• Anthropogenic Climate Change Denialism in SF

    From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Dec 7 16:58:38 2024
    I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
    2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
    that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
    world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
    was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
    the 2020 Presidential election as well.

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  • From Don@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Dec 8 02:23:01 2024
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
    2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
    that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
    world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
    was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
    the 2020 Presidential election as well.

    THE HIDDEN TRUTH by Schantz is a Young Adult set in an alternate reality
    where Gore became President. In this reality the White House was hit on
    9-11.

    President Lieberman got Congress to pass the Preserving
    our Planet's Future Act as a monument to the late President
    Gore. A key part of the plan to decrease greenhouse gas
    emissions and rein in global warming involved a carbon tax
    that opponents, like Dad, called the "Gore Tax." Global
    temperatures had stopped rising and in fact levelled off in
    the years since the plan passed. A strong consensus of
    scientists all agreed that the President's action had
    averted global disaster, yet some extremists denied there
    was a connection between the law and the climate. It was all
    just a coincidence and natural variation, they claimed. Dad
    followed climate-denier websites like wattsupwiththat.com
    where skeptics argued that because carbon dioxide levels had
    continued to rise while temperatures levelled off, the Gore
    Tax was ineffective. But any number of climate scientists
    had models proving just how much worse greenhouse gases and
    temperatures both would have been without the law. I'd tried
    discussing the scientific consensus and the importance of
    saving the planet from climate change with Dad, but he was
    just too stubborn to listen to me.


    ... several chapters later ...


    "Do you recall the Whiskey Rebellion?"

    I'd read about that in Paul Johnson's A History of the
    American People. "Sure. Frontier folk in Pennsylvania
    couldn't get their corn to market because the expense of
    carting it in bulk across the mountains was too high. So,
    they distilled it to whiskey which made it more portable.
    But then, the federal government started taxing whiskey
    and they rebelled. Washington sent the Army in to restore
    control."

    "Yeah, that's the gist of it," Uncle Rob agreed. "That's
    what gave me the idea. Up and down the Appalachians
    there's natural gas wells. Not so many in these hills,
    but more up into Kentucky and West Virginia. Part of the
    Gore Tax included a heap of new regulations on how to
    transport natural gas. The regulators carefully crafted
    the rules in collusion with Tolliver Corporation and some
    of the other large energy companies who were big campaign
    contributors. They engineered the regulations to make it
    very difficult for small independents to get their natural
    gas transported to market at any reasonable expense. So
    most of their wells are idle and their owners are losing
    their shirts. It's the same problem as faced those
    frontiersmen with all the bulky corn they couldn't
    transport. How did they solve it?"

    "By distilling it down to a more compact form," I answered.
    "You mean chilling and liquefying the natural gas?"

    "Sharp kid," Uncle Rob said to Dad. "But, not quite there
    yet," he said to me. "Liquefied natural gas, chilled and
    compressed to make it more compact is a standard technique.
    But, the energy companies and their lobbyists thought of
    that. They forbid shipping liquefied natural gas by tanker
    truck except for very short distances. And somehow, while
    it is perfectly safe and acceptable to truck gas from a
    rail depot or a distributor to a customer, when the gas is
    being moved the other direction from a gas field to a rail
    depot or to a distributor or directly to an end user, it
    suddenly becomes too dangerous to transport on a truck.
    The upshot of it is, if you don't have a rail spur to your
    gas field, you pretty much can't ship your gas in compact
    liquefied form which means it just isn't economical to ship."

    "So how do you ship it?" I asked.

    "You don't," Uncle Rob grinned. "That's the beauty of it. If
    you can't bring your natural gas to your customer, you bring
    your customer to your natural gas." I was confused. Uncle Rob
    continued. "Your Mom and Dad engineered a mobile system in a
    cargo container for compressing, liquefying, and distilling
    air. It burns natural gas to drive the compressor and chiller.
    We truck our rig on up to a natural gas field, and we tap
    into what would otherwise be an idle well for a few hours. We
    burn the natural gas and collect the liquefied compressed air
    into tanker trucks: about four tanker trucks of liquid nitrogen
    for every tanker truck of liquid oxygen. We have a small tank
    that collects the residue of argon and heavier gasses. Our
    production method isn't as efficient as big fixed plants, but
    our energy costs are way lower. The small independents are
    happy to get a market for natural gas they otherwise couldn't
    sell, and we're able to get a steep discount. The rules for
    trucking compressed liquefied oxygen and nitrogen are still
    much less stringent than for liquefied natural gas.

    Danke,

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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Dec 8 05:48:51 2024
    In article <robertaw-ED1870.21583806122024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
    2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
    that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one - >world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential >administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
    was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
    the 2020 Presidential election as well.

    Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found
    surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
    Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
    by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
    relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the
    better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
    (and I have not read it).

    Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
    loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
    into their fiction.

    (There was an odd assertion in an L. Neil Smith about Antarctica
    being ice-free 15,000 years ago but it didn't really figure into
    the plot)



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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Dec 8 07:32:42 2024
    On 12/7/2024 12:48 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <robertaw-ED1870.21583806122024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
    2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
    that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
    world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential
    administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
    was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
    the 2020 Presidential election as well.

    Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
    Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
    by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
    relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the
    better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
    (and I have not read it).

    Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
    loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
    into their fiction.

    (There was an odd assertion in an L. Neil Smith about Antarctica
    being ice-free 15,000 years ago but it didn't really figure into
    the plot)

    James, you have a great memory.

    Lynn


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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Dec 8 16:59:41 2024
    In article <vj25aj$4nd$1@reader2.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <robertaw-ED1870.21583806122024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in >2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
    that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one - >world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential >administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
    was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
    the 2020 Presidential election as well.

    Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
    Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
    by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
    relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the
    better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
    (and I have not read it).


    It was my impression that _Fallen Angels_ was the result of a successful attempt to significantly reduce CO2 emissions. If that is so, I wouldn't consider it to be ACC denialism at all.

    Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
    loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
    into their fiction.

    OTH, there were stories, even back in the 1970s where the sea level had
    risen over 100 feet (e.g., "Manhattan Reef" appears in "Starships in
    Whose Future?" - Analog, August 1978).

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Dec 9 01:46:47 2024
    In article <robertaw-A7CB55.21594107122024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    In article <vj25aj$4nd$1@reader2.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <robertaw-ED1870.21583806122024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
    2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
    that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
    world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential >> >administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
    was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
    the 2020 Presidential election as well.

    Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found
    surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
    Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
    by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
    relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the
    better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
    (and I have not read it).


    It was my impression that _Fallen Angels_ was the result of a successful >attempt to significantly reduce CO2 emissions. If that is so, I wouldn't >consider it to be ACC denialism at all.

    I'd count it as the idea is that those darn treehuggers are wrong to
    fear our friend [strike] Tetraethyllead [/strike] CO2 but if you're
    right, then the supply of CCD is even shorter.

    Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly
    undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
    loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
    into their fiction.

    OTH, there were stories, even back in the 1970s where the sea level had >risen over 100 feet (e.g., "Manhattan Reef" appears in "Starships in
    Whose Future?" - Analog, August 1978).

    Davy, from the 1960s. A Fond Farewell to Dying, late 1970s.
    --
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  • From quadibloc@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 11 07:52:32 2024
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 5:59:41 +0000, Robert Woodward wrote:

    It was my impression that _Fallen Angels_ was the result of a successful attempt to significantly reduce CO2 emissions. If that is so, I wouldn't consider it to be ACC denialism at all.

    Instead of denying the physics of the greenhouse effect, it denied that
    there was any necessity to act to prevent global warming - because of
    more complex factors, such as natural climate cycles, there was really
    no problem, but these ideologically-driven fanatics kept going despite
    their actions causing an ice age.

    So in the debate about cutting emissions in response to the threat of
    global warming, it was clear whose side he was on, and it was not the
    side of the angels - or the side of Greta Thunberg.

    John Savard

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