• Re: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IOKAnFRydW1w4oCZcyDigJhHb2xkZW4gRG9tZeKAmSBNaXNzaWxl?

    From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 27 04:53:35 2025
    Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IOKAnFRydW1w4oCZcyDigJhHb2xkZW4gRG9tZeKAmSBNaXNzaWxl?=
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    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
    own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.

    The recent election is an example.

    I have a co-worker who has been very enthusiastic about Trump's wanting to
    do various things, and every time I pointed out that these things would
    be bad for the economy he said "Yes, but we have to own the libs!"

    This is added to Trump's own notion of the world being a zero sum game,
    and if that if the other guy does worse it's just as good as if you do
    better. (This is not a traditional conservative concept and it's something that Reagan blamed the left for doing.) I am not sure how prevalent this
    idea is among his followers but it does seem to be becoming more popular
    which I find both disturbing and puzzling.
    --scott

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 30 06:19:39 2025
    Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IOKAnFRydW1w4oCZcyDigJhHb2xkZW4gRG9tZeKAmSBNaXNzaWxl?=
    =?UTF-8?Q?_Shield_Expected_To_Cost_=24500_Billion=E2=80=9D?=

    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    Would that be Hood Donald of Manhattan

    The most corrupt administration yet to be seen.

    I don't think so, because the standards of Jackson and Harding are pretty
    hard to live up to in terms of corruption. But certainly this has been
    the most openly corrupt organization, wearing corruption on it's sleeve.
    And people are cheering about it, which is a sign that there is something
    far more fundamental wrong.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jun 3 00:00:29 2025
    Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IOKAnFRydW1w4oCZcyDigJhHb2xkZW4gRG9tZeKAmSBNaXNzaWxl?=
    =?UTF-8?Q?_Shield_Expected_To_Cost_=24500_Billion=E2=80=9D?=

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sigh. Your mantra of taxing the rich grows tiring.

    Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the rich
    will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.

    Issue one is that taxing the rich reduces a lot of resentment. I make about three times as much as my sister does, and we both pay about the same amount
    in taxes. Not the same percentage, the same amount. My uncle plays about three times what I do, and he doesn't pay anything at all in taxes (although
    he does pay as much as I pay in taxes for tax attorneys fees, I suspect.)
    And we are none of us even close to the 2% mark. I am okay with paying taxes as long as others are paying taxes too.

    Also note that "taxing the rich" is not the same thing as "taxing the wealthy."

    So I think a lot of what the "tax the rich" crowd is about is having fair
    taxes so that everybody pays their share. This has less to do with adjusting tax brackets than with removing deductions.

    If you actually look at the tax code, it's many, many volumes. Pick up any page and there's something alarming on it. "This applies only to purchase
    of an ocean-going ship between 130 and 135 feet in length in the month of February." Someone did something for their senator or congressman and got
    that put in. Those things need to be out in the open so they can go away.

    The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the middle >class to death. And the uniparty is rightfully scared to do so.

    When you do that, the middle class gives up and stops working and then everything goes wrong. That's the issue, that you have to look at the
    economic consequences of behaviour caused by taxes and not just the
    taxes themselves. There have been cases where reducing taxes made for
    more money being collected. There have of course been cases where the
    opposite was the case too.

    So, the financial apocalypse of the USA approaches as that is the
    default option.

    The problem is that some of us look at Europe and see countries where the government services are much better and the taxes on the middle class are
    not much higher, and the budget is much closer to being balanced, and we wonder why we can't be like that.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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