11:18, William Hyde wrote:
    Titus G wrote:
    On 19/11/24 03:42, James Nicoll wrote:

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville


    Both the Bacigalupi and the Mieville novels were a solid four stars
    for me.
    Bacigalupi's "Ship Breaker" was less than mediocre and I just discovered
    that I have "The Water Knife" so began reading it today. So far it is a
    dark but a brilliant corrupt dystopia of a future of dust storms and
    water shortage where Nevada controls the water from the Colorado and
    Arizona is turning into a deserted desert like Texas already is.


    I'm not likely to read the book any time soon so, how does Texas turn
    into a desert?

    William Hyde

    Texas becomes a desert through ongoing floods and droughts. Plus restrictive medical policies drove a lot of people out of the state
    before it became a desert. Basically the Climate Denialists won and the
    Global Warming went on and on with less and less predictable weather.

    When the ground beneath your feet is washed away how long will
    you stay?

    bliss

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 21 02:49:27 2024
    On 11/19/2024 11:18 AM, William Hyde wrote:
    Titus G wrote:
    On 19/11/24 03:42, James Nicoll wrote:

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville


    Both the Bacigalupi and the Mieville novels were a solid four stars
    for me.
    Bacigalupi's "Ship Breaker" was less than mediocre and I just discovered
    that I have "The Water Knife" so began reading it today. So far it is a
    dark but a brilliant corrupt dystopia of a future of dust storms and
    water shortage where Nevada controls the water from the Colorado and
    Arizona is turning into a deserted desert like Texas already is.


    I'm not likely to read the book any time soon so, how does Texas turn
    into a desert?

    Much of Texas already is a desert.

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 21 07:39:08 2024
    On 11/20/2024 9:49 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/19/2024 11:18 AM, William Hyde wrote:
    Titus G wrote:
    On 19/11/24 03:42, James Nicoll wrote:

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville


    Both the Bacigalupi and the Mieville novels were a solid four stars
    for me.
    Bacigalupi's "Ship Breaker" was less than mediocre and I just discovered >>> that I have "The Water Knife" so began reading it today. So far it is a
    dark but a brilliant corrupt dystopia of a future of dust storms and
    water shortage where Nevada controls the water from the Colorado and
    Arizona is turning into a deserted desert like Texas already is.


    I'm not likely to read the book any time soon so, how does Texas turn
    into a desert?

    Much of Texas already is a desert.

    Yup. Everything west of I-35.

    The Houston metropolitan area gets 60 to 65 inches of rain a year. Or
    in the case of Hurricane Harvey, 65 inches of rain in 4 days.

    My parents live in Lavaca County (Port Lavaca), 110 miles from my house
    in Fort Bend County outside Houston. They get 10 to 15 inches of rain a
    year.

    Lynn


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  • From Jay E. Morris@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 21 12:14:44 2024
    On 11/20/2024 2:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/20/2024 9:49 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/19/2024 11:18 AM, William Hyde wrote:
    Titus G wrote:
    On 19/11/24 03:42, James Nicoll wrote:

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville


    Both the Bacigalupi and the Mieville novels were a solid four stars
    for me.
    Bacigalupi's "Ship Breaker" was less than mediocre and I just
    discovered
    that I have "The Water Knife" so began reading it today. So far it is a >>>> dark but a brilliant corrupt dystopia of a future of dust storms and
    water shortage where Nevada controls the water from the Colorado and
    Arizona is turning into a deserted desert like Texas already is.


    I'm not likely to read the book any time soon so, how does Texas turn
    into a desert?

    Much of Texas already is a desert.

    Yup.ÿ Everything west of I-35.

    The Houston metropolitan area gets 60 to 65 inches of rain a year.ÿ Or
    in the case of Hurricane Harvey, 65 inches of rain in 4 days.

    My parents live in Lavaca County (Port Lavaca), 110 miles from my house
    in Fort Bend County outside Houston.ÿ They get 10 to 15 inches of rain a year.

    Lynn


    Admittedly I haven't been to Fort Worth much or in a long time but I
    don't remember it being desert.

    According to this Nations Online Project map I'd say maybe 20% is desert.

    https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/USA/texas_map.htm

    Scroll down a bit.

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Nov 21 16:03:51 2024
    On 20/11/24 08:18, William Hyde wrote:
    Titus G wrote:
    On 19/11/24 03:42, James Nicoll wrote:

    Which 2010 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
    Boneshaker by Cherie Priest
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer
    Flesh and Fire by Laura Anne Gilman
    The City & The City by China Mieville
    The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak

    I read the Bacigalupi (which I hated and which kept its publisher
    afloat for years), the Priest and the Mieville


    Both the Bacigalupi and the Mieville novels were a solid four stars
    for me.
    Bacigalupi's "Ship Breaker" was less than mediocre and I just discovered
    that I have "The Water Knife" so began reading it today. So far it is a
    dark but a brilliant corrupt dystopia of a future of dust storms and
    water shortage where Nevada controls the water from the Colorado and
    Arizona is turning into a deserted desert like Texas already is.


    I'm not likely to read the book any time soon so, how does Texas turn
    into a desert?


    At the commencement of the book far in the future, Texas is already a
    desert with its refugees in Arizona where the Nevada 'Water Knife' is
    operating to 'cut' Arizona's meagre water supplies to divert them to
    Nevada which already basically controls the Colorado River with drones,
    private militia, black helicopters and lawyers, subject to Federal
    oversight, The rich live in arcologies or have fled to California or
    Canada prior to borders being more tightly controlled than the current US/Mexico border. The summary provided in the reply by "bliss" is not specifically stated but I think it is accurate though I don't recall the restrictive medical policies claim. There is no scientific
    explanation, nor proselytising about Climate Change. The places are
    real. I used the atlas to see the path of the Colorado and find features
    like Lake Mead which the book stated was seriously low back in the 1920's.

    The following is perhaps the only relevant quotation to your question.
    "Thanks to the centrifugal pump, places like Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma,
    and Texas had thrown on the garments of fertility for a century,
    pretending to greenery and growth as they mined glacial water from ten-thousand-year-old aquifers. They’d played dress-up-in-green and
    pretended it could last forever. They’d pumped up the Ice Age and spread
    it across the land, and for a while they’d turned their dry lands lush. Cotton, wheat, corn, soybeans—vast green acreages, all because someone
    could get a pump going. Those places had dreamed of being different from
    what they were. They’d had aspirations. And then the water ran out, and
    they fell back, realizing too late that their prosperity was borrowed,
    and there would be no more coming."

    It may be because of the contrast to my recent reading, but this was one
    of the most realistically violent stories I have read. Mainly action
    adventure and there were some silly instances where mutilated people
    performed impossible physical movement, e.g. being shot in the kneecap
    but walking with a limp the next day with no treatment. The Science
    Fiction aspect was also fascinating in an age of arcologies where
    architectural firms are biotectural firms.
    I enjoyed "The Water Knife" so much that I now plan to reread "the
    Windup Girl" which I have mainly forgotten.

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 22 04:06:35 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 19:14:44 -0600, "Jay E. Morris"
    <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:

    <is Texas a desert?>

    Admittedly I haven't been to Fort Worth much or in a long time but I=20
    don't remember it being desert.

    According to this Nations Online Project map I'd say maybe 20% is =
    desert.

    https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/USA/texas_map.htm

    Scroll down a bit.

    I clicked on it.

    I was greeted with all sorts of ... stuff.

    And more stuff I had to ignore when I tried to leave.

    Well, one thing can be said for it: it's persistant.

    Hopefully, my Full Virus Scan tomorrow won't find any surprises.

    The land-form list seems to feature a lot of dry parts, some actually containing areas with "desert" in their name.

    But, IIRC, East Texas may be soggier than the rest of the State.
    Something about "piney woods thinning out as you move West onto the
    plains".

    Of course, if we define, say, any County with less that a given
    population density as "desert" (using an older sense where the focus
    was on a lack of people living there and not on sand and heat), there
    would (I suppose) be a /lot/ of deserts.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 22 06:43:33 2024
    Titus G wrote:
    On 20/11/24 08:18, William Hyde wrote:


    The following is perhaps the only relevant quotation to your question. "Thanks to the centrifugal pump, places like Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma,
    and Texas had thrown on the garments of fertility for a century,
    pretending to greenery and growth as they mined glacial water from ten-thousand-year-old aquifers.

    This certainly is a problem.

    But most of Texas gets a fair amount of rain. As I recall Deaf Smith
    county, well away from the coast, gets 20 inches of rain per year.
    That's not much less than Toronto, and the farmlands around here are
    very rich - or were until we paved them over.

    There seems to be this illusion, perhaps from movies, that Texas is a
    dry western state. But much of it is a wet southern state. One local geographer told me that about ten percent of the state qualifies as
    being in the west.

    When I first arrived in Texas, some local students were making
    submissions to Penthouse letters which began:

    "As I was driving through the desert 65 miles northwest of Houston ..."

    I was told that one was published.


    They’d played dress-up-in-green and
    pretended it could last forever. They’d pumped up the Ice Age and spread it across the land, and for a while they’d turned their dry lands lush. Cotton, wheat, corn, soybeans—vast green acreages, all because someone could get a pump going. Those places had dreamed of being different from what they were. They’d had aspirations. And then the water ran out, and they fell back, realizing too late that their prosperity was borrowed,
    and there would be no more coming."

    Something similar happened on a smaller scale in the Texas hill country,
    which went from being one of the richest parts of the state to one of
    the poorest in a generation as cattle destroyed the local grasses. But
    it wasn't owing to a water shortage.


    William Hyde



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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Nov 22 17:11:00 2024
    On 11/21/2024 9:20 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <djpujjdnqd49tccbhl16gerrlcm17ib167@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 19:14:44 -0600, "Jay E. Morris"
    <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:

    <is Texas a desert?>

    Admittedly I haven't been to Fort Worth much or in a long time but I
    don't remember it being desert.

    According to this Nations Online Project map I'd say maybe 20% is desert. >>>
    https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/USA/texas_map.htm

    Scroll down a bit.

    I clicked on it.

    I was greeted with all sorts of ... stuff.

    And more stuff I had to ignore when I tried to leave.

    Well, one thing can be said for it: it's persistant.

    Hopefully, my Full Virus Scan tomorrow won't find any surprises.

    The land-form list seems to feature a lot of dry parts, some actually
    containing areas with "desert" in their name.

    But, IIRC, East Texas may be soggier than the rest of the State.
    Something about "piney woods thinning out as you move West onto the
    plains".

    Of course, if we define, say, any County with less that a given
    population density as "desert" (using an older sense where the focus
    was on a lack of people living there and not on sand and heat), there
    would (I suppose) be a /lot/ of deserts.
    --

    By that standard, Alaska is a desert, but Baked Alaska is a dessert!

    Antarctica is mostly desert. Serious, its based on average annual precipitation.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Nov 23 04:03:32 2024
    On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:11:00 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/21/2024 9:20 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <djpujjdnqd49tccbhl16gerrlcm17ib167@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 19:14:44 -0600, "Jay E. Morris"
    <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:

    <is Texas a desert?>

    Admittedly I haven't been to Fort Worth much or in a long time but I
    don't remember it being desert.

    According to this Nations Online Project map I'd say maybe 20% is = desert.

    https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/USA/texas_map.htm

    Scroll down a bit.

    I clicked on it.

    I was greeted with all sorts of ... stuff.

    And more stuff I had to ignore when I tried to leave.

    Well, one thing can be said for it: it's persistant.

    Hopefully, my Full Virus Scan tomorrow won't find any surprises.

    The land-form list seems to feature a lot of dry parts, some actually
    containing areas with "desert" in their name.

    But, IIRC, East Texas may be soggier than the rest of the State.
    Something about "piney woods thinning out as you move West onto the
    plains".

    Of course, if we define, say, any County with less that a given
    population density as "desert" (using an older sense where the focus
    was on a lack of people living there and not on sand and heat), there
    would (I suppose) be a /lot/ of deserts.
    --=20
    =20
    By that standard, Alaska is a desert, but Baked Alaska is a dessert!

    Antarctica is mostly desert. Serious, its based on average annual=20 >precipitation.

    Another fine definition. But would it work for "desert" areas in, say,
    England? Or are the Moors populated now?

    Complicating matters, of course, is the effect of Man. Thus, Eastern
    Washington is a desert -- but, thanks to the Grand Coulee dam on the
    Columbia generating electricity and providing irrigation, it grows a
    lot of crops. This gives us an area that generally votes Republican,
    but which depends for its economy on a massive expenditure of Federal
    funds.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Nov 24 12:14:41 2024
    On 20/11/24 08:18, William Hyde wrote:
    Titus G wrote:

    snip Paolo Bacigalupi.

    "The Water Knife" so began reading it today. So far it is a
    dark but a brilliant corrupt dystopia of a future of dust storms and
    water shortage where Nevada controls the water from the Colorado and
    Arizona is turning into a deserted desert like Texas already is.


    I'm not likely to read the book any time soon so, how does Texas turn
    into a desert?


    snip
    Not Texas but Spain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/nov/23/spanish-villages-people-forced-to-buy-back-own-drinking-water-drought-flood

    This relevant story, prompted by the floods in Valencia, from The
    Guardian today, discusses the issue of water shortage in Spain as well
    as the problems of private ownership of water and whether access to
    water should depend purely on the power of money, to be owned by the
    worst of the cut-throat capitalists, as dramatised in The Water Knife.
    An interesting real life example is the multi-billionaire Resnicks'
    ownership of California's largest underground water storage facility and control of most of California's water. (Duckduckgo is your friend.)
    There is also a documentary named "Pistachio Wars" with reviews online.

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  • From Default User@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Nov 24 14:47:21 2024
    Paul S Person wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 19:14:44 -0600, "Jay E. Morris"
    <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:

    <is Texas a desert?>

    Admittedly I haven't been to Fort Worth much or in a long time but
    I don't remember it being desert.

    According to this Nations Online Project map I'd say maybe 20% is
    desert.

    https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/USA/texas_map.htm

    Scroll down a bit.

    I clicked on it.

    I was greeted with all sorts of ... stuff.

    And more stuff I had to ignore when I tried to leave.

    Well, one thing can be said for it: it's persistant.

    It looks much better if your browser support Reader View.


    Brian

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